Why wouldn't a technocracy work?
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MehGerbil wrote:
Senator 1: ... Senator 2:
What happened to the first Senator in this conversation... ;P
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Where is the 5 when you need it?:thumbsup:
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Since democracy is obviously failing there is a need to find another form of government. The suggestion to adopt a technocracy [^]has been put on the table. Let's evaluate the idea - see any problems?
Does this post break rule #4?
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Does this post break rule #4?
I don't think so[^] :-D
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Does this post break rule #4?
How about rule 34?
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I don't think so[^] :-D
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You were saying? I sort of zoned out there....
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Since democracy is obviously failing there is a need to find another form of government. The suggestion to adopt a technocracy [^]has been put on the table. Let's evaluate the idea - see any problems?
MehGerbil wrote:
Let's evaluate the idea - see any problems?
You mean besides the fact that the individuals doing the governing are human? And thus susceptible to all of the same problems that other types are. And of course completely ignores such issues as - how the leaders will be choosen, - what methodology is used to decide what disciplines are actually suited for leadership - How does one retain the credentials of the discipline/technology that lead to their leadership role while spending all of the time leading.
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"In a technocracy, decision makers would be selected based upon how knowledgeable and skillful they are in their field." Who does the selecting? Whatever form of government you use power corrupts, and those with the power eventually become concerned with nothing more than keeping it. You might as well form a government of village idiots. The Civil Service actually does everything, and however you choose the public face of the government the country will run as before.
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ChrisElston wrote:
Whatever form of government you use power corrupts, and those with the power eventually become concerned with nothing more than keeping it.
I always favored relatively short term limited posts which are followed immediately by execution.
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ChrisElston wrote:
Whatever form of government you use power corrupts, and those with the power eventually become concerned with nothing more than keeping it.
I always favored relatively short term limited posts which are followed immediately by execution.
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MehGerbil wrote:
Let's evaluate the idea - see any problems?
You mean besides the fact that the individuals doing the governing are human? And thus susceptible to all of the same problems that other types are. And of course completely ignores such issues as - how the leaders will be choosen, - what methodology is used to decide what disciplines are actually suited for leadership - How does one retain the credentials of the discipline/technology that lead to their leadership role while spending all of the time leading.
jschell, Please make your questions more difficult because as it stands you look like you're being paid to pitch softballs (1). *cough* Any ways, thank you for the thought provoking questions. I'm sure you'll find each one answered to your satisfaction - because only an idiot or a terrorist would fail to see the brillance of my answers.
jschell wrote:
- how the leaders will be choosen
Leaders will be chosen by a program written by members of the Code Project.
jschell wrote:
- what methodology is used to decide what disciplines are actually suited for leadership
Real disciplines (ie Computer Science, Database Administrator, Star Ship Captian) will be included whereas fake professions (System Architect, Lawyer, Pole Dancer) will be excluded.
jschell wrote:
- How does one retain the credentials of the discipline/technology that lead to their leadership role while spending all of the time leading.
We'll be using the interwebs to keep things efficient. For example, if the President doesn't have to dress up in a suit everyday, but rather telecomutes, the time he saves shaving/dressing will give him enough time to lead the country, play a few rounds of Halo 4 and read articles on the Code Project. Thanks again, -MehGerbil NOTES ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1: Your check is in the mail.
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We'd have endless arguments over whether the list of constitutional amendements should begin with a 1 or a 0. Senator 1: I move that we adopt amendment 1 protecting the rights of Linux users to date. Senator 2: Do you mean the first amendment or the second amendment?
Why create amendments? Wouldn't we just apply a patch?
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Q and A would be full of questions like "Nd Ecnmic Stblity Pact. Urgntz".
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Government, whilst necessary, will always be inherently flawed regardless of who you put in charge, be they a lying politician or a blinkered technocrat. What we have might be bad but I really don't think putting a bunch of environmentalists or unix geeks or theoretical physicists in charge will help: why would they know more about life and running a country than a self-serving politician?
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That is probably a really good point, not to mention putting a group that is classically (generally speaking) socially awkward (or even dysfunctional) in charge of a society.
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We'd still argue over where to place the tax brackets -- New line? Same line? Indented?
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Here in the US we've already tried legislating using a variant of Schrodinger's cat. "You have to pass the law to find out what's in it" If only it was a laughing matter. :((
Ouch! That makes my stomach churn with how true it really seems to be.
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jschell, Please make your questions more difficult because as it stands you look like you're being paid to pitch softballs (1). *cough* Any ways, thank you for the thought provoking questions. I'm sure you'll find each one answered to your satisfaction - because only an idiot or a terrorist would fail to see the brillance of my answers.
jschell wrote:
- how the leaders will be choosen
Leaders will be chosen by a program written by members of the Code Project.
jschell wrote:
- what methodology is used to decide what disciplines are actually suited for leadership
Real disciplines (ie Computer Science, Database Administrator, Star Ship Captian) will be included whereas fake professions (System Architect, Lawyer, Pole Dancer) will be excluded.
jschell wrote:
- How does one retain the credentials of the discipline/technology that lead to their leadership role while spending all of the time leading.
We'll be using the interwebs to keep things efficient. For example, if the President doesn't have to dress up in a suit everyday, but rather telecomutes, the time he saves shaving/dressing will give him enough time to lead the country, play a few rounds of Halo 4 and read articles on the Code Project. Thanks again, -MehGerbil NOTES ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1: Your check is in the mail.
MehGerbil wrote:
only an idiot or a terrorist would fail to see the brillance of my answers.
Well, Meh, I consider that statement: the epitome of technocracy in action. :) yrs, Bill
~ "access to everything ever written or recorded, know everything the user ever worked on and saved to his or her personal hard drive, and know a whole lot about the user's tastes, friends and predilections." The future as envisioned by Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google.
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"In a technocracy, decision makers would be selected based upon how knowledgeable and skillful they are in their field." Who does the selecting? Whatever form of government you use power corrupts, and those with the power eventually become concerned with nothing more than keeping it. You might as well form a government of village idiots. The Civil Service actually does everything, and however you choose the public face of the government the country will run as before.
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ChrisElston wrote:
You might as well form a government of village idiots.
Isn't that what we have at the moment?
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ChrisElston wrote:
You might as well form a government of village idiots.
Isn't that what we have at the moment?
No. At the moment we have a government formed of the idiot sons of incredibly wealthy idiots. It is a very different class of idiot to the bloke who got fired from his dung shoveling job cos he kept holding his shovel upside down.
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No. At the moment we have a government formed of the idiot sons of incredibly wealthy idiots. It is a very different class of idiot to the bloke who got fired from his dung shoveling job cos he kept holding his shovel upside down.
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ChrisElston wrote:
the bloke who got fired from his dung shoveling job cos he kept holding his shovel upside down
Do you mean something like a President who was photographed reading to children with the book upside down? :laugh:
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Since democracy is obviously failing there is a need to find another form of government. The suggestion to adopt a technocracy [^]has been put on the table. Let's evaluate the idea - see any problems?
If you think the RWARs are bad now, just wait until C++, C#, and Java devotees are all contending for power. Brace placement? Spaces or tabs? BAH! You ain't seen nothing yet. Doesn't matter to me, anyway. I'm an anarcho-monarchist. I tend to ignore power structures of all sorts...until I can see the whites of their eyes. (Yes, Virginia, the AR-15A really is accurate at 200 meters.)
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