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Pope Benedict set to resign at the end of the month. Source[^]. This is meant to be a neutral news item from me - it's not intended to kick off a religious/atheist debate, but I've posted it here because I know that trying to keep the kiddies from having a go at each other is futile.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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Pope Benedict set to resign at the end of the month. Source[^]. This is meant to be a neutral news item from me - it's not intended to kick off a religious/atheist debate, but I've posted it here because I know that trying to keep the kiddies from having a go at each other is futile.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierPerhaps pronouncing on the virtue of poverty while wearing a gold plated hat finally got to be too much of a strain. A younger man may be required in order to hold up the hat long enough to reach the end of the script.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Pope Benedict set to resign at the end of the month. Source[^]. This is meant to be a neutral news item from me - it's not intended to kick off a religious/atheist debate, but I've posted it here because I know that trying to keep the kiddies from having a go at each other is futile.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierSays he didn't want to be Pope in the first place, and was looking forward to retirement when the last fella died. Can a prospective Pope turn it down? Seems to my very limited knowledge and some quick reading there is something of a lack of candidates at the top end of the organisation. I wonder if it might be a good gig to try and get in on. I quite like religion, the pomp and ceremony, the costumes and buildings and so on. It is the faith bit I have a complete lack of. I've bluffed my way through tougher interviews though.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends. Shed Petition[^]
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Says he didn't want to be Pope in the first place, and was looking forward to retirement when the last fella died. Can a prospective Pope turn it down? Seems to my very limited knowledge and some quick reading there is something of a lack of candidates at the top end of the organisation. I wonder if it might be a good gig to try and get in on. I quite like religion, the pomp and ceremony, the costumes and buildings and so on. It is the faith bit I have a complete lack of. I've bluffed my way through tougher interviews though.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends. Shed Petition[^]
ChrisElston wrote:
It is the faith bit I have a complete lack of
Ahh, in that case you want to be the Archbishop of Canterbury.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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ChrisElston wrote:
It is the faith bit I have a complete lack of
Ahh, in that case you want to be the Archbishop of Canterbury.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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Says he didn't want to be Pope in the first place, and was looking forward to retirement when the last fella died. Can a prospective Pope turn it down? Seems to my very limited knowledge and some quick reading there is something of a lack of candidates at the top end of the organisation. I wonder if it might be a good gig to try and get in on. I quite like religion, the pomp and ceremony, the costumes and buildings and so on. It is the faith bit I have a complete lack of. I've bluffed my way through tougher interviews though.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends. Shed Petition[^]
If it's anything like the CoE, a claim of not wanting the job in the first place is very common, that way it's all God's will against one's own judgement. Some people may actually believe this, but for most my guess is this is just how the game is played. According to this[^] turning down the job is possible but rare. Understandably given the way you get to dress in the height of Byzantine fashion. I wonder if the outgoing one is part of the conclave to elect the new one?
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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Pope Benedict set to resign at the end of the month. Source[^]. This is meant to be a neutral news item from me - it's not intended to kick off a religious/atheist debate, but I've posted it here because I know that trying to keep the kiddies from having a go at each other is futile.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierI've had the latest from our resident Cat Lick, Mrs Wife. This is a very interesting state as the man is selected by God [allegedly] it is not his choice to accept or decline the post. In the same vein only God can decide if he should stop doing the job - normally achieved through removal of privileges; breathing to start with. Now if he didn't want the job, then he's saying that God made the wrong choice, which makes God wrong and so He is fallible which totally refutes the Cat Lick teaching. On the other hand, if God chose the right man but he's decided to spend more time with his choristers, that still looks pretty shitty for Him. I will be very interested to hear what has to be said next Sunday at Mass. :laugh: :laugh:
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I've had the latest from our resident Cat Lick, Mrs Wife. This is a very interesting state as the man is selected by God [allegedly] it is not his choice to accept or decline the post. In the same vein only God can decide if he should stop doing the job - normally achieved through removal of privileges; breathing to start with. Now if he didn't want the job, then he's saying that God made the wrong choice, which makes God wrong and so He is fallible which totally refutes the Cat Lick teaching. On the other hand, if God chose the right man but he's decided to spend more time with his choristers, that still looks pretty shitty for Him. I will be very interested to hear what has to be said next Sunday at Mass. :laugh: :laugh:
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
I've read that a couple of times and all I can say is "my head hurts". I think I'll go and contemplate some quantum physics instead.
