I would have to say...
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...that after bopping around various projects that I have that are in VS 2008, 2010 or 2012, I find VS2008 is the last usable IDE that Microsoft has put out. It didn't just go downhill from there (which I know some think has been the overall trend since VS BC 1), no, the usability and presentation fell off the f***ing cliff. While VS2010 sort of hit a landing halfway down, VS2012 is lying at the bottom of the ravine in a broken pile of pathetic performance and butt ugly presentation. Hopefully the monsoons will come and wash this eye sore away some time soon. Marc
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My BlogConcur. I keep my copy of VS2008 under lock and key. For the kind of stuff I do on my own I don't see a point in retooling to 2010 or later. I develop primarily desktop and web applications for my own use and to give to friends and family now. For my personal use I'm off the upgrade wagon both with my O/S and my development tools. The stuff I have works fine. -CB
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...that after bopping around various projects that I have that are in VS 2008, 2010 or 2012, I find VS2008 is the last usable IDE that Microsoft has put out. It didn't just go downhill from there (which I know some think has been the overall trend since VS BC 1), no, the usability and presentation fell off the f***ing cliff. While VS2010 sort of hit a landing halfway down, VS2012 is lying at the bottom of the ravine in a broken pile of pathetic performance and butt ugly presentation. Hopefully the monsoons will come and wash this eye sore away some time soon. Marc
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My BlogA perfect truth! Despite having the rights to upgrade (downgrade!) to 2012 no one in our company wants to move from 2008, it works well - no correction it works very well! Just wish we had C++ 11 with it. Microsoft stopped listening a long time ago to its users and until they rectify that they will be on a downward spiral!
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...that after bopping around various projects that I have that are in VS 2008, 2010 or 2012, I find VS2008 is the last usable IDE that Microsoft has put out. It didn't just go downhill from there (which I know some think has been the overall trend since VS BC 1), no, the usability and presentation fell off the f***ing cliff. While VS2010 sort of hit a landing halfway down, VS2012 is lying at the bottom of the ravine in a broken pile of pathetic performance and butt ugly presentation. Hopefully the monsoons will come and wash this eye sore away some time soon. Marc
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My BlogI've been programming professionally since 2000. I've always used the latest version VS and I've always found the new versions to be improvements over previous versions. VS 2012 being no exception. Performance has never been an issue for me because I've always kept my computers up to date with Moore's law. Not that any version has ever been perfect. And there are some annoyances which persist through all versions. But VS is a tool, nothing more. And a good craftsman knows his tools and how to get the most out of them. Regarding VS 2012, if gray isn't your thing, then use the Color Theme Editor extension to get some color back. I did this for a while, but have since switched back to gray. After getting used to the IDEA of it, I find it is true what they say - that the gray is less distracting of what I am actually trying to do, which is get some code written.
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...that after bopping around various projects that I have that are in VS 2008, 2010 or 2012, I find VS2008 is the last usable IDE that Microsoft has put out. It didn't just go downhill from there (which I know some think has been the overall trend since VS BC 1), no, the usability and presentation fell off the f***ing cliff. While VS2010 sort of hit a landing halfway down, VS2012 is lying at the bottom of the ravine in a broken pile of pathetic performance and butt ugly presentation. Hopefully the monsoons will come and wash this eye sore away some time soon. Marc
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My BlogFor the projects I have worked on, VS2008 was the gold standard. It was the right balance of performance and was relatively lean and stable. Especially with the nighmares our team experienced with VS2005. VS2010 isn't bad, I hate it's sloth like performance and bloat. Some of the little things that were taken out as a result of their WPF agenda (ie. native code printing in color). The intellisense improvements, SQL improvments, and Extension ecosystem however make 2010 the overall most "productive" version for me. The Extensions add to the bloat but hey, if you can't beat em, join em right? I will be migrating a couple small projects to VS2012 in the coming months. My initial tinkering seems that VS2012 is maybe a tick more responsive than 2010. Maybe there is something to all that flat and drab UI. I just have to get past the distractions of what MS has told me is what I asked for as a better way for me to get work done.
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...that after bopping around various projects that I have that are in VS 2008, 2010 or 2012, I find VS2008 is the last usable IDE that Microsoft has put out. It didn't just go downhill from there (which I know some think has been the overall trend since VS BC 1), no, the usability and presentation fell off the f***ing cliff. While VS2010 sort of hit a landing halfway down, VS2012 is lying at the bottom of the ravine in a broken pile of pathetic performance and butt ugly presentation. Hopefully the monsoons will come and wash this eye sore away some time soon. Marc
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My BlogI don't mind 2010 at all, though it is definitely slower than 2008. Overall I think it's more stable. I still haven't been able to adjust to 2012 and I'm the first to admit it's due to the colour scheme and CAPITAL LETTERS. I've tried using the colour scheme add-on, but I'd be happier if I could just apply the 2010 skin to it.
