Dividing the "ask a question" section between "noobs" and "masters"!?
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I find myself asking questions that from time to time get really rude responses or answers, and though I am an adult and can take criticism, it do make me hesitate to be as active a member on this site as I want to be. Now I asked a question a few day's ago and one of the highest scored "helpers" in the "ask a question"-section, gave me a tongue-lashing for asking a stupid question I should have known the answer to. Well, I if was a schooled programmer and not a self-taught programmer I might have had the breadth of basic knowledge to see what's obvious to other. But when the MSDN reference library, (which are awesome), is like looking for a tidbit of fact in the NYC library without knowing the subject, title nor author of the book it might be in, I ask a question. When I ask a question, I hope for a quick precise answer, and maybe a link to the relevant MSDN page for more details. But when what one gets is a tirade about my failures, Can't help but get a bit miffed. Now I admit that my experience with C# is limited, and I wish I could use PHP for desktop development, but I can't, so I'm stuck trying to get by with what I have and trying to learn more every day. Perhaps my little tirade isn't quite what it could be, but I want to make my point clear, it might be a good idea to separate the "ask a question" into 2 or 3 categories based on what level of skill the asker is at, after all, there are a big difference asking for how get a random number between two values, and the quality of randomness in a self-developed randomization class, versus the standard "Random"-class provided native in C# Just a thought! -frank
Which question, and what did the member say? I cannot figure out what you are refering to.
I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image. Stephen Hawking
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Which question, and what did the member say? I cannot figure out what you are refering to.
I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image. Stephen Hawking
That's absolutely not important. Who said what exactly has nothing to do with the actual purpose of my post.
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I find myself asking questions that from time to time get really rude responses or answers, and though I am an adult and can take criticism, it do make me hesitate to be as active a member on this site as I want to be. Now I asked a question a few day's ago and one of the highest scored "helpers" in the "ask a question"-section, gave me a tongue-lashing for asking a stupid question I should have known the answer to. Well, I if was a schooled programmer and not a self-taught programmer I might have had the breadth of basic knowledge to see what's obvious to other. But when the MSDN reference library, (which are awesome), is like looking for a tidbit of fact in the NYC library without knowing the subject, title nor author of the book it might be in, I ask a question. When I ask a question, I hope for a quick precise answer, and maybe a link to the relevant MSDN page for more details. But when what one gets is a tirade about my failures, Can't help but get a bit miffed. Now I admit that my experience with C# is limited, and I wish I could use PHP for desktop development, but I can't, so I'm stuck trying to get by with what I have and trying to learn more every day. Perhaps my little tirade isn't quite what it could be, but I want to make my point clear, it might be a good idea to separate the "ask a question" into 2 or 3 categories based on what level of skill the asker is at, after all, there are a big difference asking for how get a random number between two values, and the quality of randomness in a self-developed randomization class, versus the standard "Random"-class provided native in C# Just a thought! -frank
First of all, I'm sorry that you have received such a poor response; unfortunately this doesn't help to improve peoples perceptions of the site, so I really wish it hadn't happened. If someone makes an effort to ask a decent question, they should not be belittled - the only time the criticism is valid is when there has been no effort, and attempts to get improvements are met with hostility. Saying that, I don't think that there needs to be a split. What one person considers basic another person considers advanced so the split would be largely subjective. Perhaps we just need to remember that people are trying and give them a bit more lee way. And if it's any consolation, some of us who are experienced have been treated with the same arrogance as well. The big difference that we have is that we are big and bad enough to be able to bite back.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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First of all, I'm sorry that you have received such a poor response; unfortunately this doesn't help to improve peoples perceptions of the site, so I really wish it hadn't happened. If someone makes an effort to ask a decent question, they should not be belittled - the only time the criticism is valid is when there has been no effort, and attempts to get improvements are met with hostility. Saying that, I don't think that there needs to be a split. What one person considers basic another person considers advanced so the split would be largely subjective. Perhaps we just need to remember that people are trying and give them a bit more lee way. And if it's any consolation, some of us who are experienced have been treated with the same arrogance as well. The big difference that we have is that we are big and bad enough to be able to bite back.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
You might be right, but the community mustn't become some exclusive club, only for codemasters. It's important to guide the those who ask "stupid questions", but do so in a civilized manner. And to come down hard upon those who would use their knowledge superiority to denigrate and humiliate the people who seek it. A stupid question is always worth more than an unpleasant answer, in my humble opinion. -frank
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You might be right, but the community mustn't become some exclusive club, only for codemasters. It's important to guide the those who ask "stupid questions", but do so in a civilized manner. And to come down hard upon those who would use their knowledge superiority to denigrate and humiliate the people who seek it. A stupid question is always worth more than an unpleasant answer, in my humble opinion. -frank
Errm, that's what I said.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
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I find myself asking questions that from time to time get really rude responses or answers, and though I am an adult and can take criticism, it do make me hesitate to be as active a member on this site as I want to be. Now I asked a question a few day's ago and one of the highest scored "helpers" in the "ask a question"-section, gave me a tongue-lashing for asking a stupid question I should have known the answer to. Well, I if was a schooled programmer and not a self-taught programmer I might have had the breadth of basic knowledge to see what's obvious to other. But when the MSDN reference library, (which are awesome), is like looking for a tidbit of fact in the NYC library without knowing the subject, title nor author of the book it might be in, I ask a question. When I ask a question, I hope for a quick precise answer, and maybe a link to the relevant MSDN page for more details. But when what one gets is a tirade about my failures, Can't help but get a bit miffed. Now I admit that my experience with C# is limited, and I wish I could use PHP for desktop development, but I can't, so I'm stuck trying to get by with what I have and trying to learn more every day. Perhaps my little tirade isn't quite what it could be, but I want to make my point clear, it might be a good idea to separate the "ask a question" into 2 or 3 categories based on what level of skill the asker is at, after all, there are a big difference asking for how get a random number between two values, and the quality of randomness in a self-developed randomization class, versus the standard "Random"-class provided native in C# Just a thought! -frank
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Maybe describing yourself as "Chief Technology Officer" gives people the impression that you know more than you do.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
I DO have my own company, and when it comes to the larger field of ICT, I have no problem calling myself competent, but except for PHP (and web-related markup languages), my programming skills isn't what I want them to be.