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I've read that a couple of times and all I can say is "my head hurts". I think I'll go and contemplate some quantum physics instead.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierLooks like the Papal Bull was a load of Horse...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Pope Benedict set to resign at the end of the month. Source[^]. This is meant to be a neutral news item from me - it's not intended to kick off a religious/atheist debate, but I've posted it here because I know that trying to keep the kiddies from having a go at each other is futile.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierRobbie Coltrane[^] is available
It's well known that if all the cat videos and porn disappeared from the internet there would be only one site left and it would be called whereareallthecatvideosandporn.com
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I've had the latest from our resident Cat Lick, Mrs Wife. This is a very interesting state as the man is selected by God [allegedly] it is not his choice to accept or decline the post. In the same vein only God can decide if he should stop doing the job - normally achieved through removal of privileges; breathing to start with. Now if he didn't want the job, then he's saying that God made the wrong choice, which makes God wrong and so He is fallible which totally refutes the Cat Lick teaching. On the other hand, if God chose the right man but he's decided to spend more time with his choristers, that still looks pretty shitty for Him. I will be very interested to hear what has to be said next Sunday at Mass. :laugh: :laugh:
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
He'll use the usual religious get-out - God told me to do it!
It's well known that if all the cat videos and porn disappeared from the internet there would be only one site left and it would be called whereareallthecatvideosandporn.com
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Pope Benedict set to resign at the end of the month. Source[^]. This is meant to be a neutral news item from me - it's not intended to kick off a religious/atheist debate, but I've posted it here because I know that trying to keep the kiddies from having a go at each other is futile.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierWell, I can't help but think that there is some invisible political agenda going on which will of course be leaked at some point. On the other hand, if what he speaks the truth: However, in today's world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to steer the boat of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me. then he has my respect - it's rare for someone to admit that. Then again, Nagy's post is an interesting counter-point, but I also think that if the Pope is chosen by God's will, it doesn't take away Man's freedom to be humble and declare himself unfit for that calling. Marc
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I've had the latest from our resident Cat Lick, Mrs Wife. This is a very interesting state as the man is selected by God [allegedly] it is not his choice to accept or decline the post. In the same vein only God can decide if he should stop doing the job - normally achieved through removal of privileges; breathing to start with. Now if he didn't want the job, then he's saying that God made the wrong choice, which makes God wrong and so He is fallible which totally refutes the Cat Lick teaching. On the other hand, if God chose the right man but he's decided to spend more time with his choristers, that still looks pretty shitty for Him. I will be very interested to hear what has to be said next Sunday at Mass. :laugh: :laugh:
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
As the original poster said I am not trying to start a debate. Here is some food for thought. Path to the Papacy[^] A look at how the Pope is chosen. The new elected Pope can indeed decline the position. However, Blessed John Paul II has offered this bit of advice
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"I also ask the one who is elected not to refuse, for fear of its weight, the office to which he has been called, but to submit humbly to the design of the divine will. God who imposes the burden will sustain him with his hand, so that he will be able to bear it. In conferring the heavy task upon him, God will also help him to accomplish it and, in giving him the dignity, he will grant him the strength not to be overwhelmed by the weight of his office."
It is a very difficult position to fill. You are indeed correct that all Popes including the first one Peter himself are fallible. Heck, we all are. I also would like to hear what he has to say in his next homily.
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Pope Benedict set to resign at the end of the month. Source[^]. This is meant to be a neutral news item from me - it's not intended to kick off a religious/atheist debate, but I've posted it here because I know that trying to keep the kiddies from having a go at each other is futile.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierMy understanding is that he was caught relieving himself in some nearby woodland and I also understand that the next pope is going to be a bear...
