North Korea Defection
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Interesting - just like something out of a movie. A North Korean guard killed his superiors[^], then defected to South Korea. Technically speaking, the two countries are still at war, and "all's fair..." as the saying goes. But the guy admits to committing what would be classified as murder for a civilian in a civilized country. Not wanting to start a political discussion, let's keep it civil - I'm curious about world opinion, and we have a great cross-section here. Do you think South Korea should give him back to stand trial, or risk elevating the "war" by giving him asylum? If I was making the decision, I honestly don't know what I'd do.:confused: So, no discussion here, just vote: 1. Send him back. 3. I dunno, I'm confused, too. 5. Protect him at all cost.
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Give him a medal.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Interesting - just like something out of a movie. A North Korean guard killed his superiors[^], then defected to South Korea. Technically speaking, the two countries are still at war, and "all's fair..." as the saying goes. But the guy admits to committing what would be classified as murder for a civilian in a civilized country. Not wanting to start a political discussion, let's keep it civil - I'm curious about world opinion, and we have a great cross-section here. Do you think South Korea should give him back to stand trial, or risk elevating the "war" by giving him asylum? If I was making the decision, I honestly don't know what I'd do.:confused: So, no discussion here, just vote: 1. Send him back. 3. I dunno, I'm confused, too. 5. Protect him at all cost.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Interesting - just like something out of a movie. A North Korean guard killed his superiors[^], then defected to South Korea. Technically speaking, the two countries are still at war, and "all's fair..." as the saying goes. But the guy admits to committing what would be classified as murder for a civilian in a civilized country. Not wanting to start a political discussion, let's keep it civil - I'm curious about world opinion, and we have a great cross-section here. Do you think South Korea should give him back to stand trial, or risk elevating the "war" by giving him asylum? If I was making the decision, I honestly don't know what I'd do.:confused: So, no discussion here, just vote: 1. Send him back. 3. I dunno, I'm confused, too. 5. Protect him at all cost.
Will Rogers never met me.
Prison in South Korea is probably better than life in North Korea.
Nihil obstat
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Interesting - just like something out of a movie. A North Korean guard killed his superiors[^], then defected to South Korea. Technically speaking, the two countries are still at war, and "all's fair..." as the saying goes. But the guy admits to committing what would be classified as murder for a civilian in a civilized country. Not wanting to start a political discussion, let's keep it civil - I'm curious about world opinion, and we have a great cross-section here. Do you think South Korea should give him back to stand trial, or risk elevating the "war" by giving him asylum? If I was making the decision, I honestly don't know what I'd do.:confused: So, no discussion here, just vote: 1. Send him back. 3. I dunno, I'm confused, too. 5. Protect him at all cost.
Will Rogers never met me.
i would ask myself "what would the North Koreans do if the situation were reversed"? The answer is then obvious: pin a medal on him and declare him a national hero. Honor him with parades and free stuff.
"People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer "The failure mode of 'clever' is 'asshole'" John Scalzi "Only buzzards feed on their friends" Patrick Dorinson
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Interesting - just like something out of a movie. A North Korean guard killed his superiors[^], then defected to South Korea. Technically speaking, the two countries are still at war, and "all's fair..." as the saying goes. But the guy admits to committing what would be classified as murder for a civilian in a civilized country. Not wanting to start a political discussion, let's keep it civil - I'm curious about world opinion, and we have a great cross-section here. Do you think South Korea should give him back to stand trial, or risk elevating the "war" by giving him asylum? If I was making the decision, I honestly don't know what I'd do.:confused: So, no discussion here, just vote: 1. Send him back. 3. I dunno, I'm confused, too. 5. Protect him at all cost.
Will Rogers never met me.
Would you give him back to a country whose leader looks like a bloated pig and an ugly sonofabitch to boot?
"I do not have to forgive my enemies, I have had them all shot." — Ramón Maria Narváez (1800-68). "I don't need to shoot my enemies, I don't have any." - Me (2012).
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Interesting - just like something out of a movie. A North Korean guard killed his superiors[^], then defected to South Korea. Technically speaking, the two countries are still at war, and "all's fair..." as the saying goes. But the guy admits to committing what would be classified as murder for a civilian in a civilized country. Not wanting to start a political discussion, let's keep it civil - I'm curious about world opinion, and we have a great cross-section here. Do you think South Korea should give him back to stand trial, or risk elevating the "war" by giving him asylum? If I was making the decision, I honestly don't know what I'd do.:confused: So, no discussion here, just vote: 1. Send him back. 3. I dunno, I'm confused, too. 5. Protect him at all cost.
