Is it only me, or ...
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Good examples ...
Phil J Pearson wrote:
Producing and modifying on-the-fly finger sketches to discuss ideas and concepts with myself or other people.
Something that's probably quie useful - I used to use tablet PC with a 12"1 screen for similar purposes - it also had Oracle RDBMS and SQL Server installed.
Phil J Pearson wrote:
I do use my tablet from time to time for real stuff,
Which shows that it's possible to do something on a tablet, but it is somewhat cumbersome, which is why you prefer working on a PC ...
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Espen Harlinn wrote:
Which shows that it's possible to do something on a tablet, but it is somewhat cumbersome, which is why you prefer working on a PC ...
That's not entirely true or fair. While I would prefer to be doing remote access (for example) from a PC I wouldn't want to hold my PC in front of a customer (while we stand on a factory floor) and try to draw on it with my finger. I don't try to do software development at all on my tablet. The devices have very different strengths and some area of overlap.
Phil
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Apparently this is supposed to illustrate the benefits of mobile, keyboard less devices: 37 Percent of PC Users Migrate Activities to Mobile Devices, According to The NPD Group – NPD.com[^] I read this as illustrating that a lot of people are spending a significant part of their days on Facebook, and if they are browsing from a tablet, or phone, I kind of doubt that this has much to do with work … Perhaps it’s just me, but I still find it hard to imagine that people do their work on tablets and smartphones – so is there anybody here that uses tablets or smartphones to actually do anything?
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The headline is misleading. It should read "37 Percent of PC Users Migrate Some Activities to Mobile Devices, According to The NPD Group", the word "Some" being the important modifier. The chart indicates that those activities are, in order, browsing, Facebook, free games/read (for phones the last is upload photos). Upload photos is a no-duh in many ways since if you take pictures with your phone, you'll probably want to share them. At various places I've worked in the past few years, people use tablets to take notes and to deal with their email, but that's about it.
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Yes, I do real things with mine. Most of my real work is done on a desktop or laptop PC but I do use my tablet from time to time for real stuff, For example:
- Remote access to customer's machines when I don't happen to be near enough to a PC. I recently fixed a configuration problem on a machine in China using my tablet from the breakfast table of my hotel in Sweden.
- Note taking in meetings (I avoid meetings like the plague but if I have to be in one at least I can do real stuff on my tablet in between note taking without anyone realising).
- Producing and modifying on-the-fly finger sketches to discuss ideas and concepts with myself or other people.
That's all apart from the obvious stuff like email, useful web browsing (i.e. not Farcebook etc.), navigation, access to documents, creating draft documents, Skype and so on.
Phil
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I use a tablet for note taking and doing sketches for project plans, etc. It's a paper tablet, it has a wonderful analog interface (pen or pencil, fingers don't work with this model) and a page memory system that doesn't need any power. No back-lighting but is easily read under full sunlight or via normal room lighting - or a torch (a flashlight for American readers). Since I never pay attention to any written notes from a meeting afterwards since the act of writing locks them into my own memory it doesn't matter that the search algorithm consists of: 1. look at page, 2. is that the note I am looking for? 3. Yes --> stop; otherwise flip to next page and goto 1.
- Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits. - Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most. - I vaguely remember having a good memory...
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Espen Harlinn wrote:
Which shows that it's possible to do something on a tablet, but it is somewhat cumbersome, which is why you prefer working on a PC ...
That's not entirely true or fair. While I would prefer to be doing remote access (for example) from a PC I wouldn't want to hold my PC in front of a customer (while we stand on a factory floor) and try to draw on it with my finger. I don't try to do software development at all on my tablet. The devices have very different strengths and some area of overlap.
Phil
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Phil J Pearson wrote:
I wouldn't want to hold my PC in front of a customer (while we stand on a factory floor) and try to draw on it with my finger.
Fair point, and if I had a choice, I'd use something like : XPS 12 Convertible Touch Screen Ultrabook[^]
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The headline is misleading. It should read "37 Percent of PC Users Migrate Some Activities to Mobile Devices, According to The NPD Group", the word "Some" being the important modifier. The chart indicates that those activities are, in order, browsing, Facebook, free games/read (for phones the last is upload photos). Upload photos is a no-duh in many ways since if you take pictures with your phone, you'll probably want to share them. At various places I've worked in the past few years, people use tablets to take notes and to deal with their email, but that's about it.
Joe Woodbury wrote:
"Some" being the important modifier.
Very important - perhaps somebody would care to mention this to Steve "Me Too™" Ballmer.
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
"Some" being the important modifier.
Very important - perhaps somebody would care to mention this to Steve "Me Too™" Ballmer.