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Well, I can't help but think that there is some invisible political agenda going on which will of course be leaked at some point. On the other hand, if what he speaks the truth: However, in today's world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to steer the boat of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me. then he has my respect - it's rare for someone to admit that. Then again, Nagy's post is an interesting counter-point, but I also think that if the Pope is chosen by God's will, it doesn't take away Man's freedom to be humble and declare himself unfit for that calling. Marc
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My BlogIt is an interesting debate, but on the surface he is an old man and he feels that the Church will be better served by someone else. There is Canon Law that allows the pope to resign and it is, of course, through much prayer that these decisions are taken. [FYI I am not a Cat Lick, but URC which is probably as far away from Rome as you can be theologically, however dearest Mrs Wife is of that team and we are obliged [for her] to bring up the girls in the Cat Lick faith.] Tonight I may say to the girls: Vilmos: Who's the Pope? Girls: Benedict! V: Wrong! :laugh:
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I've had the latest from our resident Cat Lick, Mrs Wife. This is a very interesting state as the man is selected by God [allegedly] it is not his choice to accept or decline the post. In the same vein only God can decide if he should stop doing the job - normally achieved through removal of privileges; breathing to start with. Now if he didn't want the job, then he's saying that God made the wrong choice, which makes God wrong and so He is fallible which totally refutes the Cat Lick teaching. On the other hand, if God chose the right man but he's decided to spend more time with his choristers, that still looks pretty shitty for Him. I will be very interested to hear what has to be said next Sunday at Mass. :laugh: :laugh:
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Now if he didn't want the job, then he's saying that God made the wrong choice,....
My understanding is that this reasoning is flawed as it pre-supposes the conclave itself is infallible in determining the will of god. I suspect the only way not to take the position is to say that you don't believe the conclave has come to the right conclusion. There again I'm not RC, so it makes even less sense to me than it does to others.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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Pope Benedict set to resign at the end of the month. Source[^]. This is meant to be a neutral news item from me - it's not intended to kick off a religious/atheist debate, but I've posted it here because I know that trying to keep the kiddies from having a go at each other is futile.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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As the original poster said I am not trying to start a debate. Here is some food for thought. Path to the Papacy[^] A look at how the Pope is chosen. The new elected Pope can indeed decline the position. However, Blessed John Paul II has offered this bit of advice
Quote:
"I also ask the one who is elected not to refuse, for fear of its weight, the office to which he has been called, but to submit humbly to the design of the divine will. God who imposes the burden will sustain him with his hand, so that he will be able to bear it. In conferring the heavy task upon him, God will also help him to accomplish it and, in giving him the dignity, he will grant him the strength not to be overwhelmed by the weight of his office."
It is a very difficult position to fill. You are indeed correct that all Popes including the first one Peter himself are fallible. Heck, we all are. I also would like to hear what he has to say in his next homily.
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Popes including the first one Peter himself
Peter was a pope? No, he was an apostle. I think the first Pope was something of a couple hundred years later.
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Well, I can't help but think that there is some invisible political agenda going on which will of course be leaked at some point. On the other hand, if what he speaks the truth: However, in today's world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to steer the boat of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me. then he has my respect - it's rare for someone to admit that. Then again, Nagy's post is an interesting counter-point, but I also think that if the Pope is chosen by God's will, it doesn't take away Man's freedom to be humble and declare himself unfit for that calling. Marc
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My BlogAnything said by the clergy needs a special decoder ring or something, normally the basis of what has been said is true but the lines have gaps miles wide to fit the text that needs to be read between them. My guess is he's tired of fighting the paedophile scandals fall-out, and the probable pressure to end the celibacy that is seen as a contributing factor and the recruitment crisis this is causing. That said, I had the same gut reaction that there is something deeper behind this, but we'll never find out as the Vatican is excellent at keeping secrets. Never mind, here is a picture of a Pope[^]
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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Anything said by the clergy needs a special decoder ring or something, normally the basis of what has been said is true but the lines have gaps miles wide to fit the text that needs to be read between them. My guess is he's tired of fighting the paedophile scandals fall-out, and the probable pressure to end the celibacy that is seen as a contributing factor and the recruitment crisis this is causing. That said, I had the same gut reaction that there is something deeper behind this, but we'll never find out as the Vatican is excellent at keeping secrets. Never mind, here is a picture of a Pope[^]
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Keith Barrow wrote:
Anything said by the clergy needs a special decoder ring or something
And politicians! Which, in my esteemed opinion, are two sides of the same coin. Marc
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