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    Mike Baldini
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    Ok, so... I have a 1974 Chevy Nova with an 8.1L GEN 7 big block and a custom twin turbo system that I am still in the process of fabricating (using two T67 turbos). Clickety Click for Pics I built a custom intake manifold for this motor (since NOBODY makes aftermarket parts for it) that accepts a carburetor. But the motor has a lot of interesting and useful sensors, such as a Crank Angle Sensor, Knock Sensor, and Oil Condition sensor. I want to integrate a small touch screen unit into the dash, where I can display different sets of data, such as Acceleration, Boost pressure, fuel pressure, knock count, oil condition, etc. I also want to be able to do data logging, and would like to be able to control the unit via my android phone. Oh, and I also need it to have audio outputs because it would essentially be replacing the radio (and would use a USB radio receiver such as this). The RaspberryPi seems to have the edge when it comes performance, it has a standard RCA style video out along with an HDMI output (does that HDMI support audio as well???). But I do not know enough about the Arduino/Netduino to rule them out. So, what would you use?

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      Ok, so... I have a 1974 Chevy Nova with an 8.1L GEN 7 big block and a custom twin turbo system that I am still in the process of fabricating (using two T67 turbos). Clickety Click for Pics I built a custom intake manifold for this motor (since NOBODY makes aftermarket parts for it) that accepts a carburetor. But the motor has a lot of interesting and useful sensors, such as a Crank Angle Sensor, Knock Sensor, and Oil Condition sensor. I want to integrate a small touch screen unit into the dash, where I can display different sets of data, such as Acceleration, Boost pressure, fuel pressure, knock count, oil condition, etc. I also want to be able to do data logging, and would like to be able to control the unit via my android phone. Oh, and I also need it to have audio outputs because it would essentially be replacing the radio (and would use a USB radio receiver such as this). The RaspberryPi seems to have the edge when it comes performance, it has a standard RCA style video out along with an HDMI output (does that HDMI support audio as well???). But I do not know enough about the Arduino/Netduino to rule them out. So, what would you use?

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      Casey Sheridan
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      I know it's not what you're asking but I would recommend the Hackberry A10[^]

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        I know it's not what you're asking but I would recommend the Hackberry A10[^]

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        Mike Baldini
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        hey i said 'other' :-D Thanks for the info, i am looking at it now.

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          I know it's not what you're asking but I would recommend the Hackberry A10[^]

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          Mike Baldini
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          oh wow. That board is pretty bad ass. Audio over HDMI, accelerometer, decoding full HD, and supports android (haha maybe I could get Netflix running on it :laugh: ). Thanks for making the choice even harder for me :laugh:

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            Ok, so... I have a 1974 Chevy Nova with an 8.1L GEN 7 big block and a custom twin turbo system that I am still in the process of fabricating (using two T67 turbos). Clickety Click for Pics I built a custom intake manifold for this motor (since NOBODY makes aftermarket parts for it) that accepts a carburetor. But the motor has a lot of interesting and useful sensors, such as a Crank Angle Sensor, Knock Sensor, and Oil Condition sensor. I want to integrate a small touch screen unit into the dash, where I can display different sets of data, such as Acceleration, Boost pressure, fuel pressure, knock count, oil condition, etc. I also want to be able to do data logging, and would like to be able to control the unit via my android phone. Oh, and I also need it to have audio outputs because it would essentially be replacing the radio (and would use a USB radio receiver such as this). The RaspberryPi seems to have the edge when it comes performance, it has a standard RCA style video out along with an HDMI output (does that HDMI support audio as well???). But I do not know enough about the Arduino/Netduino to rule them out. So, what would you use?

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            BeagleBone might be good

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              BeagleBone might be good

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              btw, Arduino should be able to handle this type of work. You just have to get the Right one. I do recall seeing someone hooking up Arduino to a car to pretty much replace its dashboard.

