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Why wouldn't a technocracy work?

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  • L Lost User

    Since democracy is obviously failing there is a need to find another form of government. The suggestion to adopt a technocracy [^]has been put on the table. Let's evaluate the idea - see any problems?

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    Pete OHanlon
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    Q and A would be full of questions like "Nd Ecnmic Stblity Pact. Urgntz".

    *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

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      We'd have endless arguments over whether the list of constitutional amendements should begin with a 1 or a 0. Senator 1: I move that we adopt amendment 1 protecting the rights of Linux users to date. Senator 2: Do you mean the first amendment or the second amendment?

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      Colin Mullikin
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      MehGerbil wrote:

      Senator 1: ... Senator 2:

      What happened to the first Senator in this conversation... ;P

      The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin

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        Q and A would be full of questions like "Nd Ecnmic Stblity Pact. Urgntz".

        *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

        "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

        CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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        Nagy Vilmos
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        :thumbsup: You sire are cruel.


        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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        • L Lost User

          Since democracy is obviously failing there is a need to find another form of government. The suggestion to adopt a technocracy [^]has been put on the table. Let's evaluate the idea - see any problems?

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          R Giskard Reventlov
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          Government, whilst necessary, will always be inherently flawed regardless of who you put in charge, be they a lying politician or a blinkered technocrat. What we have might be bad but I really don't think putting a bunch of environmentalists or unix geeks or theoretical physicists in charge will help: why would they know more about life and running a country than a self-serving politician?

          "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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            MehGerbil wrote:

            Senator 1: ... Senator 2:

            What happened to the first Senator in this conversation... ;P

            The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin

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            Lost User
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            :thumbsup:

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            • P Pete OHanlon

              MehGerbil wrote:

              Senator 1: I move that we adopt amendment 1 protecting the rights of Linux users to date.
              Senator 2: Do you mean the first amendment or the second amendment?

              Ahhh, the 10nd Amendment

              *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

              "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

              CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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              Lost User
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              :thumbsup:

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              • P Pete OHanlon

                Q and A would be full of questions like "Nd Ecnmic Stblity Pact. Urgntz".

                *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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                Colin Mullikin
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                Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                "Nd Ecnmic Stblity Pact. Urgntz"

                I propose that we turn on voting just for this post... :laugh:

                The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin

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                • L Lost User

                  Since democracy is obviously failing there is a need to find another form of government. The suggestion to adopt a technocracy [^]has been put on the table. Let's evaluate the idea - see any problems?

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                  Lost User
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                  "In a technocracy, decision makers would be selected based upon how knowledgeable and skillful they are in their field." Who does the selecting? Whatever form of government you use power corrupts, and those with the power eventually become concerned with nothing more than keeping it. You might as well form a government of village idiots. The Civil Service actually does everything, and however you choose the public face of the government the country will run as before.

                  Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends. Shed Petition[^]

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                  • L Lost User

                    Since democracy is obviously failing there is a need to find another form of government. The suggestion to adopt a technocracy [^]has been put on the table. Let's evaluate the idea - see any problems?

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                    The U.S. wasn't supposed to be a democracy, maybe the flaw is that it is becoming more democratized? The Civil War and the Direct Election of Senators were the big facilitators but historical there are enumerable events that all moved towards a massive federal government elected by a "democracy". But back to your question. Have you never had an argument with another tech person where your opinion was not chosen in favor of another, who was technically inferior but liked better by the boss or had more seniority?

                    Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                      "In a technocracy, decision makers would be selected based upon how knowledgeable and skillful they are in their field." Who does the selecting? Whatever form of government you use power corrupts, and those with the power eventually become concerned with nothing more than keeping it. You might as well form a government of village idiots. The Civil Service actually does everything, and however you choose the public face of the government the country will run as before.

                      Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends. Shed Petition[^]

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                      R Giskard Reventlov
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                      Searches frantically for the 5 button but gets really pissed off to find it's gone. :)

                      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                        The U.S. wasn't supposed to be a democracy, maybe the flaw is that it is becoming more democratized? The Civil War and the Direct Election of Senators were the big facilitators but historical there are enumerable events that all moved towards a massive federal government elected by a "democracy". But back to your question. Have you never had an argument with another tech person where your opinion was not chosen in favor of another, who was technically inferior but liked better by the boss or had more seniority?

                        Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                        wizardzz
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                        Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                        But back to your question. Have you never had an argument with another tech person where your opinion was not chosen in favor of another, who was technically inferior but liked better by the boss or had more seniority?

                        I think that's why Hilter invaded Poland.

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                          Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                          But back to your question. Have you never had an argument with another tech person where your opinion was not chosen in favor of another, who was technically inferior but liked better by the boss or had more seniority?

                          I think that's why Hilter invaded Poland.

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                          Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                          Really, Godwin's Law already?

                          Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                            We'd have problems naming national parks, especially those with compound names. yellowStone YellowStone Yellowstone park_YellowStone

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                            Parks shall henceforth be identified by GUIDs: Yellowstone => {c4afa8ab-3f75-47a7-bd8e-668250abd894} Yosemite => {2297c9bc-e263-4a6a-9111-5e959e6a27d3} ...

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                              We'd have problems naming national parks, especially those with compound names. yellowStone YellowStone Yellowstone park_YellowStone

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                              CYellowStone* lpprkYellowStone;

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                              • L Lost User

                                Since democracy is obviously failing there is a need to find another form of government. The suggestion to adopt a technocracy [^]has been put on the table. Let's evaluate the idea - see any problems?

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                                We'd still argue over where to place the tax brackets -- New line? Same line? Indented?

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                                  Really, Godwin's Law already?

                                  Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                                  wizardzz
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                                  Yeah, without voting on I gave it a go. You know who also didn't respect votes? The Nazi's!

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                                    We'd still argue over where to place the tax brackets -- New line? Same line? Indented?

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                                    :thumbsup:

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                                      Yeah, without voting on I gave it a go. You know who also didn't respect votes? The Nazi's!

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                                      :thumbsup:

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                                        "In a technocracy, decision makers would be selected based upon how knowledgeable and skillful they are in their field." Who does the selecting? Whatever form of government you use power corrupts, and those with the power eventually become concerned with nothing more than keeping it. You might as well form a government of village idiots. The Civil Service actually does everything, and however you choose the public face of the government the country will run as before.

                                        Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends. Shed Petition[^]

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                                        Lost User
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                                        ChrisElston wrote:

                                        You might as well form a government of village idiots

                                        An Idiocracy?

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                                          Yeah, without voting on I gave it a go. You know who also didn't respect votes? The Nazi's!

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                                          wizardzz wrote:

                                          You know who also didn't respect votes? The Nazi's!

                                          Wrong. Anybody who agreed could remain seated while those who disagreed lined up at the wall behind the house. Perfect democracy.

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