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...that after bopping around various projects that I have that are in VS 2008, 2010 or 2012, I find VS2008 is the last usable IDE that Microsoft has put out. It didn't just go downhill from there (which I know some think has been the overall trend since VS BC 1), no, the usability and presentation fell off the f***ing cliff. While VS2010 sort of hit a landing halfway down, VS2012 is lying at the bottom of the ravine in a broken pile of pathetic performance and butt ugly presentation. Hopefully the monsoons will come and wash this eye sore away some time soon. Marc
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My BlogVS 6. When MS introduced .NET, the speed of the code generated seemed to degrade. Ditto for the GUI. I use VS 6 at home, and find it to be much faster and more responsive even on a slower computer. Comparing VS 6 with VS 2010 is on my to-do list. I suspect VS 2010 may generate faster code for the latest processors.
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...that after bopping around various projects that I have that are in VS 2008, 2010 or 2012, I find VS2008 is the last usable IDE that Microsoft has put out. It didn't just go downhill from there (which I know some think has been the overall trend since VS BC 1), no, the usability and presentation fell off the f***ing cliff. While VS2010 sort of hit a landing halfway down, VS2012 is lying at the bottom of the ravine in a broken pile of pathetic performance and butt ugly presentation. Hopefully the monsoons will come and wash this eye sore away some time soon. Marc
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My BlogI find Visual Studio 2012 fast to use (although I have to admit that I have a relatively powerful laptop), my only complain is the uppercase in the menus, but this is easily ignored (I don't look at the menus very often), regarding the color scheme of the application, Visual Studio is just a tool, so I don't care how it looks, as long as it's usable (which it is).
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I hope I'll never have to use VS 2010, way too slow to launch. Fortunately, I won't use 2012 soon since installing the beta broke my system so much that it became perfectly impossible to uninstall/repair/install or whatever. The little I saw of it shows it grew more monstruous than the former. I have worked a lot with VS 2003 and still use it as my main development platform, even though it has several irritating features such as very sloooow debugging. VS 2008 is cool too. Globally speaking, these IDE are marvels. My only regrets are that GUI applications often resist to debugging by not getting you to the very crash location (see what I mean ?). And that the Profiler went away from the standard version. I still love VC6 for being so fast. For a daily usage, little of VC has changed over the successive versions. In recent months, I have used Eclipse a lot more. It doesn't stand the comparison.
... You're saying you won't use 2012 because the *beta* broke your system? :wtf:
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... You're saying you won't use 2012 because the *beta* broke your system? :wtf:
The beta 2012 (back in early 2012 ?) broke something in some persistent settings, making it impossible to uninstall or install on my machine (more precisely, vs_professional.exe crashes as soon as launched). I have spent a lot of time trying to fix that, to no avail. Too much time. I'll wait until I get a new PC.
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I have not made it to VS2012 yet, but I understand it is not quite as slow as VS2010. Occasionally (a lot more than I would like to admit), I have to go back and do some work in good old Visual C++ 6. After working a whole day in VS2010 on our large projects, the speed (or un-sluggishness) of VC6 almost make you want to cry. Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
This is so true. I switched over to VS2010 from VC6 and was wondering where the performance went. I still find myself opening VC6 to just quickly edit something. All these fancy things are nice, but boy the waiting. Try pressing F12 on a symbol in a LARGE project. You can have two cups of coffee before the dev environment comes back with a result.
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In terms of the IDE itself - without a doubt VS2008. We've used it for Visual Lint since upgrading from VS2003, and the experience has been pretty painless and very productive. However, we're now getting to the point where we really need to start using the serious C++ 11 stuff, so an upgrade to VS2012 is in order. My eyes will probably never forgive me.
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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Just make sure that is supports the C++11 stuff you want to use :laugh: I was quite surprised at what it still doesn't support.
I'm very aware of that...and if it falls short, the Intel compiler is still an option.
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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...that after bopping around various projects that I have that are in VS 2008, 2010 or 2012, I find VS2008 is the last usable IDE that Microsoft has put out. It didn't just go downhill from there (which I know some think has been the overall trend since VS BC 1), no, the usability and presentation fell off the f***ing cliff. While VS2010 sort of hit a landing halfway down, VS2012 is lying at the bottom of the ravine in a broken pile of pathetic performance and butt ugly presentation. Hopefully the monsoons will come and wash this eye sore away some time soon. Marc
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I have read the thread but nobody says whether they are getting these performances on a 32 or 64 bit platform. Wouldn't this potentially make some difference. ... and be interesting.
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I have read the thread but nobody says whether they are getting these performances on a 32 or 64 bit platform.
I'm running on an 8GB, 6 core (AMD) 64-bit machine. Marc
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This is so true. I switched over to VS2010 from VC6 and was wondering where the performance went. I still find myself opening VC6 to just quickly edit something. All these fancy things are nice, but boy the waiting. Try pressing F12 on a symbol in a LARGE project. You can have two cups of coffee before the dev environment comes back with a result.
Performance on VS2010 really sucks. You really notice it when running on a netbook. Get 2008 Express while you still can. On my netbook, 2008 is ready in 3 seconds. 2010 takes about 20 seconds before the splash screen comes up and almost 2 minutes before visual studio is ready to use.