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                Ok, so... I have a 1974 Chevy Nova with an 8.1L GEN 7 big block and a custom twin turbo system that I am still in the process of fabricating (using two T67 turbos). Clickety Click for Pics I built a custom intake manifold for this motor (since NOBODY makes aftermarket parts for it) that accepts a carburetor. But the motor has a lot of interesting and useful sensors, such as a Crank Angle Sensor, Knock Sensor, and Oil Condition sensor. I want to integrate a small touch screen unit into the dash, where I can display different sets of data, such as Acceleration, Boost pressure, fuel pressure, knock count, oil condition, etc. I also want to be able to do data logging, and would like to be able to control the unit via my android phone. Oh, and I also need it to have audio outputs because it would essentially be replacing the radio (and would use a USB radio receiver such as this). The RaspberryPi seems to have the edge when it comes performance, it has a standard RCA style video out along with an HDMI output (does that HDMI support audio as well???). But I do not know enough about the Arduino/Netduino to rule them out. So, what would you use?

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                Lost User
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                Mike Baldini wrote:

                So, what would you use?

                Can't tell, until I had a chance to try them all. The Pi is happy with a few penlites, but the GPIO-port is beyond me. If you want to interface with hardware, the arduino probably has more options in terms of available kits and breadboards. Cool thing about the Pi is the price; then again, there was this "slight" waiting-period..

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                  I know it's not what you're asking but I would recommend the Hackberry A10[^]

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                  _beauw_
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                  I was thinking along the same lines after I read the question. I'm not an expert at Arduinos, but this does not seem like a typical Arduino application.

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                    Mike Baldini wrote:

                    So, what would you use?

                    Can't tell, until I had a chance to try them all. The Pi is happy with a few penlites, but the GPIO-port is beyond me. If you want to interface with hardware, the arduino probably has more options in terms of available kits and breadboards. Cool thing about the Pi is the price; then again, there was this "slight" waiting-period..

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] They hate us for our freedom![^]

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                    Mike Baldini
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                    I have been wanting an Arduino for quite a long time. But then the pi and netduino come out (both with more processing power) and just make it harder to decide. The more options i get, the harder it is to choose. That trait pisses my wife off all the time ;P

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                      BeagleBone might be good

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                      Mike Baldini
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                      It looks like the beaglebone has to be coded using Cloud9 and supports just node.js right? Never played with that before. Might be better for me to stay with plain java or c/c++ in eclipse. The capabilities of the board look pretty promising though.

                      "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein

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                        I was thinking along the same lines after I read the question. I'm not an expert at Arduinos, but this does not seem like a typical Arduino application.

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                        Yea not really typical. It is going to replace close to $500 in gauges ($80/gauge is just insane). This entire car is meant to be a complete home-built system. I have already built the intake manifold out of flat stock (I even bent the runners out of flat plate), welded in the sub-frame connectors, and am in the process of fabricating the turbo manifolds, intercooler, charge piping, and carb hat. But I do not want to stop at just the mechanical aspects, I even want the electronics to be 'home brew' and impressive.

                        "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein

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                          Yea not really typical. It is going to replace close to $500 in gauges ($80/gauge is just insane). This entire car is meant to be a complete home-built system. I have already built the intake manifold out of flat stock (I even bent the runners out of flat plate), welded in the sub-frame connectors, and am in the process of fabricating the turbo manifolds, intercooler, charge piping, and carb hat. But I do not want to stop at just the mechanical aspects, I even want the electronics to be 'home brew' and impressive.

                          "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein

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                          _beauw_
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                          So you're actually planning to blow into the carb, not suck through it , right? (I just ask out of curiosity. It doesn't affect the instrumentation much.)

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                            So you're actually planning to blow into the carb, not suck through it , right? (I just ask out of curiosity. It doesn't affect the instrumentation much.)

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                            Mike Baldini
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                            yes because sucking through the carb with that much intercooler piping would be a pipe bomb just waiting for the first backfire :laugh:. There is actually a shop in the San Bernardino area that is world renown for building carburetors that perform very well under boost. So I am having them perform the conversion on my Barry Grant Claw 750.

                            "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein

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                              oh wow. That board is pretty bad ass. Audio over HDMI, accelerometer, decoding full HD, and supports android (haha maybe I could get Netflix running on it :laugh: ). Thanks for making the choice even harder for me :laugh:

                              "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein

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                              Casey Sheridan
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                              Mike Baldini wrote:

                              Thanks for making the choice even harder for me

                              You are very welcome! :laugh:

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                                hey i said 'other' :-D Thanks for the info, i am looking at it now.

