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I have fallen in disgrace, I am programming in VB.NET

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    Vasily Tserekh
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    Now I have to keep a low profile, everyone in my neighbourhood will make fun of me For the record it was project at work and the client asked for that particular language

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      Now I have to keep a low profile, everyone in my neighbourhood will make fun of me For the record it was project at work and the client asked for that particular language

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      S Houghtelin
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      You'll meet a lot of nice folks you never knew existed under those rocks... Hold your head up son! You get paid to do what others are afraid to do. ;)

      It was broke, so I fixed it.

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        Now I have to keep a low profile, everyone in my neighbourhood will make fun of me For the record it was project at work and the client asked for that particular language

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        Rutvik Dave
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        If you ever need protection, I am talking about cowboy style gunslinger stuff.... JSOP is your guy. :-D

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          Now I have to keep a low profile, everyone in my neighbourhood will make fun of me For the record it was project at work and the client asked for that particular language

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          ljw1004
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          If anyone asks, tell them you're using VB.Net because you wanted a language with iterator lambdas, and C# doesn't support them...

          Function Range(min As Integer, max As Integer) As IEnumerable(Of Integer)
          If min>max Then Throw New RangeException()
          Return Iterator Function()
          For i = min To max
          Yield i
          Next
          End Function()
          End Function

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          • V Vasily Tserekh

            Now I have to keep a low profile, everyone in my neighbourhood will make fun of me For the record it was project at work and the client asked for that particular language

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            Pete OHanlon
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            There is nothing wrong in programming in VB.NET. It's a tool for developing apps with, and there's a lot of elitist claptrap surrounding people's opinions on it. One of the best developers I know wrote a lot of great apps with it. He ended up as a PM at Microsoft.

            *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

            "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

            CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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              There is nothing wrong in programming in VB.NET. It's a tool for developing apps with, and there's a lot of elitist claptrap surrounding people's opinions on it. One of the best developers I know wrote a lot of great apps with it. He ended up as a PM at Microsoft.

              *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

              "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

              CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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              S Houghtelin
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              Thanks Pete, I think some people need to hear that coming from someone of your level of expertise. VB is my bread and butter language and they pay me a decent wage for for doing so. I'm also the GoTo guy for converting legacy VB 6 apps to C# or VB.NET. I still have a spot in my heart for VB 6, but I haven't forgotten thr frusrations of debuggung applications with undeclared or loosely declared variables.

              It was broke, so I fixed it.

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              • V Vasily Tserekh

                Now I have to keep a low profile, everyone in my neighbourhood will make fun of me For the record it was project at work and the client asked for that particular language

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                PIEBALDconsult
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                I spent a year doing VB.net (that may be why my MVPhood hasn't recurred). I hope I never have to again, but if that's all I can get, I'll take it. It beats Java. :-D Shoot, I can't find the advice I got when I made a similar announcement, but it mentioned OPTION STRICT * and such. If you're a good developer, you can write good code in it. Just try to stay away from anything that is unique to VB. * Edit: /optionexplicit+ /optionstrict+ /optioninfer- http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=4096062[^]

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                • V Vasily Tserekh

                  Now I have to keep a low profile, everyone in my neighbourhood will make fun of me For the record it was project at work and the client asked for that particular language

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                  pt1401
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                  Hey, they're both development languages that precompile to IL. No big deal, there are some great VB programmers around. Don't ridicule the language because you prefer C# - personally it's my preference too, but a good developer should be comfortable writing in either, so look on it as time well spent.

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                    Thanks Pete, I think some people need to hear that coming from someone of your level of expertise. VB is my bread and butter language and they pay me a decent wage for for doing so. I'm also the GoTo guy for converting legacy VB 6 apps to C# or VB.NET. I still have a spot in my heart for VB 6, but I haven't forgotten thr frusrations of debuggung applications with undeclared or loosely declared variables.

                    It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                    AspDotNetDev
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                    S Houghtelin wrote:

                    I'm also the GoTo guy for converting legacy VB 6 apps

                    Make it stop! *Rocks back and forth in the fetal position in a dark corner.*

                    Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                      S Houghtelin wrote:

                      I'm also the GoTo guy for converting legacy VB 6 apps

                      Make it stop! *Rocks back and forth in the fetal position in a dark corner.*

                      Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                      S Houghtelin
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                      Is there

                      GoTo

                      Is there any other way to write that? :laugh:

                      It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                        Is there

                        GoTo

                        Is there any other way to write that? :laugh:

                        It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                        AspDotNetDev
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                        GoSub? :rolleyes:

                        Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                          Thanks Pete, I think some people need to hear that coming from someone of your level of expertise. VB is my bread and butter language and they pay me a decent wage for for doing so. I'm also the GoTo guy for converting legacy VB 6 apps to C# or VB.NET. I still have a spot in my heart for VB 6, but I haven't forgotten thr frusrations of debuggung applications with undeclared or loosely declared variables.