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Espen Harlinn wrote:
Very important - perhaps somebody would care to mention this to Steve "Me Too™" Ballmer.
I'd like the Microsoft board to say "you're fired" to Mr. Ballmer.
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I use a tablet for note taking and doing sketches for project plans, etc. It's a paper tablet, it has a wonderful analog interface (pen or pencil, fingers don't work with this model) and a page memory system that doesn't need any power. No back-lighting but is easily read under full sunlight or via normal room lighting - or a torch (a flashlight for American readers). Since I never pay attention to any written notes from a meeting afterwards since the act of writing locks them into my own memory it doesn't matter that the search algorithm consists of: 1. look at page, 2. is that the note I am looking for? 3. Yes --> stop; otherwise flip to next page and goto 1.
- Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits. - Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most. - I vaguely remember having a good memory...
Cue T'Pau: "These were the old ways, from the beginning..."
Software Zen:
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Apparently this is supposed to illustrate the benefits of mobile, keyboard less devices: 37 Percent of PC Users Migrate Activities to Mobile Devices, According to The NPD Group – NPD.com[^] I read this as illustrating that a lot of people are spending a significant part of their days on Facebook, and if they are browsing from a tablet, or phone, I kind of doubt that this has much to do with work … Perhaps it’s just me, but I still find it hard to imagine that people do their work on tablets and smartphones – so is there anybody here that uses tablets or smartphones to actually do anything?
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
I'm innocent. Perhaps you should ask that Zombie who bumped into me half an hour ago, who could not even catch his next train without running around with one of those things in his face. I don't hever want to end up running around holding most of my brain in the hands.
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Yes, I do real things with mine. Most of my real work is done on a desktop or laptop PC but I do use my tablet from time to time for real stuff, For example:
- Remote access to customer's machines when I don't happen to be near enough to a PC. I recently fixed a configuration problem on a machine in China using my tablet from the breakfast table of my hotel in Sweden.
- Note taking in meetings (I avoid meetings like the plague but if I have to be in one at least I can do real stuff on my tablet in between note taking without anyone realising).
- Producing and modifying on-the-fly finger sketches to discuss ideas and concepts with myself or other people.
That's all apart from the obvious stuff like email, useful web browsing (i.e. not Farcebook etc.), navigation, access to documents, creating draft documents, Skype and so on.
Phil
The opinions expressed in this post are not necessarily those of the author, especially if you find them impolite, inaccurate or inflammatory.
Phil J Pearson wrote:
Producing and modifying on-the-fly finger sketches to discuss ideas and concepts with myself or other people.
Thats a good one, My Galaxy Note 10.1 is really good for this with the stylus. I can take a screen shot of our product and sketch on it to do mockups and what not.
CPallini wrote:
You cannot argue with agile people so just take the extreme approach and shoot him. :Smile:
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Apparently this is supposed to illustrate the benefits of mobile, keyboard less devices: 37 Percent of PC Users Migrate Activities to Mobile Devices, According to The NPD Group – NPD.com[^] I read this as illustrating that a lot of people are spending a significant part of their days on Facebook, and if they are browsing from a tablet, or phone, I kind of doubt that this has much to do with work … Perhaps it’s just me, but I still find it hard to imagine that people do their work on tablets and smartphones – so is there anybody here that uses tablets or smartphones to actually do anything?
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
Almost a month ago there was this same discussion about that here...http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/4475107/iPads-tablets-Does-anyone-use-them-for-WORK-Or-any.aspx[^] (This link is a FYI so you can see what others have posted back then.) I have a buddy who works in a field where he needs to do inventory practically every day. The place where he does inventory has no wireless and does not have a company laptop. He writes all the info on a piece of paper and then enters the info on a desktop computer. He now uses his phone to enter in all the info which sends the data to a server (company app). This saves him so much time in his busy work schedule. There are certain scenarios where tablets and phones are very practical to use in a work environment. For me in my work environment it is not practical at all. If a co-worker has one it is most likely for entertainment purposes and not work related. My thoughts.
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Almost a month ago there was this same discussion about that here...http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/4475107/iPads-tablets-Does-anyone-use-them-for-WORK-Or-any.aspx[^] (This link is a FYI so you can see what others have posted back then.) I have a buddy who works in a field where he needs to do inventory practically every day. The place where he does inventory has no wireless and does not have a company laptop. He writes all the info on a piece of paper and then enters the info on a desktop computer. He now uses his phone to enter in all the info which sends the data to a server (company app). This saves him so much time in his busy work schedule. There are certain scenarios where tablets and phones are very practical to use in a work environment. For me in my work environment it is not practical at all. If a co-worker has one it is most likely for entertainment purposes and not work related. My thoughts.
