Terrible story unfolding...
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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html?npt=NP1[^] :|
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Nope, won't work. They outlawed drugs, and you can get them easily. They outlawed driving under the influence, yet people can buy both cars and booze. You can make all the laws you want, but the bad guys are going to keep breaking them. In this particular instance, a school is considered a "gun-free zone" (federal law). BY LAW, you cannot bring a gun into a school. He also could not legally carry a gun in Connecticut because he wasn't 21. When people are intent on mayhem, "the law" is not the thing they worry about the most. "The law" is merely an instrument the government uses to put people in jail. The problem with a mass shooting is that the perp is likely to take his own life AFTER he commits the crime. You can't arrest them at point, can you? So, the solution isn't gun control. The solution isn't arming the teachers. The solution isn't trying to prevent guns from entering school premises. The best solution is remote decentralized teaching/learning. The kids are safer, but they don't learn other essential skills. Beyond that, this only addresses the schools. What about the malls, or community swimming pools, or the county fair? The knee-jerk reaction to put more control on guns is simply not plausible.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Or possibly implement gun control.
Kids get hacked to death in Chinese schools because they don't have guns. Look it up. [edit] There are many cases of children being hacked to death in China. Hacked, instead of shot, because guns are illegal. Now, should they outlaw knives, machetes, and axes as well?
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Nope, won't work. They outlawed drugs, and you can get them easily. They outlawed driving under the influence, yet people can buy both cars and booze. You can make all the laws you want, but the bad guys are going to keep breaking them. In this particular instance, a school is considered a "gun-free zone" (federal law). BY LAW, you cannot bring a gun into a school. He also could not legally carry a gun in Connecticut because he wasn't 21. When people are intent on mayhem, "the law" is not the thing they worry about the most. "The law" is merely an instrument the government uses to put people in jail. The problem with a mass shooting is that the perp is likely to take his own life AFTER he commits the crime. You can't arrest them at point, can you? So, the solution isn't gun control. The solution isn't arming the teachers. The solution isn't trying to prevent guns from entering school premises. The best solution is remote decentralized teaching/learning. The kids are safer, but they don't learn other essential skills. Beyond that, this only addresses the schools. What about the malls, or community swimming pools, or the county fair? The knee-jerk reaction to put more control on guns is simply not plausible.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997security guard stations and full bag checks. One entry in and one entry out. just like my ex-place of employment.
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security guard stations and full bag checks. One entry in and one entry out. just like my ex-place of employment.
Slacker007 wrote:
security guard stations and full bag checks.
Have fun implementing that at every single school in the entire country... :doh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Nope, won't work. They outlawed drugs, and you can get them easily. They outlawed driving under the influence, yet people can buy both cars and booze. You can make all the laws you want, but the bad guys are going to keep breaking them. In this particular instance, a school is considered a "gun-free zone" (federal law). BY LAW, you cannot bring a gun into a school. He also could not legally carry a gun in Connecticut because he wasn't 21. When people are intent on mayhem, "the law" is not the thing they worry about the most. "The law" is merely an instrument the government uses to put people in jail. The problem with a mass shooting is that the perp is likely to take his own life AFTER he commits the crime. You can't arrest them at point, can you? So, the solution isn't gun control. The solution isn't arming the teachers. The solution isn't trying to prevent guns from entering school premises. The best solution is remote decentralized teaching/learning. The kids are safer, but they don't learn other essential skills. Beyond that, this only addresses the schools. What about the malls, or community swimming pools, or the county fair? The knee-jerk reaction to put more control on guns is simply not plausible.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I am in the UK - if I was going to go postal I wouldn't have a clue where to get hold of a gun. If I was in the USA I daresay I could get hold of a gun very easily. Gun control is the only solution
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Slacker007 wrote:
security guard stations and full bag checks.
Have fun implementing that at every single school in the entire country... :doh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
just a suggestion. I think it is going to be impossible to implement anything worth while at every school across the country.