                          It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                          Mycroft Holmes
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                          S Houghtelin wrote:

                          I still have a spot in my heart for VB 6

                          Soft spot in the head more likely, while I spent much of the 90s steeped in VB I do prefer C# and I loathe HTML!

                          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                          • V Vasily Tserekh

                            Now I have to keep a low profile, everyone in my neighbourhood will make fun of me For the record it was project at work and the client asked for that particular language

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                            Roger Wright
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                            Wash your hands often, and gargle before meeting with anyone with an IQ over room temperature; you'll get through this. Hang on, it can't last forever...

                            Will Rogers never met me.

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                              Now I have to keep a low profile, everyone in my neighbourhood will make fun of me For the record it was project at work and the client asked for that particular language

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                              Sander Rossel
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                              Welcome to one of the nicest languages ever with some of the greatest flaws ever :D VB.NET isn't so bad once you get used to it. I prefer it over C#. Just enjoy not having to type (); manually at the end of each sentence... Or break; after each case of a switch statement, while falling through isn't allowed anyway... Or an opening and closing bracket after just about every other line of code... Just make sure you put Option Strict On and don't talk to VB programmers that have been around since the 90's ;p

                              It's an OO world.

                              public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
                              public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
                              }

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                              • V Vasily Tserekh

                                Now I have to keep a low profile, everyone in my neighbourhood will make fun of me For the record it was project at work and the client asked for that particular language

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                                Fred Flams
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                                Well, don't listen to all that crap. You can answer to those people that a language is nothing more than a tool to use to build stuff. If they dislike VB, then that's their propblem, not yours. If the job requires to use an old, gnarly and obscure tool (not that's what I think of VB, I used to develop everyday using VB6 and VBScript, and contributed to great apps developped with it and I still nurture a foundness for that good old time :(( ) that they don't know, tell them it is no reason to make fun of you. No on should be laughed at because they did their job as per spec, nobody chooses what they really want to do (not at a corporate level at least, if you are an indie, that an other story). Walk with your head straight and keep your hight esteem of yourself. If you are able to develop in many different languages and they don't, then you're definitely better than them.

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                                  There is nothing wrong in programming in VB.NET. It's a tool for developing apps with, and there's a lot of elitist claptrap surrounding people's opinions on it. One of the best developers I know wrote a lot of great apps with it. He ended up as a PM at Microsoft.

                                  *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                                  "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                                  CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier

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                                  Brendan Costigan
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                                  Wow ... Prime Minister of Microsoft!! Maybe that company is getting too big for its boots.

                                  All round good guy.

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                                    Welcome to one of the nicest languages ever with some of the greatest flaws ever :D VB.NET isn't so bad once you get used to it. I prefer it over C#. Just enjoy not having to type (); manually at the end of each sentence... Or break; after each case of a switch statement, while falling through isn't allowed anyway... Or an opening and closing bracket after just about every other line of code... Just make sure you put Option Strict On and don't talk to VB programmers that have been around since the 90's ;p

                                    It's an OO world.

                                    public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
                                    public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
                                    }

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                                    Tieske8
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                                    Couldn't agree more. A bad coder will write bad code in C# or any other language as well. It's the coder that makes the difference, not the language. fwiw; I like VB over C#, I hate all the curly braces. Especially when maintaining someoneelses code. I find it far easier to read VB code.

                                    Cigarettes are a lot like hamsters. Perfectly harmless, until you put it in your mouth and light it on fire.

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                                      Is there

                                      GoTo

                                      Is there any other way to write that? :laugh:

                                      It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                                      Rob Grainger
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                                      In English (as opposed to coding), that's two words.

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                                        S Houghtelin wrote:

                                        I still have a spot in my heart for VB 6

                                        Soft spot in the head more likely, while I spent much of the 90s steeped in VB I do prefer C# and I loathe HTML!

                                        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                        Rob Grainger
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                                        Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                        and I loathe HTML!

                                        You're in good company... Alan Kay Interview with Dr Dobbs[^] "The Browser - A Lament" - even the section title says it all really.

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                                        • F Fred Flams

                                          Well, don't listen to all that crap. You can answer to those people that a language is nothing more than a tool to use to build stuff. If they dislike VB, then that's their propblem, not yours. If the job requires to use an old, gnarly and obscure tool (not that's what I think of VB, I used to develop everyday using VB6 and VBScript, and contributed to great apps developped with it and I still nurture a foundness for that good old time :(( ) that they don't know, tell them it is no reason to make fun of you. No on should be laughed at because they did their job as per spec, nobody chooses what they really want to do (not at a corporate level at least, if you are an indie, that an other story). Walk with your head straight and keep your hight esteem of yourself. If you are able to develop in many different languages and they don't, then you're definitely better than them.

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                                          Rob Grainger
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                                          At least VB made visual design easy, HTML+JS is still a long way off on that front. I look at classic VB as similar to the position JavaScript is in now. While flawed, it enabled a whole new kind of application development. So many people queue up to knock VB, but just look at the god-awful, copy-and-paste-designed JS lurking behind many a web page and you'll find yourself wishing for a return to simpler days.

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