New development desktop...
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Would you go with Win 7 or 8? ...my main dev target is desktop applications (C++/Java)... ...I also was looking for something you could easily place/remove hard drives in case anyone knows of specific towers that let you do that easily.
Albert Holguin wrote:
...I also was looking for something you could easily place/remove hard drives in case anyone knows of specific towers that let you do that easily.
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Albert Holguin wrote:
easily place/remove hard drives in case anyone knows of specific towers that let you do that easily.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Somebody has more money than they need...In other words buying an apple product. :)
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Would you go with Win 7 or 8? ...my main dev target is desktop applications (C++/Java)... ...I also was looking for something you could easily place/remove hard drives in case anyone knows of specific towers that let you do that easily.
At this point, if I was writing desktop apps, I'd go dual boot, so I could test on W8 without being tied to it day to day.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Yeah but you know there's the whole MS thing with every other OS being crap... although I haven't used 8 enough to know. Are you using that now?
My main machines are all Win7, I do dual boot Win8 on a laptop. But I did quite a bit of dev on the beta and RC versions of W8 using VS 2012 beta and had few or no issues.
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Why? :wtf:
- Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits. - Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most. - I vaguely remember having a good memory...
I wasn't actually suggesting he get it. I was just pointing out the ease of hard drive insertion/removal[^] with that case design. :laugh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Albert Holguin wrote:
...I also was looking for something you could easily place/remove hard drives in case anyone knows of specific towers that let you do that easily.
VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.0 ToDo Manager Extension
Version 3.0 now available. There is no place like 127.0.0.1Can you boot off USB from most motherboards? ...I haven't done that much but that could be the way to go (I want to be able to boot off the other drives to different Linux distros).
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At this point, if I was writing desktop apps, I'd go dual boot, so I could test on W8 without being tied to it day to day.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Yeah... that might be a good option...
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Would you go with Win 7 or 8? ...my main dev target is desktop applications (C++/Java)... ...I also was looking for something you could easily place/remove hard drives in case anyone knows of specific towers that let you do that easily.
I'd recommend a dual boot as well. You'll want Windows 8 to test on, etc. but I think, once you've played with 8, you would want to go back to Windows 7 for development. Windows 8 is flaky for me - you'll need to buy (to get a stable one) replacement for the start menu, which still seems stunningly asinine to me, defaults won't work, and I even have to reboot on occasion for things like double clicking stops working and starts performing right clicks instead. No it's not a setting; a reboot fixes it every time. (and worst of all, my Evoluent vertical mice don't work quite normally either).
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin
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Would you go with Win 7 or 8? ...my main dev target is desktop applications (C++/Java)... ...I also was looking for something you could easily place/remove hard drives in case anyone knows of specific towers that let you do that easily.
I have recently started using Windows 8 and it took some getting used to. The biggest thing was no traditional start menu. Once you figure out (and get accustomed to it) the 'Modern UI' start screen is actually your start menu but on some serious steroids then it is a none issue. I'm doing all my dev on it now using Visual Studio 2012 (I also have a WAMP environment set up for occasional PHP stuff) with no issues at all. There was a learning curve for the first few days though, but that's part of the fun IMO.
Dave
Binging is like googling, it just feels dirtier. Please take your VB.NET out of our nice case sensitive forum. Astonish us. Be exceptional. (Pete O'Hanlon)
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn) -
Yeah but you know there's the whole MS thing with every other OS being crap... although I haven't used 8 enough to know. Are you using that now?
Using Win8 here for development for the last few months. No problems at all. I like it.
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I wasn't actually suggesting he get it. I was just pointing out the ease of hard drive insertion/removal[^] with that case design. :laugh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Somebody has more money than they need...In other words buying an apple product. :)
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Would you go with Win 7 or 8? ...my main dev target is desktop applications (C++/Java)... ...I also was looking for something you could easily place/remove hard drives in case anyone knows of specific towers that let you do that easily.
