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    Good article from Washington Post. Article[^] Smith, the director of the American Academy, recalls the prosperous and sophisticated German couple who sat next to him on a recent train ride to Berlin. Creators of a successful pharmaceutical research company, they were the kind of people he assumed would be most comfortable with American ideas and values. Instead, he said, they railed against American arrogance and imperial ambitions and refused to concede there might be two sides to the argument. "I was making the case that if we go into Iraq and discover weapons of mass destruction, then the world would come to realize we'd been right," recalls Smith. "And they told me, 'If that happens, it's only because the CIA planted them.' I was floored." Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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      Good article from Washington Post. Article[^] Smith, the director of the American Academy, recalls the prosperous and sophisticated German couple who sat next to him on a recent train ride to Berlin. Creators of a successful pharmaceutical research company, they were the kind of people he assumed would be most comfortable with American ideas and values. Instead, he said, they railed against American arrogance and imperial ambitions and refused to concede there might be two sides to the argument. "I was making the case that if we go into Iraq and discover weapons of mass destruction, then the world would come to realize we'd been right," recalls Smith. "And they told me, 'If that happens, it's only because the CIA planted them.' I was floored." Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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      "I was floored." Mr. Smith is naive, he should spend a few days here at CP. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:

      I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

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        Good article from Washington Post. Article[^] Smith, the director of the American Academy, recalls the prosperous and sophisticated German couple who sat next to him on a recent train ride to Berlin. Creators of a successful pharmaceutical research company, they were the kind of people he assumed would be most comfortable with American ideas and values. Instead, he said, they railed against American arrogance and imperial ambitions and refused to concede there might be two sides to the argument. "I was making the case that if we go into Iraq and discover weapons of mass destruction, then the world would come to realize we'd been right," recalls Smith. "And they told me, 'If that happens, it's only because the CIA planted them.' I was floored." Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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        Kant wrote: the prosperous and sophisticated German couple Well, money can't buy common sense and logic.
        Regards,

        Rohit Sinha

        Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
        - Abraham Lincoln

        The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
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          Kant wrote: the prosperous and sophisticated German couple Well, money can't buy common sense and logic.
          Regards,

          Rohit Sinha

          Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
          - Abraham Lincoln

          The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
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          if the "richest country of the world" would only admit that :cool:

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            Good article from Washington Post. Article[^] Smith, the director of the American Academy, recalls the prosperous and sophisticated German couple who sat next to him on a recent train ride to Berlin. Creators of a successful pharmaceutical research company, they were the kind of people he assumed would be most comfortable with American ideas and values. Instead, he said, they railed against American arrogance and imperial ambitions and refused to concede there might be two sides to the argument. "I was making the case that if we go into Iraq and discover weapons of mass destruction, then the world would come to realize we'd been right," recalls Smith. "And they told me, 'If that happens, it's only because the CIA planted them.' I was floored." Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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            Isn#t your title a blatant gemeralization? :cool:

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              Good article from Washington Post. Article[^] Smith, the director of the American Academy, recalls the prosperous and sophisticated German couple who sat next to him on a recent train ride to Berlin. Creators of a successful pharmaceutical research company, they were the kind of people he assumed would be most comfortable with American ideas and values. Instead, he said, they railed against American arrogance and imperial ambitions and refused to concede there might be two sides to the argument. "I was making the case that if we go into Iraq and discover weapons of mass destruction, then the world would come to realize we'd been right," recalls Smith. "And they told me, 'If that happens, it's only because the CIA planted them.' I was floored." Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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              Kant wrote: "I was making the case that if we go into Iraq and discover weapons of mass destruction, then the world would come to realize we'd been right," recalls Smith. "And they told me, 'If that happens, it's only because the CIA planted them.' I was floored." That is absurd. Saddam has or had WMDs he should not have. He is not accounting for them or their destruction, and according to that 1441 resolution he should now be in some prison with UN troops in Baghdad. Anyone who believes otherwise is not helping anybody. I am still against war but we all agreed to 1441 and we must now stick to what we said. The point is not wether Saddam has any WMDs IMO. This is like trying to get proof that Mugabe has committed human rights violations. Of course he has, but you won't get that proof soon enough to help anyone and the proof is not going to sway either side anyway. Stop talking, go to war, get it over with, regret it later.

