So anyway, Linux IDEs...
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I ended up with Codelite. Its OK, after realising you have to install a load of stuff to make it work, 6 sub packages and plugins.... Why isnt this made obvious at the start? COme on guys, of you want Linux to work for an idiot end user you need to sort this out.
For those who are not into the OS for its "freedom", it's usually about saving 50 bucks on OS costs and spending 100+ hours across a couple of years in maintenance and just getting it to work.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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it wouldn't be Linux if it was obvious. :rolleyes:
Nihil obstat
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For those who are not into the OS for its "freedom", it's usually about saving 50 bucks on OS costs and spending 100+ hours across a couple of years in maintenance and just getting it to work.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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I ended up with Codelite. Its OK, after realising you have to install a load of stuff to make it work, 6 sub packages and plugins.... Why isnt this made obvious at the start? COme on guys, of you want Linux to work for an idiot end user you need to sort this out.
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I ended up with Codelite. Its OK, after realising you have to install a load of stuff to make it work, 6 sub packages and plugins.... Why isnt this made obvious at the start? COme on guys, of you want Linux to work for an idiot end user you need to sort this out.
There is no such thing as 'Idiot Linux User'... :) Is there any reason you chose Codelite over Eclipse or Qt Creator?
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I ended up with Codelite. Its OK, after realising you have to install a load of stuff to make it work, 6 sub packages and plugins.... Why isnt this made obvious at the start? COme on guys, of you want Linux to work for an idiot end user you need to sort this out.
I would consider QtCreator or KDevelop.
John
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I ended up with Codelite. Its OK, after realising you have to install a load of stuff to make it work, 6 sub packages and plugins.... Why isnt this made obvious at the start? COme on guys, of you want Linux to work for an idiot end user you need to sort this out.
Yep, Linux IDEs are a bit of a problem :) At work, I use Eclipse CDT and that thing takes forever to start even on my monster workstation. Plus, it is pretty buggy and not very intuitive.
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Yep, Linux IDEs are a bit of a problem :) At work, I use Eclipse CDT and that thing takes forever to start even on my monster workstation. Plus, it is pretty buggy and not very intuitive.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
takes forever to start even on my monster workstation. Plus, it is pretty buggy and not very intuitive.
Are you sure you are not talking about Visual Studio?
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
not very intuitive.
Intuitive IDE? sounds interesting...
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There is no such thing as 'Idiot Linux User'... :) Is there any reason you chose Codelite over Eclipse or Qt Creator?
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I would consider QtCreator or KDevelop.
John
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
takes forever to start even on my monster workstation. Plus, it is pretty buggy and not very intuitive.
Are you sure you are not talking about Visual Studio?
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
not very intuitive.
Intuitive IDE? sounds interesting...
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For those who are not into the OS for its "freedom", it's usually about saving 50 bucks on OS costs and spending 100+ hours across a couple of years in maintenance and just getting it to work.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
..there's more reasons; for one, it's a great platform for Windows-developers. I kid thee not; it makes one re-think a bit more than just the UI. Small example; Don't you hate installing all tools on a Windows-machine? All those little setups, installers, asking the same bullshit; what location and do you want a Toolbar for IE? Wouldn't it be great if you could
apt-getunder Windows? Write a simple batchfile to install all crap in one go on a fresh system? Well, there's already two applications that provide such a service under Windows. I think we'll see more environments in the future where you find different Operating Systems, partly due to that economic fact and the current state of affairs. 50 bucks might not sound like much, but once you're talking about an entire department.. (and think of all the people you'd make happy if you were to announce the company will *not* upgrade to Windows 8 with a touchscreen!*) *) then tell them to sudo their work, and run like HellBastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] They hate us for our freedom![^]
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:) I like Linux, it is VERY configurable, VERY flexible, and easy to code for. And fortunately there is loads of good documentation, unlike with Windows, in the net, and a load of good forums. Which makes up for the lack of toughness of installers.
Yep. To the point where you have to configure again and again, almost never in the same way. Loads of good documentation? I agree that MSDN is not anymore what it used to be (lately improving, though), but Linux docs I've saw are HTML versions of man . Very scarce samples and not anyways compiling... It can be better than that.