I think this question is important enough to be a survey on the CP home page - perhaps with some additions (and taking out your HD related question :) ). There are already a couple of good answers. I wish I was able to add to them, but I will be in the same boat as you pretty soon and I am also interested in hearing what other developers here have to say about their actual experience with doing development on Windows 8. Actually, I am mostly interested in hearing if there is something you cannot accomplish when developing under Win8, specifically regarding XP targeted development. I will be stuck with that for some time and know there are some pitfalls with the .NET Framework 4.5 as previously posted here (was that by CG and Espen or Pete? I thought I had the posts bookmarked, but I guess not :^) ). Soren Madsen
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You get what you pay for.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Sometimes.
- Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits. - Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most. - I vaguely remember having a good memory...
Apple is obviously not perfect but they win a ton of design, quality and customer satisfaction awards. More than any other computer maker or consumer electronics maker I can think of. Every Apple product I've owned has been rock solid. I wish I could say that of every other product I've owned.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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You get what you pay for.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
No, sometimes you get a lot less than you pay for, especially when you are buying the latest in designer products. Apple has always been expensive for what you pay for, but I have to admit that they do a pretty slick job on their products, and their marketing is also very impressive.
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Would you go with Win 7 or 8? ...my main dev target is desktop applications (C++/Java)... ...I also was looking for something you could easily place/remove hard drives in case anyone knows of specific towers that let you do that easily.
I don't know about drive swappage, but I'm going Windows 8 on my new dev desktop, and will in all likelihood regale the Lounch with a fair number of regular observations. The first is the insanely quick start-up. Not timed yet, but on a 3.4GHz i5 with 16GB ram and 125GB SSD, Windows 8 starts in what seems like purely physical boot time. Then, just click the Desktop tile to get back to a more familiar environment.
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I have recently started using Windows 8 and it took some getting used to. The biggest thing was no traditional start menu. Once you figure out (and get accustomed to it) the 'Modern UI' start screen is actually your start menu but on some serious steroids then it is a none issue. I'm doing all my dev on it now using Visual Studio 2012 (I also have a WAMP environment set up for occasional PHP stuff) with no issues at all. There was a learning curve for the first few days though, but that's part of the fun IMO.
Dave
Binging is like googling, it just feels dirtier. Please take your VB.NET out of our nice case sensitive forum. Astonish us. Be exceptional. (Pete O'Hanlon)
BTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)DaveyM69 wrote:
There was a learning curve for the first few days though, but that's part of the fun IMO.
Hell yeah! :|
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I'd recommend a dual boot as well. You'll want Windows 8 to test on, etc. but I think, once you've played with 8, you would want to go back to Windows 7 for development. Windows 8 is flaky for me - you'll need to buy (to get a stable one) replacement for the start menu, which still seems stunningly asinine to me, defaults won't work, and I even have to reboot on occasion for things like double clicking stops working and starts performing right clicks instead. No it's not a setting; a reboot fixes it every time. (and worst of all, my Evoluent vertical mice don't work quite normally either).
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin
dexterama wrote:
Windows 8 is flaky for me
That's what I'm afraid of... and I do have another laptop that was just purchased for Windows 8 testing so I do have that for testing purposes.
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I think this question is important enough to be a survey on the CP home page - perhaps with some additions (and taking out your HD related question :) ). There are already a couple of good answers. I wish I was able to add to them, but I will be in the same boat as you pretty soon and I am also interested in hearing what other developers here have to say about their actual experience with doing development on Windows 8. Actually, I am mostly interested in hearing if there is something you cannot accomplish when developing under Win8, specifically regarding XP targeted development. I will be stuck with that for some time and know there are some pitfalls with the .NET Framework 4.5 as previously posted here (was that by CG and Espen or Pete? I thought I had the posts bookmarked, but I guess not :^) ). Soren Madsen
I agree... it's a good question to get feedback from the whole community from. I'm a bit torn over the decision of which way to go, bleeding edge and risk OS related problems or go for the safe bet with Win7? :doh: