Article Competition
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I'm afraid you are quite right. But design patterns...? There isn't a more chewed out subject in all of programming. But there's a good reason for that too... I'm just wondering what makes Roberts article so much better than all other articles on design patterns that did not make article of the month. And why did his structural patterns article not even enter the competition if they are so popular? For the record, I am not accusing Robert of cheating, he's written some great articles. I just don't think design patterns should win any competition anymore :)
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}Why should they be disqualified? If an article meets the entry criteria, it should not be excluded just because of the topic. There's nothing forcing you to vote for it.
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I think users thinks that long articles have to be the best. If you write a long article, no matter what it is about, you can win... I really want to know that, what do we have to consider while we are voting an article? Written codes/program or content of the article? I think the work (written codes/program) is more important than the article content. The article is only a method to publish the work. But I can see that users don't care about the work, they care only about the article content or maybe the length...
I have simple criteria for voting. Did I learn something?
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I think you have to be careful in case you are seen to be throwing unfounded accusations around. When the competitions end, the CP team check the winning entries to ensure the voting isn't suspicious. They have pulled winning entries before just because of it.
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Yeah, I figured. I'm not accusing Robert of anything, but if someone is cheating (as the OP suggested) then I guess the cheater would be the winner. And let's be honest, Robert is winning each category with ease with what seems like a simple and chewed out topic (design patterns). If anything is suspicious that would be it. Robert wrote some great articles and I don't doubt his knowledge and skill, I even voted for him in the past. Just not this time. And I'm not even saying his article is not good, because it is. It's just not winners material in my opinion :)
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Why should they be disqualified? If an article meets the entry criteria, it should not be excluded just because of the topic. There's nothing forcing you to vote for it.
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He shouldn't be disqualified. In fact, I think his second article on design patterns should have entered the competition as well. Obviously this is what the public wants to read. It's frustrating for the people who wrote great and original articles no one ever wrote about though. I can imagine design patterns wasn't that hard for Robert to write about, but the VS plugin was a pretty though challenge for the number two.
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Why should they be disqualified? If an article meets the entry criteria, it should not be excluded just because of the topic. There's nothing forcing you to vote for it.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Why should they be disqualified? If an article meets the entry criteria, it should not be excluded just because of the topic. There's nothing forcing you to vote for it.
Far be it for me to have an opinion or to come in here and clarify a bit of English for you, as you are a Pom. But I think you'll find Naerling is not saying that Design Pattern articles are not allowed to win or even be in the competition. He is saying that since the topic, is so old and has been flogged so thoroughly hard, that the dead horse has up and moved away in embarassment of still being noticed. Due to this and the fact every man and his dog has done and re-done Design Patterns, that there is no way in the world a whole bunch of people have just turned up and looked through the available articles and voted in such an overwhelmingly fashion so heavily in this Robert's favour. Now, I'm not programming and haven't even gone over to look at the articles or know who this Robert is, but the feeling from this thread is, he has a lot of relatives who frequent this site voting him through to the winners circle all the time. Or he is cheating by some how getting the votes in, through bogus account maybe.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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I have simple criteria for voting. Did I learn something?
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Did I learn something?
I don't think you have Pete.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Why should they be disqualified? If an article meets the entry criteria, it should not be excluded just because of the topic. There's nothing forcing you to vote for it.
Far be it for me to have an opinion or to come in here and clarify a bit of English for you, as you are a Pom. But I think you'll find Naerling is not saying that Design Pattern articles are not allowed to win or even be in the competition. He is saying that since the topic, is so old and has been flogged so thoroughly hard, that the dead horse has up and moved away in embarassment of still being noticed. Due to this and the fact every man and his dog has done and re-done Design Patterns, that there is no way in the world a whole bunch of people have just turned up and looked through the available articles and voted in such an overwhelmingly fashion so heavily in this Robert's favour. Now, I'm not programming and haven't even gone over to look at the articles or know who this Robert is, but the feeling from this thread is, he has a lot of relatives who frequent this site voting him through to the winners circle all the time. Or he is cheating by some how getting the votes in, through bogus account maybe.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Or people think it's a good and easy to follow explanation of patterns. It's true that there are many articles on patterns, but most of them are crap. Seeing a well written one is unusual.
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"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Did I learn something?
I don't think you have Pete.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
I learned you were a foul mouthed Ocker. ;P
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I learned you were a foul mouthed Ocker. ;P
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"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I learned you were a foul mouthed Ocker. ;-P
Wrong. There's no such beast.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I learned you were a foul mouthed Ocker. ;-P
Wrong. There's no such beast.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Don't be so modest Mick.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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I have simple criteria for voting. Did I learn something?
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Why should they be disqualified? If an article meets the entry criteria, it should not be excluded just because of the topic. There's nothing forcing you to vote for it.
Far be it for me to have an opinion or to come in here and clarify a bit of English for you, as you are a Pom. But I think you'll find Naerling is not saying that Design Pattern articles are not allowed to win or even be in the competition. He is saying that since the topic, is so old and has been flogged so thoroughly hard, that the dead horse has up and moved away in embarassment of still being noticed. Due to this and the fact every man and his dog has done and re-done Design Patterns, that there is no way in the world a whole bunch of people have just turned up and looked through the available articles and voted in such an overwhelmingly fashion so heavily in this Robert's favour. Now, I'm not programming and haven't even gone over to look at the articles or know who this Robert is, but the feeling from this thread is, he has a lot of relatives who frequent this site voting him through to the winners circle all the time. Or he is cheating by some how getting the votes in, through bogus account maybe.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
He is saying that since the topic, is so old and has been flogged so thoroughly hard, that the dead horse has up and moved away in embarassment of still being noticed.
