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    There seem to be quite few people pre-ordering Surfaces. A tablet, IMHO, isn't a casual purchase - there's many on the market, and each have pros and cons. Unless you are specifically buying one as a developer (or with a view to developing for the Surface) isn't buying $500 worth of hardware, sight unseen, without even real production reviews, a little, erm, naive? Remember the first XBox 360 and its various coloured rings of death problems? LifeCam? Zune? Not criticising MS - it may be onto a winner - but can't understand folks willing to take that sort of gamble on a new product sight unseen.

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      There seem to be quite few people pre-ordering Surfaces. A tablet, IMHO, isn't a casual purchase - there's many on the market, and each have pros and cons. Unless you are specifically buying one as a developer (or with a view to developing for the Surface) isn't buying $500 worth of hardware, sight unseen, without even real production reviews, a little, erm, naive? Remember the first XBox 360 and its various coloured rings of death problems? LifeCam? Zune? Not criticising MS - it may be onto a winner - but can't understand folks willing to take that sort of gamble on a new product sight unseen.

      MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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      while I agree with you, in general, it happens all the time at Apple...

      I'm beginning to hate the news...the world was much nicer when I was illiterate Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow. You can't scare me, I have children.

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        while I agree with you, in general, it happens all the time at Apple...

        I'm beginning to hate the news...the world was much nicer when I was illiterate Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow. You can't scare me, I have children.

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        I had a bet with myself about how long it would take before Apple was mentioned... I honestly don't recall what it was like when the first iPad was released - similar I expect, but Apple do have a better reputation on the HW front than MS - and it was a revolutionary product. From what I can see, the Surface is JAT (just another tablet) really...

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          I had a bet with myself about how long it would take before Apple was mentioned... I honestly don't recall what it was like when the first iPad was released - similar I expect, but Apple do have a better reputation on the HW front than MS - and it was a revolutionary product. From what I can see, the Surface is JAT (just another tablet) really...

          MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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          iPad2 is a JAT too and the same thing happen. Why should it be any different for MS?

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            iPad2 is a JAT too and the same thing happen. Why should it be any different for MS?

            A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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            Well, because the iPad1 was already proven and people wanted to upgrade - I'm not certain why they were so keen myself, but it was at least something proven and much less of a gamble than giving microsoft your money before anyone's actually seen the thing in action., i nearly bought a Transformer at one point, looked great on paper and in the ads. But I waited. when i started looking at the issues owners had (like it didn't play HD movies beyond about 3 fps) I was pretty glad I didn't buy earlier. I just wonder how people can bring themselves to throw money at a company based solely on that company's hype.

            MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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              Well, because the iPad1 was already proven and people wanted to upgrade - I'm not certain why they were so keen myself, but it was at least something proven and much less of a gamble than giving microsoft your money before anyone's actually seen the thing in action., i nearly bought a Transformer at one point, looked great on paper and in the ads. But I waited. when i started looking at the issues owners had (like it didn't play HD movies beyond about 3 fps) I was pretty glad I didn't buy earlier. I just wonder how people can bring themselves to throw money at a company based solely on that company's hype.

              MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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              well people could have many reason, one can only make hypthesis maybe there is fan boyism maybe there is status seeking maybe there is the desire to be the first to have something which looks quite different (this status seeking in another form) most certainly there is the fact that it will be a tablet that can be used as tablet, while also being usable as a normal computer (with all desktop thing you expect, such as excel, mouse and keyboard, blablah)

              A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.

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                There seem to be quite few people pre-ordering Surfaces. A tablet, IMHO, isn't a casual purchase - there's many on the market, and each have pros and cons. Unless you are specifically buying one as a developer (or with a view to developing for the Surface) isn't buying $500 worth of hardware, sight unseen, without even real production reviews, a little, erm, naive? Remember the first XBox 360 and its various coloured rings of death problems? LifeCam? Zune? Not criticising MS - it may be onto a winner - but can't understand folks willing to take that sort of gamble on a new product sight unseen.

                MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                Microsoft Surface has been around since 2008 ? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense[^]) Oh, you mean the new product of the same name, I don't see why its so good either, it took over 6 months for the IPad to be a solid product for the general non-technical consumer. Maybe they are on a winner, however I don't really think so.

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                  I had a bet with myself about how long it would take before Apple was mentioned... I honestly don't recall what it was like when the first iPad was released - similar I expect, but Apple do have a better reputation on the HW front than MS - and it was a revolutionary product. From what I can see, the Surface is JAT (just another tablet) really...