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I DO have my own company, and when it comes to the larger field of ICT, I have no problem calling myself competent, but except for PHP (and web-related markup languages), my programming skills isn't what I want them to be.
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Having looked at some of the comments you have put into Q&A I really cannot see what you are complaining about.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
It got deleted by one of the admins/moderators. I did get good a few decent answers though. But I just got pissed that someone would actively take the time to be mean to someone for asking a question. And if someone feels that it's beneath them to help a newbie, it might indicate a need to do changes, so the elite don't need to be bothered by the unwashed horde. I'm not on any crusade, but I see little reason not to emphasize to the community the need to be civil to each other. And as is customary, when one has an issue, one supplies a possible remedy as well.
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I find myself asking questions that from time to time get really rude responses or answers, and though I am an adult and can take criticism, it do make me hesitate to be as active a member on this site as I want to be. Now I asked a question a few day's ago and one of the highest scored "helpers" in the "ask a question"-section, gave me a tongue-lashing for asking a stupid question I should have known the answer to. Well, I if was a schooled programmer and not a self-taught programmer I might have had the breadth of basic knowledge to see what's obvious to other. But when the MSDN reference library, (which are awesome), is like looking for a tidbit of fact in the NYC library without knowing the subject, title nor author of the book it might be in, I ask a question. When I ask a question, I hope for a quick precise answer, and maybe a link to the relevant MSDN page for more details. But when what one gets is a tirade about my failures, Can't help but get a bit miffed. Now I admit that my experience with C# is limited, and I wish I could use PHP for desktop development, but I can't, so I'm stuck trying to get by with what I have and trying to learn more every day. Perhaps my little tirade isn't quite what it could be, but I want to make my point clear, it might be a good idea to separate the "ask a question" into 2 or 3 categories based on what level of skill the asker is at, after all, there are a big difference asking for how get a random number between two values, and the quality of randomness in a self-developed randomization class, versus the standard "Random"-class provided native in C# Just a thought! -frank
Hi Frank, First of all, I am sorry to hear you've had such a negative experience seeking support on CP, which I think is usually excellent, and delivered with empathy to the person who asked the question. I agree with (what I see as) the "gist" of one responder's comment on this thread: that without at least naming the group where you posted, and got an abusive response: it's hard to respond to this post with any specifics. I'm guessing your experience was on a specific QA forum. I also very much agree with Pete O'Hanlon's view that CP really does not need to split any of the support forums into "levels of skill" categories. You do have the power to vote on responses: to report them as abuse, to vote them down, and to respond back to any response you see as inappropriate, or abusive, or off-topic. Did you exercise that power ? In practice, in general, it seems to me like the C# language forum ... compared to the C# QA Forums ... is usually a place where "higher-level" questions are asked, and issues are posed, and there is less "tolerance," there, for questions that are vague, don't indicate what technical context they are in, etc. There has been an issue with one of the most frequent responders on Q&A (and highest rep), going off into wild-tangents, delivering sermons, or lectures, telling people they are stupid, etc. There have been instances of responses on Q&A that "make fun of" the poster's lack of English language skills, suggestive of racism. Well, that's the real world: some people are cruel; some kind; some like you more than you deserve for unknown reasons; some hate you for unknown reasons; some kick you when you are down; some offer a helping-hand ? When I am on QA, and see what I think is an off-the-wall response, I usually put in a response on the thread telling said responder what I think is wrong with their response, and I, at times, report these responses as abuse, as well as down-voting them. In fact, our esteemed colleague Pete O'Hanlon commented here on this forum, some time ago, that he had to leave helping-out on Q&A activity because he just couldn't stand the behavior of one or two individuals. There have been numerous posts here on this forum, over the last year, regarding Q&A forums, what questioners should be required to do; what to do about people who frequently seem to give long-winded off-topic responses, etc. The issue you raise is not a novelty, here ! But, I think it's unrealistic to expect that people who are busy working professionals, operating