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Good points, but humanitarian aid by religious people did not start because of science making it easier and would still exist if science hadn't done any of that.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Tell me how humanitarian aid would exist without science?
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Tell me how humanitarian aid would exist without science?
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... and how much of this 'Humanitarian Aid' is used as a dogma loss-leader? "Have this aid, remember how awesome we are, now stop using condoms / tolerating homosexuals / educating girls." Andy B
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now stop using condoms
You're confusing Catholic dogma (which isn't Christianity), but current church 'rules' if you will.
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tolerating homosexuals
Actually, Christianity (if you're not talking to a extremist) is about hating sin, loving the person.
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educating girls
I can't even begin to think where this statement comes from. As the only religion I know of that doesn't support educating women, is definitely not Christianity.
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Are you suggesting people would not help other people without science?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
They might sit and pick parasites off each other.
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They might sit and pick parasites off each other.
That's one way. :) having concern for or helping to improve the welfare and happiness of people.[^] We don't need science for that. Yes, it helps, but in no way are we dependent on science to help each other.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Dear Religion, This week I safely dropped a human being from space; you shot a 14 year old girl in the head for wanting an education. Yours, Science.
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That's one way. :) having concern for or helping to improve the welfare and happiness of people.[^] We don't need science for that. Yes, it helps, but in no way are we dependent on science to help each other.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Empathy doesn't require religion.
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Empathy doesn't require religion.
True. But it is my experience that religion makes people better. I know all you hear in the news are about the fanatics but I believe religion makes people better and my statement was that religious people do more humanitarian efforts than science does.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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True. But it is my experience that religion makes people better. I know all you hear in the news are about the fanatics but I believe religion makes people better and my statement was that religious people do more humanitarian efforts than science does.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I disagree about religion making people better. Good people do good things. Science enables humanitarian aid far more than religion does.
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Actually, medicine was as a result of Christianity*. I think its funny how people don't realize that Science was originally the desire of Christians to find out more about the world that God had created. It was only recently that people started to pervert the pursuit of Science with the pursuit of proving God doesn't exist. :) *To elaborate on this as a few have replied regarding this, I believe medicine has been expanded via Christian influences. In the end, medicine today would not be where it is without the positive influences that Christians had on it.
Actually Chemistry was a result of greed. People wanting to turn Case Metals into Gold. The Alchemists became respectable. Not like Physicists, they are still very disreputable.
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I disagree about religion making people better. Good people do good things. Science enables humanitarian aid far more than religion does.
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Actually Chemistry was a result of greed. People wanting to turn Case Metals into Gold. The Alchemists became respectable. Not like Physicists, they are still very disreputable.
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What about the other 80% of reputable scientists out there... :)
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I disagree. You should get to know a lot more religious people. My experience is clearly very different than yours.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
The UK gives away billions in humanitarian aid, that isn't religion based. However the systems of government, the taxation systems, the surpluses which allow goods to be redistributed, the agricultural systems, the monetary systems, the logistics systems, the manufacturing systems etc are all science based. People have had empathy for far longer than anything we might recognise as religion has existed.
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The UK gives away billions in humanitarian aid, that isn't religion based. However the systems of government, the taxation systems, the surpluses which allow goods to be redistributed, the agricultural systems, the monetary systems, the logistics systems, the manufacturing systems etc are all science based. People have had empathy for far longer than anything we might recognise as religion has existed.
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People have had empathy for far longer than anything we might recognise as religion has existed.
Sort of true. Religion has always existed. But yes, people have always had empathy, and always will, regardless of science or religion.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Actually, medicine was as a result of Christianity*. I think its funny how people don't realize that Science was originally the desire of Christians to find out more about the world that God had created. It was only recently that people started to pervert the pursuit of Science with the pursuit of proving God doesn't exist. :) *To elaborate on this as a few have replied regarding this, I believe medicine has been expanded via Christian influences. In the end, medicine today would not be where it is without the positive influences that Christians had on it.
That is not even nearly what science is pursuing. Science assumes that everything is explicable without resorting to external agents, so it's incompatible with the interfering type of god that turns water into wine (or muon neutrinos into tau neutrinos :^) ), but it is entirely orthogonal to the concept of a supernatural god who sits outside the natural universe and doesn't observably affect it. That might seem like it's as good as not existing. But actually that's the entire concept of at least the Christian god: he won't show himself observably, you need Faith (always with a capital). The number of religious scientists shows that science and religion are compatible.
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True. But it is my experience that religion makes people better. I know all you hear in the news are about the fanatics but I believe religion makes people better and my statement was that religious people do more humanitarian efforts than science does.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Religion makes good people still be good people. It makes bad people much, much worse, because it gives them some justifications to hang their bad deeds and words off – for example, the Taliban, sectarian groups in Ireland or Iraq, Christian slave traders or Sri Lankan separatists. (A strong non-deic ideology can do that too, e.g. Stalin.) A very few bad people become zealous converts and become good in some ways, though they're almost always intolerant about people who don't follow the religion they've picked (e.g. any number of gay-bashing American pastors). As a net effect, it's definitely negative.
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Dear Religion, This week I safely dropped a human being from space; you shot a 14 year old girl in the head for wanting an education. Yours, Science.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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That is not even nearly what science is pursuing. Science assumes that everything is explicable without resorting to external agents, so it's incompatible with the interfering type of god that turns water into wine (or muon neutrinos into tau neutrinos :^) ), but it is entirely orthogonal to the concept of a supernatural god who sits outside the natural universe and doesn't observably affect it. That might seem like it's as good as not existing. But actually that's the entire concept of at least the Christian god: he won't show himself observably, you need Faith (always with a capital). The number of religious scientists shows that science and religion are compatible.
Oh, I whole heartedly believe that Science and religion can co-exist - my wife is a perfect example of such. But in my original statement, it was that Science is being used to try to disprove God, when frankly it has just the same ability to prove His existence as well. Hence, why the debate even exists. As for the origins of Science, originally it was to discern 'what' the world is or 'how' the world is, rather than what it is now, which is 'why' the world is. I'm referring to Science circa Newton.