s/w scenes: work experience & Fresher
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:confusedHi all, which come first work experience or job.. if u want to get a job, u need work experience in today's s/w companies.. if u want work experience , U need to get a job first.. so which one..:confused: chicken egg problem ;),pls don't try to write a complex algorithm for this..
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:confusedHi all, which come first work experience or job.. if u want to get a job, u need work experience in today's s/w companies.. if u want work experience , U need to get a job first.. so which one..:confused: chicken egg problem ;),pls don't try to write a complex algorithm for this..
Yep, this is a big problem. The only answer (unless you are lucky and know the right people to get into what you want) is to take a job for pathetic / no pay and get some experience. Or even get a job doing something silly at a firm which employs people in the line you want to work in and try to apply internally later on. Don't feel alone - I and many others had a long and winding road to get into the desired field. Persevere, and work hard at any opportunity, and you will get there in the end :)
Throw in a bit of S&M or eye-ball sucking**-Paul Watson on the merits of swearing, sex and obscenities in CP posts** ...they assumed that reasonably intelligent adults would know enough to leave the building if it was burning. Those who did not were, presumably, expendable, and there was less paperwork involved than trying to fire them**-Roger Wright on fire drills at work**
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:confusedHi all, which come first work experience or job.. if u want to get a job, u need work experience in today's s/w companies.. if u want work experience , U need to get a job first.. so which one..:confused: chicken egg problem ;),pls don't try to write a complex algorithm for this..
If you're currently at university or college, you might be able to get a company to take you on in a temporary role over your holiday periods. This probably won't pay too greatly, but it's something you can put on a CV -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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:confusedHi all, which come first work experience or job.. if u want to get a job, u need work experience in today's s/w companies.. if u want work experience , U need to get a job first.. so which one..:confused: chicken egg problem ;),pls don't try to write a complex algorithm for this..
Shiva Prasad T. S. wrote: which come first work experience or job.. First comes working for slave rates to get experience. Then comes working for good rates at a job. But as usual all these rules have exceptions. Walk in like David Wulff did and stun them into giving you the job.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaRoger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!
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:confusedHi all, which come first work experience or job.. if u want to get a job, u need work experience in today's s/w companies.. if u want work experience , U need to get a job first.. so which one..:confused: chicken egg problem ;),pls don't try to write a complex algorithm for this..
Two easy answers: 1. Open source some code of yours. 2. Write an article. I see dumb people
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If you're currently at university or college, you might be able to get a company to take you on in a temporary role over your holiday periods. This probably won't pay too greatly, but it's something you can put on a CV -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Two easy answers: 1. Open source some code of yours. 2. Write an article. I see dumb people
Yeah, that's true. I had little relevant experience when I applied for my current job, but I did have a few websites to show them containing the freeware stuff I'd been doing which seemed to impress them enough -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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:confusedHi all, which come first work experience or job.. if u want to get a job, u need work experience in today's s/w companies.. if u want work experience , U need to get a job first.. so which one..:confused: chicken egg problem ;),pls don't try to write a complex algorithm for this..
It's really easy, do your own work experience at home and show your future employer what you can do. That's what I did, and I have no qualifications at all. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
It'd probably be fairly easy to make a bot that'd post random stupid VB questions, and nobody would probably ever notice - benjymous - 21-Jan-2003 -
Yeah, that's true. I had little relevant experience when I applied for my current job, but I did have a few websites to show them containing the freeware stuff I'd been doing which seemed to impress them enough -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
fortunately, many of us are out of this loop.. the chicken egg problem may also lead to a cock(the male counterpart of hen)... there the loop breaks up..:)
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Yeah, that's true. I had little relevant experience when I applied for my current job, but I did have a few websites to show them containing the freeware stuff I'd been doing which seemed to impress them enough -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
I have got my last three jobs without showing any CV or qualification. Its hard to get the first one, but if you do that one well, very often the client will have more requirements. Give them a good enough system, and their competition may even want one. benjymous wrote: I had little relevant experience when I applied for my current job, but I did have a few websites to show them containing the freeware stuff I'd been doing which seemed to impress them enough
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fortunately, many of us are out of this loop.. the chicken egg problem may also lead to a cock(the male counterpart of hen)... there the loop breaks up..:)
Not having experience shouldn't matter though, in this case. Assuming you can program, and it's a programming job you're after, then just sit down and write something simple, like a version of space invaders. Be sure to plan it all out, and implement it in a tidy way (with nicely commented modules) and also make sure you finish it. Maybe you could write a CP article documenting how it went and what you did. Basically show that you can work through the entire cycle of a small project sucessfully - it doesn't matter if writing a game is utterly irrelevant to what the job does - people like games, so will be far more impressed having a little game to play than some boring looking dialog app. Then you can put a web address on your CV pointing to an example of what you're capable of. If an employer can look at that and think "Wow, this guy knows what he's doing" then it doesn't matter if you've not got any real experience, as your CV will have made it through the initial sift of CVs -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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:confusedHi all, which come first work experience or job.. if u want to get a job, u need work experience in today's s/w companies.. if u want work experience , U need to get a job first.. so which one..:confused: chicken egg problem ;),pls don't try to write a complex algorithm for this..
The egg lay back, relaxed, lighting a cigarette. The chicken, grumpy, snorted: "Well, this finally answers that question"
It's a royal pain to watch a sex drugs and rock'n'roll design decay into an aids crack and techno implementation [sighist] [Agile Programming] [doxygen]
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The egg lay back, relaxed, lighting a cigarette. The chicken, grumpy, snorted: "Well, this finally answers that question"
It's a royal pain to watch a sex drugs and rock'n'roll design decay into an aids crack and techno implementation [sighist] [Agile Programming] [doxygen]
peterchen wrote: The egg lay back, relaxed, lighting a cigarette. The chicken, grumpy, snorted: "Well, this finally answers that question" Yes, but all I want to know is did the egg have some red wine first before snogging the chicken? ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaRoger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!
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:confusedHi all, which come first work experience or job.. if u want to get a job, u need work experience in today's s/w companies.. if u want work experience , U need to get a job first.. so which one..:confused: chicken egg problem ;),pls don't try to write a complex algorithm for this..
I don't know how your scholar system works, but here we have to do training courses in "real world" to validate our diplomas (at least in "technical schools"), so it's possible to valuate these. A solution is also to find temporary jobs during the summer, as said benjymous. If you have to do a military period, it's perhaps possible to do it as an IT engineer through a special program.
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
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peterchen wrote: The egg lay back, relaxed, lighting a cigarette. The chicken, grumpy, snorted: "Well, this finally answers that question" Yes, but all I want to know is did the egg have some red wine first before snogging the chicken? ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaRoger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!
Paul Watson wrote: Yes, but all I want to know is did the egg have some red wine first before snogging the chicken? :laugh:
Nick Parker
The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything. - Theodore Roosevelt
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Shiva Prasad T. S. wrote: which come first work experience or job.. First comes working for slave rates to get experience. Then comes working for good rates at a job. But as usual all these rules have exceptions. Walk in like David Wulff did and stun them into giving you the job.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaRoger Wright wrote: Using a feather is kinky; using the whole chicken is perverted!
Paul Watson wrote: Walk in like David Wulff did and stun them into giving you the job *image of stunned interviewers like a pile of freshly caught fish* The tigress is here :-D
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Paul Watson wrote: Walk in like David Wulff did and stun them into giving you the job *image of stunned interviewers like a pile of freshly caught fish* The tigress is here :-D
It's all in the first handshake. Just remember to wear a high-voltage electrocution ring. :rolleyes:
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