Will Rogers never met me.
I'll go with number three: "I dunno, I'm confused, too." Too many "loose ends here:" 1. The defector may be a plant, the killings of his officers a staged, phony event. No one in S. Korea has direct evidence as to what happened (?). 2. The defector may have been a S. Korean spy who killed the officers because he was warned they were on to him (?). 3. The defector may have been approached by one, or both, of the officers with a plan for them all to defect, but it was a subterfuge to test his loyalty; at some point he realized that, and murders them before they can send him, and his family, to the gulags (?). 4. The defector had reported plans by his two officers to defect, and they intercepted them before they could reach the N. Korean secret police: somehow he was lucky enough to shoot them before they shot him (?). Too many possibilities, too little information. Sources of information suspect: information present not verifiable. best, Bill
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Interesting - just like something out of a movie. A North Korean guard killed his superiors[^], then defected to South Korea. Technically speaking, the two countries are still at war, and "all's fair..." as the saying goes. But the guy admits to committing what would be classified as murder for a civilian in a civilized country. Not wanting to start a political discussion, let's keep it civil - I'm curious about world opinion, and we have a great cross-section here. Do you think South Korea should give him back to stand trial, or risk elevating the "war" by giving him asylum? If I was making the decision, I honestly don't know what I'd do.:confused: So, no discussion here, just vote: 1. Send him back. 3. I dunno, I'm confused, too. 5. Protect him at all cost.
Will Rogers never met me.
North Korea has been opressing its citizens (both physically and mentally) ever since Korea was divided in two. South Korea has always welcomed refugees from North Korea and continues to strive to unite families cut apart by North Korea's dictatorial regime. The situation is similar to orders of magnitude worse than what existed in pre-1989 Germany. Hence, my vote of 5. /ravi
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Prison in South Korea is probably better than life in North Korea.
Nihil obstat
Absolutely. /ravi
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Give him a medal.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
:thumbsup: /ravi
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i would ask myself "what would the North Koreans do if the situation were reversed"? The answer is then obvious: pin a medal on him and declare him a national hero. Honor him with parades and free stuff.
"People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer "The failure mode of 'clever' is 'asshole'" John Scalzi "Only buzzards feed on their friends" Patrick Dorinson
Except, nobody defects to North Korea. /ravi
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I'll go with number three: "I dunno, I'm confused, too." Too many "loose ends here:" 1. The defector may be a plant, the killings of his officers a staged, phony event. No one in S. Korea has direct evidence as to what happened (?). 2. The defector may have been a S. Korean spy who killed the officers because he was warned they were on to him (?). 3. The defector may have been approached by one, or both, of the officers with a plan for them all to defect, but it was a subterfuge to test his loyalty; at some point he realized that, and murders them before they can send him, and his family, to the gulags (?). 4. The defector had reported plans by his two officers to defect, and they intercepted them before they could reach the N. Korean secret police: somehow he was lucky enough to shoot them before they shot him (?). Too many possibilities, too little information. Sources of information suspect: information present not verifiable. best, Bill
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Bill, I'm sure you remember East German refugees defecting to West Germany? The situation in North Korea is orders of magnitude worse. Systematic starvation and brainwashing. The North Korean population is cut off from the rest of the world. Information is restricted from flowing into the country - most North Koreans are unaware of the moon landing, basic human rights and the ability to purchase as much food as you need. :( /ravi
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Bill, I'm sure you remember East German refugees defecting to West Germany? The situation in North Korea is orders of magnitude worse. Systematic starvation and brainwashing. The North Korean population is cut off from the rest of the world. Information is restricted from flowing into the country - most North Koreans are unaware of the moon landing, basic human rights and the ability to purchase as much food as you need. :( /ravi
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Hi Ravi, Yes, I am quite aware of the facts you cite, but I cannot see what the point was in your stating them, in this context, as a response to this particular message. Did you infer, from my vote for option three, that I would advocate sending this defector back to North Korea: if so, I ask you to examine that, because: to me, that inference does not logically follow from my choice of option three :) It is also a fact that both North and South Korea are engaged in significant espionage against each other using human agents, and every other means possible. And, of course, the US maintains intense surveillance of N. Korea, as well as probably collaborating with (in ways we'll never know) S. Korean intelligence services. best, Bill