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                if the "richest country of the world" would only admit that :cool:

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                peterchen wrote: if the "richest country of the world" would only admit that Theirs is bigger. Whatever it is, theirs is bigger. That is all that counts.

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                  if the "richest country of the world" would only admit that :cool:

                  Nur wer feige ist tötet Liebe durch das Wort allein
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                  <> Yes, you are right of course. I hope you understand that my comment was not directed at anyone or any country in particular, but was rather a general statement.
                  Regards,

                  Rohit Sinha

                  Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
                  - Abraham Lincoln

                  The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
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                    <> Yes, you are right of course. I hope you understand that my comment was not directed at anyone or any country in particular, but was rather a general statement.
                    Regards,

                    Rohit Sinha

                    Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
                    - Abraham Lincoln

                    The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
                    - Anonymous

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                    Rohit Sinha wrote: I hope you understand that my comment was not directed at anyone or any country in particular, but was rather a general statement. No problem here ;)

                    Nur wer feige ist tötet Liebe durch das Wort allein
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                      "I was floored." Mr. Smith is naive, he should spend a few days here at CP. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:

                      I'm not convinced that oil is the problem. I'm pretty sure we could fly over the Middle East and drop bags of money and they'd still want to kill us for blocking the view. - Scott Adams

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                      Mike Mullikin wrote: Mr. Smith is naive, he should spend a few days here at CP. LOL Yeah, even if the rest of the world is wrong, at least americuns at CP are a bit more worldly about it. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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                        Good article from Washington Post. Article[^] Smith, the director of the American Academy, recalls the prosperous and sophisticated German couple who sat next to him on a recent train ride to Berlin. Creators of a successful pharmaceutical research company, they were the kind of people he assumed would be most comfortable with American ideas and values. Instead, he said, they railed against American arrogance and imperial ambitions and refused to concede there might be two sides to the argument. "I was making the case that if we go into Iraq and discover weapons of mass destruction, then the world would come to realize we'd been right," recalls Smith. "And they told me, 'If that happens, it's only because the CIA planted them.' I was floored." Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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                        That's it, let's victimize the poor America, surrounded by bad people who don't understand its Grandeur Could we also have a look of the behaviour of the american press, and how they treat the others? For example, just some expressions in the US newspapers about France in the last days:"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys"[^], "the petulant prima donna of realpolitik", or about Chirac in the WallStreet Journal: "a positive monster of conceit", "the abject procurer for Saddam", "the rat that tried to roar". These "journalists" should know it's the better way to convince us we're right[^]. But as often, the depth of their ignorance is bottomless

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                          Good article from Washington Post. Article[^] Smith, the director of the American Academy, recalls the prosperous and sophisticated German couple who sat next to him on a recent train ride to Berlin. Creators of a successful pharmaceutical research company, they were the kind of people he assumed would be most comfortable with American ideas and values. Instead, he said, they railed against American arrogance and imperial ambitions and refused to concede there might be two sides to the argument. "I was making the case that if we go into Iraq and discover weapons of mass destruction, then the world would come to realize we'd been right," recalls Smith. "And they told me, 'If that happens, it's only because the CIA planted them.' I was floored." Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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                          That's nothing new. Mistrust of the US and its motives has been common in Europe for as long as I remember. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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                            That's it, let's victimize the poor America, surrounded by bad people who don't understand its Grandeur Could we also have a look of the behaviour of the american press, and how they treat the others? For example, just some expressions in the US newspapers about France in the last days:"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys"[^], "the petulant prima donna of realpolitik", or about Chirac in the WallStreet Journal: "a positive monster of conceit", "the abject procurer for Saddam", "the rat that tried to roar". These "journalists" should know it's the better way to convince us we're right[^]. But as often, the depth of their ignorance is bottomless

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                            That's journalists for you. The tabloid press in the UK are just as inflammatory. :mad: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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                              That's journalists for you. The tabloid press in the UK are just as inflammatory. :mad: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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                              Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: The tabloid press in the UK are just as inflammatory I've sometimes difficulties to differentiate UK tabloïds from US ones ;) I can't understand why so many people buy these ...things. Are they decerebrate or am I a f#cking arrogant?