                  MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                  While I think the hardware does make it JAT, the thing that makes it different from other tablets is the OS. Most people use Windows on their desktop, so if there's a tablet with an OS based on the same design principles, that may feel comfortably familiar. Windows 8 for the PC will be able to run 'Windows 8' (metro) apps that run on the tablet, and in case of the Surface Pro, you can run traditional desktop programs on your tablet. I don't know if it'll be enough to win people over, I haven't preordered one myself, but I think it's a worthy attempt at least.

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                    There seem to be quite few people pre-ordering Surfaces. A tablet, IMHO, isn't a casual purchase - there's many on the market, and each have pros and cons. Unless you are specifically buying one as a developer (or with a view to developing for the Surface) isn't buying $500 worth of hardware, sight unseen, without even real production reviews, a little, erm, naive? Remember the first XBox 360 and its various coloured rings of death problems? LifeCam? Zune? Not criticising MS - it may be onto a winner - but can't understand folks willing to take that sort of gamble on a new product sight unseen.

                    MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                    _Maxxx_ wrote:

                    Unless you are specifically buying one as a developer (or with a view to developing for the Surface) isn't buying $500 worth of hardware, sight unseen, without even real production reviews, a little, erm, naive?

                    I agree. So, to save you feeling like a twat, I recommend you buy me one for my birthday (since you can't sneak away from the family to pay me a visit for free piss), I look at it as all shiny and impressive while thoroughly pissed. Then the next day bitch and moan about it's shitty 1366 x 768 resolution screen.

                    Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                      _Maxxx_ wrote:

                      Unless you are specifically buying one as a developer (or with a view to developing for the Surface) isn't buying $500 worth of hardware, sight unseen, without even real production reviews, a little, erm, naive?

                      I agree. So, to save you feeling like a twat, I recommend you buy me one for my birthday (since you can't sneak away from the family to pay me a visit for free piss), I look at it as all shiny and impressive while thoroughly pissed. Then the next day bitch and moan about it's shitty 1366 x 768 resolution screen.

                      Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                      Wait a minute - did you say free piss!!??? *checks flight schedule.

                      MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                        Wait a minute - did you say free piss!!??? *checks flight schedule.

                        MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                        _Maxxx_ wrote:

                        Wait a minute - did you say free piss!!???
                         
                        *checks flight schedule.

                        At every party I put on. The kids brewed a lovely keg of Arc d'Triumph last weekend, which is a nice 6.4% alcohol. Shall be bottling it 3 weeks this Saturday and drinking it the week after.

                        Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                          There seem to be quite few people pre-ordering Surfaces. A tablet, IMHO, isn't a casual purchase - there's many on the market, and each have pros and cons. Unless you are specifically buying one as a developer (or with a view to developing for the Surface) isn't buying $500 worth of hardware, sight unseen, without even real production reviews, a little, erm, naive? Remember the first XBox 360 and its various coloured rings of death problems? LifeCam? Zune? Not criticising MS - it may be onto a winner - but can't understand folks willing to take that sort of gamble on a new product sight unseen.

                          MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                          _Maxxx_ wrote:

                          There seem to be quite few people pre-ordering Surfaces.

                          Source please?

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                            _Maxxx_ wrote:

                            There seem to be quite few people pre-ordering Surfaces.

                            Source please?

                            *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                            "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

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                            Well a couple of colleagues, post here about someone at least trying to get one, And computer world news post saying ms have already pre sold out of the low end model

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                              Well a couple of colleagues, post here about someone at least trying to get one, And computer world news post saying ms have already pre sold out of the low end model

                              MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                              _Maxxx_ wrote:

                              computer world news post saying ms have already pre sold out of the low end model

                              Bear in mind that MS are giving Surface's away to all their employees and that's a whole chunk taken out there.

                              *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

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                                _Maxxx_ wrote:

                                There seem to be quite few people pre-ordering Surfaces.

                                Source please?

                                *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                                "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                                CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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                                _Maxxx_ wrote:

                                seem

                                ORDER BY what user wants

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                                  There seem to be quite few people pre-ordering Surfaces. A tablet, IMHO, isn't a casual purchase - there's many on the market, and each have pros and cons. Unless you are specifically buying one as a developer (or with a view to developing for the Surface) isn't buying $500 worth of hardware, sight unseen, without even real production reviews, a little, erm, naive? Remember the first XBox 360 and its various coloured rings of death problems? LifeCam? Zune? Not criticising MS - it may be onto a winner - but can't understand folks willing to take that sort of gamble on a new product sight unseen.

                                  MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                                  _Maxxx_ wrote:

                                  Unless you are specifically buying one as a developer (or with a view to developing for the Surface) isn't buying $500 worth of hardware, sight unseen, without even real production reviews, a little, erm, naive?

                                  Some people wait till their wedding night.

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