Article Competition
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That's a very strong accusation you've made there. If there is any manipulation, Chris and co will pick up on this and this will be sorted out.
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OK, votes may be unfair for us, or may have been taken from us.
“Milletler birleşince refaha, ayrılınca da fakru zarurete düçar olurlar” Nuri Demirağ, 1954
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All competitions in this month, has been manipulated. :omg: These results are fake, there is a gap between a very successful articles.
“Milletler birleşince refaha, ayrılınca da fakru zarurete düçar olurlar” Nuri Demirağ, 1954
You mean to say Robert Kanasz participates in best C# article and best overall article and despite there being really magnificent articles on really interesting and hard stuff he's winning both genres with chewed-out articles on design patterns? And besides that these two genres have over 100 more votes than all the others? Yeah that is suspicious... His first article on design patterns won best C# and best overall article too, while his second article didn't even participate in the competition (or it would have won, I am sure). I know this because I came in second that month. I was surprised, just like now because there were really very good articles, like Sacha Barbers one about DSLs (I really expected that one to win)... Why did so many people vote for design patterns which are written about almost daily since the 90's over more advanced and interesting stuff you don't read so much about? Beats me. So why does this Robert win in two genres with these design pattern articles while his second didn't even make it in the competition? I'm not saying Roberts articles are bad, but article of the month? Come on! The number two wrote a friggin web-search add-in for Visual Studio, now that's winners material! Still he's winning with about ten votes more than the number two. Is it cheating? I don't know. Is it suspicious? Maybe... Is it unfair to the people who write about DSLs, add-ins for VS, pretty tabcontrols (compliments to you!) and cool IL injection. Definitely! I read Roberts article (it's not bad) and I wish him luck, but he didn't get my vote :)
It's an OO world.
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You mean to say Robert Kanasz participates in best C# article and best overall article and despite there being really magnificent articles on really interesting and hard stuff he's winning both genres with chewed-out articles on design patterns? And besides that these two genres have over 100 more votes than all the others? Yeah that is suspicious... His first article on design patterns won best C# and best overall article too, while his second article didn't even participate in the competition (or it would have won, I am sure). I know this because I came in second that month. I was surprised, just like now because there were really very good articles, like Sacha Barbers one about DSLs (I really expected that one to win)... Why did so many people vote for design patterns which are written about almost daily since the 90's over more advanced and interesting stuff you don't read so much about? Beats me. So why does this Robert win in two genres with these design pattern articles while his second didn't even make it in the competition? I'm not saying Roberts articles are bad, but article of the month? Come on! The number two wrote a friggin web-search add-in for Visual Studio, now that's winners material! Still he's winning with about ten votes more than the number two. Is it cheating? I don't know. Is it suspicious? Maybe... Is it unfair to the people who write about DSLs, add-ins for VS, pretty tabcontrols (compliments to you!) and cool IL injection. Definitely! I read Roberts article (it's not bad) and I wish him luck, but he didn't get my vote :)
It's an OO world.
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public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
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All competitions in this month, has been manipulated. :omg: These results are fake, there is a gap between a very successful articles.
“Milletler birleşince refaha, ayrılınca da fakru zarurete düçar olurlar” Nuri Demirağ, 1954
I get surprised with the votes I receive on my articles... but people usually vote on articles that are easy to understand, beautiful or ready to use on their own projects. If it is something very interesting, but hard, only those who have good programming knowledge will vote. So, to me, having many votes on Design Pattern articles is not that strange... students learn they must follow design patterns and those are even a requisite for job interviews, but some presentations are hard to understand. If the presentation is easy to understand then, well, it is going to get votes by those who want to learn them.
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All competitions in this month, has been manipulated. :omg: These results are fake, there is a gap between a very successful articles.
“Milletler birleşince refaha, ayrılınca da fakru zarurete düçar olurlar” Nuri Demirağ, 1954
You will have to say why you think this to have any hope of being taken seriously, i.e. specifically which articles' votes were manipulated etc.
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All competitions in this month, has been manipulated. :omg: These results are fake, there is a gap between a very successful articles.
“Milletler birleşince refaha, ayrılınca da fakru zarurete düçar olurlar” Nuri Demirağ, 1954
I think users thinks that long articles have to be the best. If you write a long article, no matter what it is about, you can win... I really want to know that, what do we have to consider while we are voting an article? Written codes/program or content of the article? I think the work (written codes/program) is more important than the article content. The article is only a method to publish the work. But I can see that users don't care about the work, they care only about the article content or maybe the length...
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I did not say otherwise :) I know Robert's articles(they are wonderful, I'm also voted 5.)
“Milletler birleşince refaha, ayrılınca da fakru zarurete düçar olurlar” Nuri Demirağ, 1954
Who then, if not the winner, do you think cheats...?
It's an OO world.
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public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
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I get surprised with the votes I receive on my articles... but people usually vote on articles that are easy to understand, beautiful or ready to use on their own projects. If it is something very interesting, but hard, only those who have good programming knowledge will vote. So, to me, having many votes on Design Pattern articles is not that strange... students learn they must follow design patterns and those are even a requisite for job interviews, but some presentations are hard to understand. If the presentation is easy to understand then, well, it is going to get votes by those who want to learn them.