Very well said! :laugh:
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I'm afraid you are quite right. But design patterns...? There isn't a more chewed out subject in all of programming. But there's a good reason for that too... I'm just wondering what makes Roberts article so much better than all other articles on design patterns that did not make article of the month. And why did his structural patterns article not even enter the competition if they are so popular? For the record, I am not accusing Robert of cheating, he's written some great articles. I just don't think design patterns should win any competition anymore :)
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}I must say that I know a lot of programmers (with years of experience) that don't know design patterns... they know the name, and that's all. So, if those people are trying to find design pattern tutorials, if new programmers are finding design pattern tutorials... well, those may gain the votes. Also why the second article did not enter the competition? Well, each month is different. It maybe did not stay in the first page enough time to receive the first votes to stay there. Maybe the design patterns presented are not so interesting (personally I think that was the case), maybe there were simple many good articles on the same month (I get impressed on how some months don't have good articles and then many good articles appear almost at the same time).
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You are probably right and wrong at the same time... An article is no more than a piece of html data. To get vote this piece of data has to impress the reader. To impress you have different strategies: Be very technical (will impress only those who understand) Be funny (probably same as above ;-) ) Provide lengthy explanations Make analogies Provide drawings, screenshots etc... If you mix everything you'll probably get a lot of votes with whatever subject.
I think that the results should not be shown until the end of the voting, Because so many people just give the vote at the top of the result table.
“Milletler birleşince refaha, ayrılınca da fakru zarurete düçar olurlar” Nuri Demirağ, 1954
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I think that the results should not be shown until the end of the voting, Because so many people just give the vote at the top of the result table.
“Milletler birleşince refaha, ayrılınca da fakru zarurete düçar olurlar” Nuri Demirağ, 1954
I agree with you!
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I agree with you!
I think this should be done. Let's open the discussion of this topic at that time. :confused:
“Milletler birleşince refaha, ayrılınca da fakru zarurete düçar olurlar” Nuri Demirağ, 1954
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You mean to say Robert Kanasz participates in best C# article and best overall article and despite there being really magnificent articles on really interesting and hard stuff he's winning both genres with chewed-out articles on design patterns? And besides that these two genres have over 100 more votes than all the others? Yeah that is suspicious... His first article on design patterns won best C# and best overall article too, while his second article didn't even participate in the competition (or it would have won, I am sure). I know this because I came in second that month. I was surprised, just like now because there were really very good articles, like Sacha Barbers one about DSLs (I really expected that one to win)... Why did so many people vote for design patterns which are written about almost daily since the 90's over more advanced and interesting stuff you don't read so much about? Beats me. So why does this Robert win in two genres with these design pattern articles while his second didn't even make it in the competition? I'm not saying Roberts articles are bad, but article of the month? Come on! The number two wrote a friggin web-search add-in for Visual Studio, now that's winners material! Still he's winning with about ten votes more than the number two. Is it cheating? I don't know. Is it suspicious? Maybe... Is it unfair to the people who write about DSLs, add-ins for VS, pretty tabcontrols (compliments to you!) and cool IL injection. Definitely! I read Roberts article (it's not bad) and I wish him luck, but he didn't get my vote :)
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}I see what you mean. Actually, as I was reading your post, I first thought you were teasing the OP (Burak), but half way through your second paragraph I decided to start reading from the top again. There sure are a lot more votes in those two categories, but I think it is a little early to start drawing conclusions. After I read the post from Burak, I started looking at the survey (I had not voted yet) and after a while, I thought he was referring to the ".NET CLR Injection" article. It is not ranked at the very top in the survey, but it has received 140 article votes in just over two weeks - that is quite a lot. However, the author is a long time member in good standing, so I will not draw any conclusion here either. Soren Madsen
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I see what you mean. Actually, as I was reading your post, I first thought you were teasing the OP (Burak), but half way through your second paragraph I decided to start reading from the top again. There sure are a lot more votes in those two categories, but I think it is a little early to start drawing conclusions. After I read the post from Burak, I started looking at the survey (I had not voted yet) and after a while, I thought he was referring to the ".NET CLR Injection" article. It is not ranked at the very top in the survey, but it has received 140 article votes in just over two weeks - that is quite a lot. However, the author is a long time member in good standing, so I will not draw any conclusion here either. Soren Madsen
Good work, Watson! ;) Had not noticed the CLR Injection votes. Although it's not unthinkable to get this many votes. Whatever the case, if he's cheating he's doing so in the wrong category :laugh:
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I think this should be done. Let's open the discussion of this topic at that time. :confused:
“Milletler birleşince refaha, ayrılınca da fakru zarurete düçar olurlar” Nuri Demirağ, 1954
I just saw this message and I agree with you. Have you discussed it here?: Site Bugs / Suggestions[^] If no, I will open a new discussion on the "Site Bugs / Suggestions" section...
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I think that the results should not be shown until the end of the voting, Because so many people just give the vote at the top of the result table.
“Milletler birleşince refaha, ayrılınca da fakru zarurete düçar olurlar” Nuri Demirağ, 1954
I saw this message just now and I agree with you. Have you discussed it here?: Site Bugs / Suggestions[^] If no, I will open a new discussion on the "Site Bugs / Suggestions" section...
