Anti-Americanism Takes Shape in Western Europe

ColinDavies

Mike Mullikin wrote: Mr. Smith is naive, he should spend a few days here at CP. LOL Yeah, even if the rest of the world is wrong, at least americuns at CP are a bit more worldly about it. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

KaRl

That's it, let's victimize the poor America, surrounded by bad people who don't understand its Grandeur Could we also have a look of the behaviour of the american press, and how they treat the others? For example, just some expressions in the US newspapers about France in the last days:"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys"[^], "the petulant prima donna of realpolitik", or about Chirac in the WallStreet Journal: "a positive monster of conceit", "the abject procurer for Saddam", "the rat that tried to roar". These "journalists" should know it's the better way to convince us we're right[^]. But as often, the depth of their ignorance is bottomless

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

That's nothing new. Mistrust of the US and its motives has been common in Europe for as long as I remember. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

That's journalists for you. The tabloid press in the UK are just as inflammatory. :mad: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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KaRl

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: The tabloid press in the UK are just as inflammatory I've sometimes difficulties to differentiate UK tabloïds from US ones ;) I can't understand why so many people buy these ...things. Are they decerebrate or am I a f#cking arrogant?

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

I've never understood it either. :confused: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Stan Shannon

When the French and/or the Germans are finally right about something, than we can start taking them seriously. Until then, they will simply have to be content with impressing each other with their take on civilization. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

HENDRIK R

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: The tabloid press in the UK are just as inflammatory I've to agree. When I saw some snippets from english 'newspapers' I didn't know whether to laugh or to cry. They describe France and Germany as if we were lepers. I don't understand why they ever need to strengthen misunderstandings and international disputes, leading to kind of hate and new prejudices among different (European) nations. I don't think our tabloid papers do better, but the English (and US) papers seem to have a more dangerous style. But for sure there're positive examples, too. For instance New York Times mentioning that the current situation is not only caused by France or Germany but also by Bush's 'either for us or against us' - theory.

HENDRIK R

KaЯl wrote: I can't understand why so many people buy these ...things I think the fact is that reading such 'papers' enables everyone, even people usually not being interested in politics, to have an opinion. The only problem is that many of them adapt the opinion of the newspaper, not really thinking about it. And should any discussion they're involved in lead to politics, they can express 'their' opinion. And others will agree, because their opinion was built by the same paper. This goes on, and all have the same things to complain about. And at the end all are very proud of themselves being part of a great, conform community.

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Stan Shannon wrote: When the French and/or the Germans are finally right about something, than we can start taking them seriously. Until then, they will simply have to be content with impressing each other with their take on civilization. Meeooowww! Getcha claws out Stan! ;) Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Let me guess...The Sun, The Daily Mail, News of the World,.... All the same I'm afraid. I have a particular bone to pick with the Daily Mail as there "opinions" on people like me are particularly insulting. :mad: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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HENDRIK R

Stan Shannon wrote: When the French and/or the Germans are finally right about something, than we can start taking them seriously. Until then, they will simply have to be content with impressing each other with their take on civilization. No offense;) : When the French and/or the Germans US are finally right about something, than we can start taking them seriously. Until then, they will simply have to be content with not impressing each other the whole world with their take on civilization.

KaRl

I rather think they use low level methods to attract people (naked girls, scandals, exposure of riches and famous private lifes) to then politically manipulate them. And, oh, surprise, what side of the political chess-board are they promoting?

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Stan Shannon

I'll be happy to compare and contrast the political/diplomatic history of the U.S. to that of Germany any day. For example, since the advent of U.S. hegemony, there has not been a single World war. How many did you guys start? (which we had to finish) ;P "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

Stan Shannon

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Getcha claws out Stan! The French and the German's bring out the worst in me. They always remind of Stanley Laurel's famous line: "Remember how dumb I used to be, I'm better now". "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

KaRl

Stan Shannon wrote: When the French and/or the Germans are finally right about something, than we can start taking them seriously You're talking about the French assistance to Washington[^], aren't you ? I also sometimes wonder if it was a mistake.

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

They'll probably say the same about you Stan. ;P I've been over to Germany several times, and I have to say it's one of the most pleasant places I've ever been. The people are generally very friendly, and in Berlin in particular the subculture is amazing. :) Have you ever been there? Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

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Stan Shannon

I'd say we have paid you back many times over. Just out of curiosity, how many causualties did the French sustain on American soil in the Revolution? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

HENDRIK R

First of all I think it doesn't make any sense to compare both nations as they had a completely different history, not only regarding war. Stan Shannon wrote: How many did you guys start? Let me think about it ... I can't remember any situation in which I started a war ;) OK, to be honest, yes, there'd been 2 wars initiated by German poiticians. But you can't disregard the European history. War had been a fundamental part of European politics for hundreds of years. And unfortunately some people adopted that way of governing, in case of WWII paired with insanity and more doubtable reasons than ever before. But do you think America had a peaceful history at all? What about the all the Indians killed or dispeled? What about centuries of slavery? Surely these didn't reach the dimension of WWI/WWII, but the reasons are the same questionable. And to come back to today's policy: preemptive war doesn't sound like political correctness, does it?

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KaЯl wrote: I rather think they use low level methods to attract people (naked girls, scandals, exposure of riches and famous private lifes) to then politically manipulate the Well, I think both are associated. You can only influence somebody when reaching him with your message - and the easiest way to reach people is the methods you mentioned. But I think the papers don't need much effords to 'manipulate' people - the people are doing it on their own, espacially if a news is sensational enough. And the papers aren't everytime interested in politics - what they want is high outsells, and politics is a capable method to reach that goal. Especially nowadays, when politics is number one topic of conversation. Influencing people sometimes is only a side-effect when people believe and adopt all the papers tell them. But that's too often the case.