Thanks for the link :-D
Clark Kent123 wrote:
he needs to do inventory practically every day
You will not find me arguing that tablets/smartphones are useless, far from it - they are just getting a "tad" more attention then they deserve. I also feel that there are sides to the technologies, particularly in relation to security, that needs to mature. It's not that I find standards like WS-Security flawed, just that it's often not deployed properly. Not that this isn't a problem on the PC side, but the new os'es running on wireless devices are even harder to secure, or rather the communication between those devices and the servers - and IT departments are struggling to keep up. While it's possible to enable Kerberos, Digest and NTLM authentication for Chromium[^] - many IT departments are, appearantly, not aware of the feature.
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I have a friend that is after me because I do not have a smart phone. I look at the cost of data plans and figure I can do better things with that money. Of course there are times that it would be nice, but that would likely also mean that I would have to be able to find my reading glasses, and that seems problomatic. I hate having to wear glasses. Sucks getting old.
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Rage wrote:
Damn, where are these guys, then ?
Oh, they went where the rails took them ...
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Maybe in heaven?
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I don't. I try to do as litle on my phone as possible.
Like that.
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Maybe in heaven?
Clifford Nelson wrote:
Maybe in heaven?
When you try walking on air, it may feel like that for a short while - who knows what happens afterwards ...
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Maximilien wrote:
The large majority
Which majority is that? Most people are not carpenters, electricans, cooks, warehoude workers, etc. In our part of the world, most people shuffle papers, write reports, etc. the stuff that's called office work ...
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
Those are the lucky people that have reasonably well paying jobs. There are all the people that wait tables, bus boys, dish washers, sit around the airport with TSA on their uniforms, on in their car with "Police" on the outside, do deliveries, sales clerks... And of course the unemployed (I mean all unemployed, not just the few official unemployed, retired... Of course they do not get paid much, so the cell companies are taking a good chunk of thier paycheck to provide service for that smart device.
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Where is this 'large majority' hiding away? And what is that majority of work which doesn't require a computer, but can be done on a tablet or mobile phone?
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
wait tables, sales clerks, bank clerks, delivery, security... Of course some work with specialized devices, and do not otherwise need a computer except for personal needs.
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Espen Harlinn wrote:
Which shows that it's possible to do something on a tablet, but it is somewhat cumbersome, which is why you prefer working on a PC ...
That's not entirely true or fair. While I would prefer to be doing remote access (for example) from a PC I wouldn't want to hold my PC in front of a customer (while we stand on a factory floor) and try to draw on it with my finger. I don't try to do software development at all on my tablet. The devices have very different strengths and some area of overlap.
Phil
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Yes, but you would prefer to be able to use a real computer and order the person to your desk. Probably not practical though.
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Those are the lucky people that have reasonably well paying jobs. There are all the people that wait tables, bus boys, dish washers, sit around the airport with TSA on their uniforms, on in their car with "Police" on the outside, do deliveries, sales clerks... And of course the unemployed (I mean all unemployed, not just the few official unemployed, retired... Of course they do not get paid much, so the cell companies are taking a good chunk of thier paycheck to provide service for that smart device.
Clifford Nelson wrote:
Those are the lucky people that have reasonably well paying jobs.
Perhaps ...
Clifford Nelson wrote:
There are all the people that wait tables, bus boys, dish washers, sit around the airport with TSA on their uniforms, on in their car with "Police" on the outside, do deliveries, sales clerks...
Yes, you're right, that would also be occupations that could benefit from using a tablet based solution at work ...
Clifford Nelson wrote:
cell companies are taking a good chunk of thier paycheck to provide service for that smart device.
This will get you on the Internet Ubislate 7ci[^]
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Clifford Nelson wrote:
Those are the lucky people that have reasonably well paying jobs.
Perhaps ...
Clifford Nelson wrote:
There are all the people that wait tables, bus boys, dish washers, sit around the airport with TSA on their uniforms, on in their car with "Police" on the outside, do deliveries, sales clerks...
Yes, you're right, that would also be occupations that could benefit from using a tablet based solution at work ...
Clifford Nelson wrote:
cell companies are taking a good chunk of thier paycheck to provide service for that smart device.
This will get you on the Internet Ubislate 7ci[^]
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
These people have little need to have a general purpose computer as part of their jobs, but the internet is fairly important for everybody in their personal life for email, and to get information. It use to be that these people often had no access to an office phone, so were basically disconnected. For them cell phones have been great, especially if they have a job where they are mostly idle. Smart phones (and if they have space, a tablet), of course, give them even more connectivity for things like email. I do dancing, and some of the dj's use tablets, which works perfectly for that application also.