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I am in the UK - if I was going to go postal I wouldn't have a clue where to get hold of a gun. If I was in the USA I daresay I could get hold of a gun very easily. Gun control is the only solution
RugbyLeague wrote:
Gun control is the only solution
No, it is not. What are you going to do with the person that WANTS to do this kind of killing? How do you stop the intent? Gun control is not the only answer.
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RugbyLeague wrote:
Gun control is the only solution
No, it is not. What are you going to do with the person that WANTS to do this kind of killing? How do you stop the intent? Gun control is not the only answer.
If you make access to guns extremely difficult it will be very difficult for somebody who just flips to get hold of one and use one. You won't entirely prevent pre-meditated, planned, murder spress but it will minimise the number of nutters flipping and going bullet happy in public places.
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If you make access to guns extremely difficult it will be very difficult for somebody who just flips to get hold of one and use one. You won't entirely prevent pre-meditated, planned, murder spress but it will minimise the number of nutters flipping and going bullet happy in public places.
I have to disagree on the banning guns. Please Google search for school children in China being killed by psycho's. They do it without guns. They flipped out, too.
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I vote brainwashing as the solution
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If you make access to guns extremely difficult it will be very difficult for somebody who just flips to get hold of one and use one. You won't entirely prevent pre-meditated, planned, murder spress but it will minimise the number of nutters flipping and going bullet happy in public places.
RugbyLeague wrote:
it will minimise the number of nutters flipping and going bullet happy in public places.
And increase the number of nutters flipping and going knife happy in public places... :doh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Nope, won't work. They outlawed drugs, and you can get them easily. They outlawed driving under the influence, yet people can buy both cars and booze. You can make all the laws you want, but the bad guys are going to keep breaking them. In this particular instance, a school is considered a "gun-free zone" (federal law). BY LAW, you cannot bring a gun into a school. He also could not legally carry a gun in Connecticut because he wasn't 21. When people are intent on mayhem, "the law" is not the thing they worry about the most. "The law" is merely an instrument the government uses to put people in jail. The problem with a mass shooting is that the perp is likely to take his own life AFTER he commits the crime. You can't arrest them at point, can you? So, the solution isn't gun control. The solution isn't arming the teachers. The solution isn't trying to prevent guns from entering school premises. The best solution is remote decentralized teaching/learning. The kids are safer, but they don't learn other essential skills. Beyond that, this only addresses the schools. What about the malls, or community swimming pools, or the county fair? The knee-jerk reaction to put more control on guns is simply not plausible.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
In this particular instance, a school is considered a "gun-free zone" (federal law). BY LAW, you cannot bring a gun into a school.
Michael Moore @MMFlint Just 18 hrs ago, those Republicans in the Michigan House rammed thru a bill making it LEGAL to carry a gun into a school or day care center.
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I have to disagree on the banning guns. Please Google search for school children in China being killed by psycho's. They do it without guns. They flipped out, too.
cool strawman bro
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RugbyLeague wrote:
it will minimise the number of nutters flipping and going bullet happy in public places.
And increase the number of nutters flipping and going knife happy in public places... :doh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
You have evidence that will happen?
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Slacker007 wrote:
security guard stations and full bag checks.
Have fun implementing that at every single school in the entire country... :doh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Homeland Security? They're being paid to keep people safe .
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can. “We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone "The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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cool strawman bro
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You have evidence that will happen?
Apparently you haven't read the posts or looked at the links that people have provided that talk about this exact thing happening in China...
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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security guard stations and full bag checks. One entry in and one entry out. just like my ex-place of employment.
Easy - as the shooter walks up to the bag checker, he pulls a gun from the bag to be checked, and blows away the person doing the checking. He then continues into the school, unmolested. Later, people will say, "I thought he was just another parent..."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997 -
I am in the UK - if I was going to go postal I wouldn't have a clue where to get hold of a gun. If I was in the USA I daresay I could get hold of a gun very easily. Gun control is the only solution
That's true for the UK. But Mexico also has very restrictive gun laws and getting a gun there is said to be not difficult at all. It's easy to sit in a country where most people abide by the law and talk about banning guns for those who have to live among a high number of criminals.