I'm afraid you are quite right. But design patterns...? There isn't a more chewed out subject in all of programming. But there's a good reason for that too... I'm just wondering what makes Roberts article so much better than all other articles on design patterns that did not make article of the month. And why did his structural patterns article not even enter the competition if they are so popular? For the record, I am not accusing Robert of cheating, he's written some great articles. I just don't think design patterns should win any competition anymore :)
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
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I think users thinks that long articles have to be the best. If you write a long article, no matter what it is about, you can win... I really want to know that, what do we have to consider while we are voting an article? Written codes/program or content of the article? I think the work (written codes/program) is more important than the article content. The article is only a method to publish the work. But I can see that users don't care about the work, they care only about the article content or maybe the length...
You are probably right and wrong at the same time... An article is no more than a piece of html data. To get vote this piece of data has to impress the reader. To impress you have different strategies: Be very technical (will impress only those who understand) Be funny (probably same as above ;-) ) Provide lengthy explanations Make analogies Provide drawings, screenshots etc... If you mix everything you'll probably get a lot of votes with whatever subject.
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Who then, if not the winner, do you think cheats...?
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}I think you have to be careful in case you are seen to be throwing unfounded accusations around. When the competitions end, the CP team check the winning entries to ensure the voting isn't suspicious. They have pulled winning entries before just because of it.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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I'm afraid you are quite right. But design patterns...? There isn't a more chewed out subject in all of programming. But there's a good reason for that too... I'm just wondering what makes Roberts article so much better than all other articles on design patterns that did not make article of the month. And why did his structural patterns article not even enter the competition if they are so popular? For the record, I am not accusing Robert of cheating, he's written some great articles. I just don't think design patterns should win any competition anymore :)
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}Why should they be disqualified? If an article meets the entry criteria, it should not be excluded just because of the topic. There's nothing forcing you to vote for it.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
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I think users thinks that long articles have to be the best. If you write a long article, no matter what it is about, you can win... I really want to know that, what do we have to consider while we are voting an article? Written codes/program or content of the article? I think the work (written codes/program) is more important than the article content. The article is only a method to publish the work. But I can see that users don't care about the work, they care only about the article content or maybe the length...
I have simple criteria for voting. Did I learn something?
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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I think you have to be careful in case you are seen to be throwing unfounded accusations around. When the competitions end, the CP team check the winning entries to ensure the voting isn't suspicious. They have pulled winning entries before just because of it.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
Yeah, I figured. I'm not accusing Robert of anything, but if someone is cheating (as the OP suggested) then I guess the cheater would be the winner. And let's be honest, Robert is winning each category with ease with what seems like a simple and chewed out topic (design patterns). If anything is suspicious that would be it. Robert wrote some great articles and I don't doubt his knowledge and skill, I even voted for him in the past. Just not this time. And I'm not even saying his article is not good, because it is. It's just not winners material in my opinion :)
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Why should they be disqualified? If an article meets the entry criteria, it should not be excluded just because of the topic. There's nothing forcing you to vote for it.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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He shouldn't be disqualified. In fact, I think his second article on design patterns should have entered the competition as well. Obviously this is what the public wants to read. It's frustrating for the people who wrote great and original articles no one ever wrote about though. I can imagine design patterns wasn't that hard for Robert to write about, but the VS plugin was a pretty though challenge for the number two.
It's an OO world.
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Why should they be disqualified? If an article meets the entry criteria, it should not be excluded just because of the topic. There's nothing forcing you to vote for it.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Why should they be disqualified? If an article meets the entry criteria, it should not be excluded just because of the topic. There's nothing forcing you to vote for it.
Far be it for me to have an opinion or to come in here and clarify a bit of English for you, as you are a Pom. But I think you'll find Naerling is not saying that Design Pattern articles are not allowed to win or even be in the competition. He is saying that since the topic, is so old and has been flogged so thoroughly hard, that the dead horse has up and moved away in embarassment of still being noticed. Due to this and the fact every man and his dog has done and re-done Design Patterns, that there is no way in the world a whole bunch of people have just turned up and looked through the available articles and voted in such an overwhelmingly fashion so heavily in this Robert's favour. Now, I'm not programming and haven't even gone over to look at the articles or know who this Robert is, but the feeling from this thread is, he has a lot of relatives who frequent this site voting him through to the winners circle all the time. Or he is cheating by some how getting the votes in, through bogus account maybe.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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I have simple criteria for voting. Did I learn something?
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Did I learn something?
I don't think you have Pete.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Why should they be disqualified? If an article meets the entry criteria, it should not be excluded just because of the topic. There's nothing forcing you to vote for it.
Far be it for me to have an opinion or to come in here and clarify a bit of English for you, as you are a Pom. But I think you'll find Naerling is not saying that Design Pattern articles are not allowed to win or even be in the competition. He is saying that since the topic, is so old and has been flogged so thoroughly hard, that the dead horse has up and moved away in embarassment of still being noticed. Due to this and the fact every man and his dog has done and re-done Design Patterns, that there is no way in the world a whole bunch of people have just turned up and looked through the available articles and voted in such an overwhelmingly fashion so heavily in this Robert's favour. Now, I'm not programming and haven't even gone over to look at the articles or know who this Robert is, but the feeling from this thread is, he has a lot of relatives who frequent this site voting him through to the winners circle all the time. Or he is cheating by some how getting the votes in, through bogus account maybe.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Or people think it's a good and easy to follow explanation of patterns. It's true that there are many articles on patterns, but most of them are crap. Seeing a well written one is unusual.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Did I learn something?
I don't think you have Pete.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
I learned you were a foul mouthed Ocker. ;P
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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I learned you were a foul mouthed Ocker. ;P
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I learned you were a foul mouthed Ocker. ;-P
Wrong. There's no such beast.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I learned you were a foul mouthed Ocker. ;-P
Wrong. There's no such beast.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Don't be so modest Mick.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