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..there's more reasons; for one, it's a great platform for Windows-developers. I kid thee not; it makes one re-think a bit more than just the UI. Small example; Don't you hate installing all tools on a Windows-machine? All those little setups, installers, asking the same bullshit; what location and do you want a Toolbar for IE? Wouldn't it be great if you could
apt-getunder Windows? Write a simple batchfile to install all crap in one go on a fresh system? Well, there's already two applications that provide such a service under Windows. I think we'll see more environments in the future where you find different Operating Systems, partly due to that economic fact and the current state of affairs. 50 bucks might not sound like much, but once you're talking about an entire department.. (and think of all the people you'd make happy if you were to announce the company will *not* upgrade to Windows 8 with a touchscreen!*) *) then tell them to sudo their work, and run like HellBastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] They hate us for our freedom![^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Don't you hate installing all tools on a Windows-machine? All those little setups, installers, asking the same bullsh*t; what location and do you want a Toolbar for IE? Wouldn't it be great if you could
apt-getunder Windows? Write a simple batchfile to install all crap in one go on a fresh system? Well, there's already two applications that provide such a service under Windows.That's what Chocolatey is good for :-) Doesn't work for everything, and you are left with adding product keys to "buyware" apps, but it sure takes a lot of the pain out of package management. The simplest script to install a bunch of packages would look something like this [Powershell - I don't use cmd anymore]:
//or load a list from a text, CSV or JSON file or whatever you wish
$apps = @("git", "SublimeText2", "GoogleChrome", "thunderbird", "skype", "VisualStudio2012Professional", "WHATEVER" )
$apps | %{ cinst $_ }If you use Windows, use it to its fullest! EDIT: :doh: "Well, there's already two applications that provide such a service under Windows." - I should read fully before I reply. Well, leave this as an example of what you were saying.
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I ended up with Codelite. Its OK, after realising you have to install a load of stuff to make it work, 6 sub packages and plugins.... Why isnt this made obvious at the start? COme on guys, of you want Linux to work for an idiot end user you need to sort this out.
I try Ubuntu on a pen drive every time a new version comes out. I was never able to use it beyond a few days. Seriously, I can't play my MP3s without having to install extra stuff? It's even more unlikely now that I will go back to Ubuntu. I used to have a DSL connection at my previous apartment and just plugging in the cable was enough to get Ubuntu online. I don't have DSL at my new place (get lost, Airtel :mad: ) and my MTS data card doesn't work with anything other than Windows.
Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:
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Yeah, for the corporates and home end users Linux just isnt going to fly. Its a good tecchie OS though, and good for bespoke embedded stuff.
Big corporates could actually more easily utilise it to save money, as it would be cost effective to have administrators that can customise and standardize the internal Linux. One corporate I know of have a network boot Linux distro and any change to the end users can be rolled out in a matter of minutes and a rollback of that is also quite easy, as compared to Windows and yeah I know with an centralized update server the same could potentially be achieved with Windows...
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..there's more reasons; for one, it's a great platform for Windows-developers. I kid thee not; it makes one re-think a bit more than just the UI. Small example; Don't you hate installing all tools on a Windows-machine? All those little setups, installers, asking the same bullshit; what location and do you want a Toolbar for IE? Wouldn't it be great if you could
apt-getunder Windows? Write a simple batchfile to install all crap in one go on a fresh system? Well, there's already two applications that provide such a service under Windows. I think we'll see more environments in the future where you find different Operating Systems, partly due to that economic fact and the current state of affairs. 50 bucks might not sound like much, but once you're talking about an entire department.. (and think of all the people you'd make happy if you were to announce the company will *not* upgrade to Windows 8 with a touchscreen!*) *) then tell them to sudo their work, and run like HellBastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] They hate us for our freedom![^]
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Yep. To the point where you have to configure again and again, almost never in the same way. Loads of good documentation? I agree that MSDN is not anymore what it used to be (lately improving, though), but Linux docs I've saw are HTML versions of man . Very scarce samples and not anyways compiling... It can be better than that.
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Cristian Amarie wrote:
have to configure again and again, almost never in the same way.
Have to configure each piece of software you get [if you don't prefer the defaults], and the options/configs/settings get pretty regular so it's pretty to get the hang of.
Cristian Amarie wrote:
but Linux docs I've saw are HTML versions of man
You should always click more than one link when you do a google search. Lots of things will start getting a lot better if you do.
If it moves, compile it
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For those who are not into the OS for its "freedom", it's usually about saving 50 bucks on OS costs and spending 100+ hours across a couple of years in maintenance and just getting it to work.
Regards, Nish
My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Nish Sivakumar wrote:
For those who are not into the OS for its "freedom",
Just need to accent that first part.
Nish Sivakumar wrote:
it's usually about saving 50 bucks on OS costs
It's usually about $200 if you don't go with an OEM copy isn't it? Up until I got past the introductory period of my programming career, that was still to much money. I used all the open source software that I could anyway, made sense to use the OS that it was built for. Lots of the free stuff people enjoy was made for Linux to begin with, then ported to windows.
If it moves, compile it
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..there's more reasons; for one, it's a great platform for Windows-developers. I kid thee not; it makes one re-think a bit more than just the UI. Small example; Don't you hate installing all tools on a Windows-machine? All those little setups, installers, asking the same bullshit; what location and do you want a Toolbar for IE? Wouldn't it be great if you could
apt-getunder Windows? Write a simple batchfile to install all crap in one go on a fresh system? Well, there's already two applications that provide such a service under Windows. I think we'll see more environments in the future where you find different Operating Systems, partly due to that economic fact and the current state of affairs. 50 bucks might not sound like much, but once you're talking about an entire department.. (and think of all the people you'd make happy if you were to announce the company will *not* upgrade to Windows 8 with a touchscreen!*) *) then tell them to sudo their work, and run like HellBastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] They hate us for our freedom![^]