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Except, nobody defects to North Korea. /ravi
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Didn't Leonard's girlfriend in Big Bang Theory do just that? :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Didn't Leonard's girlfriend in Big Bang Theory do just that? :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
Big Bang Theory
Haven't seen the show. :( (I don't watch much TV). /ravi
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mark merrens wrote:
Big Bang Theory
Haven't seen the show. :( (I don't watch much TV). /ravi
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Big Bang Theory is considered mandatory for geeks.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Interesting - just like something out of a movie. A North Korean guard killed his superiors[^], then defected to South Korea. Technically speaking, the two countries are still at war, and "all's fair..." as the saying goes. But the guy admits to committing what would be classified as murder for a civilian in a civilized country. Not wanting to start a political discussion, let's keep it civil - I'm curious about world opinion, and we have a great cross-section here. Do you think South Korea should give him back to stand trial, or risk elevating the "war" by giving him asylum? If I was making the decision, I honestly don't know what I'd do.:confused: So, no discussion here, just vote: 1. Send him back. 3. I dunno, I'm confused, too. 5. Protect him at all cost.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Interesting - just like something out of a movie. A North Korean guard killed his superiors[^], then defected to South Korea. Technically speaking, the two countries are still at war, and "all's fair..." as the saying goes. But the guy admits to committing what would be classified as murder for a civilian in a civilized country. Not wanting to start a political discussion, let's keep it civil - I'm curious about world opinion, and we have a great cross-section here. Do you think South Korea should give him back to stand trial, or risk elevating the "war" by giving him asylum? If I was making the decision, I honestly don't know what I'd do.:confused: So, no discussion here, just vote: 1. Send him back. 3. I dunno, I'm confused, too. 5. Protect him at all cost.
Will Rogers never met me.
How does this not fall under posting rule number 4?
Posting rules for the lounge:
4. No politics ... This is a community for software development. There are plenty of other sites that are far more appropriate for these discussions.
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How does this not fall under posting rule number 4?
Posting rules for the lounge:
4. No politics ... This is a community for software development. There are plenty of other sites that are far more appropriate for these discussions.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesActually, it was a test directed specifically at programmers. One of the most important skills a programmer must develop is the ability to read and understand requirements accurately, then faithfully implement them. The instructions were: "... no discussion here, just vote:" By my count, 6 people passed, at most. It's possible that some of the 6 who voted also posted a comment, thus failing the test, but hopefully a few clicked a number and moved on, as required. How'd you do? ;)
Will Rogers never met me.
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Actually, it was a test directed specifically at programmers. One of the most important skills a programmer must develop is the ability to read and understand requirements accurately, then faithfully implement them. The instructions were: "... no discussion here, just vote:" By my count, 6 people passed, at most. It's possible that some of the 6 who voted also posted a comment, thus failing the test, but hopefully a few clicked a number and moved on, as required. How'd you do? ;)
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
How'd you do?
Really good. I saw through all your bullshit and recognized you were posting political commentary in the lounge. :doh: Shame on you. You should know better.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
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Roger Wright wrote:
How'd you do?
Really good. I saw through all your bullshit and recognized you were posting political commentary in the lounge. :doh: Shame on you. You should know better.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesI do know better, and I specifically requested no discussion, which was largely ignored. I offered no commentary whatsoever, merely pointed out that I would be hard pressed to make a decision. I was curious to learn whether the general population would be troubled by indecision, or find it easy to make a judgement call. Most of those who ignored my request and posted a discussion, I found, were quite able to reach a decision, based on preconceived notions, yet of those who followed instructions and voted, the result was balanced, with the average falling in the center. Quite interesting, and the more so because so many found it impossible to read and follow directions, including yourself. Have you always been a consummate ass, or was there a time when you were a reasonable human being? Do you ever miss the simple things in life, like respect and credibility? ;P Honestly, Jimmie, I have long read and enjoyed your commentary, but you've really over-reached on this one. Resorting to insult and crude language is beneath you - you're a better man than that.
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