                                "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein

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                                Mike Baldini wrote:

                                i said 'other'

                                You're right. I missed that. :-\

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                                  It looks like the beaglebone has to be coded using Cloud9 and supports just node.js right? Never played with that before. Might be better for me to stay with plain java or c/c++ in eclipse. The capabilities of the board look pretty promising though.

                                  "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein

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                                  whaa~~ I thought beaglebone runs linux, you use whatever you are comfortable with on linux.

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                                    I have been wanting an Arduino for quite a long time. But then the pi and netduino come out (both with more processing power) and just make it harder to decide. The more options i get, the harder it is to choose. That trait pisses my wife off all the time ;P

                                    "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein

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                                    I would not recommend using netduino though I mean the best part about writing code on microcontrollers is the clear and concise,linear operation, what's the point of making it in .net. Actually, if you want to use an Android, check out the IOIO board, I don't know if they've come up with the bluetooth version yet, but that might be interesting

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                                      Ok, so... I have a 1974 Chevy Nova with an 8.1L GEN 7 big block and a custom twin turbo system that I am still in the process of fabricating (using two T67 turbos). Clickety Click for Pics I built a custom intake manifold for this motor (since NOBODY makes aftermarket parts for it) that accepts a carburetor. But the motor has a lot of interesting and useful sensors, such as a Crank Angle Sensor, Knock Sensor, and Oil Condition sensor. I want to integrate a small touch screen unit into the dash, where I can display different sets of data, such as Acceleration, Boost pressure, fuel pressure, knock count, oil condition, etc. I also want to be able to do data logging, and would like to be able to control the unit via my android phone. Oh, and I also need it to have audio outputs because it would essentially be replacing the radio (and would use a USB radio receiver such as this). The RaspberryPi seems to have the edge when it comes performance, it has a standard RCA style video out along with an HDMI output (does that HDMI support audio as well???). But I do not know enough about the Arduino/Netduino to rule them out. So, what would you use?

                                      Senior Software Engineer Automotive Hacker

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                                      I admire the fact that you're building your own intake system, but I gotta ask - why use an engine that you can't get parts for, and why a big block? Benefits of using a small block: 0) HP would be comparable to pretty much any big block you could build. 1) The assembled engine would be up to 30% lighter. 2) A small block revs faster and higher, making more power sooner. 3) Since it's a ubiquitous platform, your induction choices are more numerous.

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                                        Ok, so... I have a 1974 Chevy Nova with an 8.1L GEN 7 big block and a custom twin turbo system that I am still in the process of fabricating (using two T67 turbos). Clickety Click for Pics I built a custom intake manifold for this motor (since NOBODY makes aftermarket parts for it) that accepts a carburetor. But the motor has a lot of interesting and useful sensors, such as a Crank Angle Sensor, Knock Sensor, and Oil Condition sensor. I want to integrate a small touch screen unit into the dash, where I can display different sets of data, such as Acceleration, Boost pressure, fuel pressure, knock count, oil condition, etc. I also want to be able to do data logging, and would like to be able to control the unit via my android phone. Oh, and I also need it to have audio outputs because it would essentially be replacing the radio (and would use a USB radio receiver such as this). The RaspberryPi seems to have the edge when it comes performance, it has a standard RCA style video out along with an HDMI output (does that HDMI support audio as well???). But I do not know enough about the Arduino/Netduino to rule them out. So, what would you use?

                                        Senior Software Engineer Automotive Hacker

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                                        wizardzz
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                                        Do you have a facebook, or website, dedicated to just the car? I'd like to follow your progress (my brother is a car tuner and I grew up in a gearhead family) but I don't want to friend you on facebook, as you'll get annoyed by my attempts at humor in my status updates.

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                                          whaa~~ I thought beaglebone runs linux, you use whatever you are comfortable with on linux.

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                                          Mike Baldini
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                                          Ah... I guess I mis-interpreted their website.

                                          "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein

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