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                                Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: The tabloid press in the UK are just as inflammatory I've sometimes difficulties to differentiate UK tabloïds from US ones ;) I can't understand why so many people buy these ...things. Are they decerebrate or am I a f#cking arrogant?

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                                I've never understood it either. :confused: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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                                  Good article from Washington Post. Article[^] Smith, the director of the American Academy, recalls the prosperous and sophisticated German couple who sat next to him on a recent train ride to Berlin. Creators of a successful pharmaceutical research company, they were the kind of people he assumed would be most comfortable with American ideas and values. Instead, he said, they railed against American arrogance and imperial ambitions and refused to concede there might be two sides to the argument. "I was making the case that if we go into Iraq and discover weapons of mass destruction, then the world would come to realize we'd been right," recalls Smith. "And they told me, 'If that happens, it's only because the CIA planted them.' I was floored." Follow live World Cup Cricket scores here[^]

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                                  When the French and/or the Germans are finally right about something, than we can start taking them seriously. Until then, they will simply have to be content with impressing each other with their take on civilization. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                    That's journalists for you. The tabloid press in the UK are just as inflammatory. :mad: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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                                    Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: The tabloid press in the UK are just as inflammatory I've to agree. When I saw some snippets from english 'newspapers' I didn't know whether to laugh or to cry. They describe France and Germany as if we were lepers. I don't understand why they ever need to strengthen misunderstandings and international disputes, leading to kind of hate and new prejudices among different (European) nations. I don't think our tabloid papers do better, but the English (and US) papers seem to have a more dangerous style. But for sure there're positive examples, too. For instance New York Times mentioning that the current situation is not only caused by France or Germany but also by Bush's 'either for us or against us' - theory.

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                                      Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: The tabloid press in the UK are just as inflammatory I've sometimes difficulties to differentiate UK tabloïds from US ones ;) I can't understand why so many people buy these ...things. Are they decerebrate or am I a f#cking arrogant?

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                                      KaЯl wrote: I can't understand why so many people buy these ...things I think the fact is that reading such 'papers' enables everyone, even people usually not being interested in politics, to have an opinion. The only problem is that many of them adapt the opinion of the newspaper, not really thinking about it. And should any discussion they're involved in lead to politics, they can express 'their' opinion. And others will agree, because their opinion was built by the same paper. This goes on, and all have the same things to complain about. And at the end all are very proud of themselves being part of a great, conform community.

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                                        When the French and/or the Germans are finally right about something, than we can start taking them seriously. Until then, they will simply have to be content with impressing each other with their take on civilization. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                        Stan Shannon wrote: When the French and/or the Germans are finally right about something, than we can start taking them seriously. Until then, they will simply have to be content with impressing each other with their take on civilization. Meeooowww! Getcha claws out Stan! ;) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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                                          Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: The tabloid press in the UK are just as inflammatory I've to agree. When I saw some snippets from english 'newspapers' I didn't know whether to laugh or to cry. They describe France and Germany as if we were lepers. I don't understand why they ever need to strengthen misunderstandings and international disputes, leading to kind of hate and new prejudices among different (European) nations. I don't think our tabloid papers do better, but the English (and US) papers seem to have a more dangerous style. But for sure there're positive examples, too. For instance New York Times mentioning that the current situation is not only caused by France or Germany but also by Bush's 'either for us or against us' - theory.

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                                          Let me guess...The Sun, The Daily Mail, News of the World,.... All the same I'm afraid. I have a particular bone to pick with the Daily Mail as there "opinions" on people like me are particularly insulting. :mad: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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