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  • B Behzad Sedighzadeh

    I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?

    Behzad

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    Having tried to write C# on my Nexus 7, I suspect it may be a long, long time. At the moment, its frustrating, time consuming and more trouble that it's worth. Keyboard and mouse are still infinitely better than a touch-based system, although that is slowing changing. I suspect that non-contact methods will be next however, before touch based gets good enough to take us away from traditional inputs. Try using touch on Google Glass for example! :laugh:

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    • B Behzad Sedighzadeh

      I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?

      Behzad

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      That's going to be great. A constantly smeared screen, at least one well trained arm and a truly astronomical (tiny bits of information spaced lightyears apart) presentation.

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        That's going to be great. A constantly smeared screen, at least one well trained arm and a truly astronomical (tiny bits of information spaced lightyears apart) presentation.

        Sent from my BatComputer via HAL 9000 and M5

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        Touch based input, done right, is truly wonderful. But only for users, not developers, or writers, or anyone else who needs to input more than they read. Done badly, it's a total abortion. And the constantly smeared screen is a problem. But just stay away from the lounge while drinking coffee and you'll be fine. ;)

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          Touch based input, done right, is truly wonderful. But only for users, not developers, or writers, or anyone else who needs to input more than they read. Done badly, it's a total abortion. And the constantly smeared screen is a problem. But just stay away from the lounge while drinking coffee and you'll be fine. ;)

          If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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          But just stay away from the lounge while drinking coffee and you'll be fine.

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            Touch based input, done right, is truly wonderful. But only for users, not developers, or writers, or anyone else who needs to input more than they read. Done badly, it's a total abortion. And the constantly smeared screen is a problem. But just stay away from the lounge while drinking coffee and you'll be fine. ;)

            If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.

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            I have not felt any urge to go back to finger painting in the last four decades. I really don't see what all the hysteria is about. Not even as toys such device are of any interest to me. I prefer the strongest CPU and GPU I can get, the kinds that are responsible for half of my electricity bill. And then let's write some code that puts them to work.

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            • B Behzad Sedighzadeh

              I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?

              Behzad

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              Maximilien
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              My keyboard is touch centric !!! ;P

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                But just stay away from the lounge while drinking coffee and you'll be fine.

                You are obviously not an avid pr0n user :-O. Soren Madsen

                "When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty

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                SoMad wrote:

                You are obviously not an avid pr0n user

                The number of views for this video[^] is evidence to the contrary... (SFW)

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                • B Behzad Sedighzadeh

                  I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?

                  Behzad

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                  Andrew Rissing
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                  I'd see us moving to a voice integrated IDE sooner than a touch based one.

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                    I'd see us moving to a voice integrated IDE sooner than a touch based one.

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                    Just another reason to detest the person in the cube next to you :sigh:. Soren Madsen

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                    • B Behzad Sedighzadeh

                      I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?

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                      I'd rather plug a usb cable into a port right behind my ear and just do a one-time download of all the code in my head. These meat hooks at the end of the bendy flesh-tubes are nothing if not inefficient. Of course, my IDE will need some serious filtering built in. Especially when the hotty from Accounts Receivable walks by.

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                        I'd rather plug a usb cable into a port right behind my ear and just do a one-time download of all the code in my head. These meat hooks at the end of the bendy flesh-tubes are nothing if not inefficient. Of course, my IDE will need some serious filtering built in. Especially when the hotty from Accounts Receivable walks by.

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                        • B Behzad Sedighzadeh

                          I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?

                          Behzad

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                          GuyThiebaut
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                          What are the benefits of a touch-centric IDE in contrast to a mouse/keyboard IDE? I don't even find a mouse particularly efficient as in my personal experience a keyboard is faster than a mouse - I can hit hot keys much faster than I can right click and select a context menu or move the mouse cursor to a menu at the top of a screen. Outside of playing angry birds or scrolling through my email I don't see too many benefits with a touch based interface.

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                          • B Behzad Sedighzadeh

                            I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?

                            Behzad

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                            Gregory Gadow
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                            I doubt we will ever see a fully touch-based IDE, but we already have dev tools that operate similarly, such as SQL query generating interfaces. I don't think it will be a stretch that we will eventually see development environments where we drag-and-drop library icons into our apps rather than write reference calls, configure them using a graphical interface, and design workflows by drawing lines between pieces of already written code.

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                            • B Behzad Sedighzadeh

                              I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?

                              Behzad

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                              PIEBALDconsult
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                              Nothing beats a keyboard. And I didn't have carpal tunnel syndrome before using a mouse.

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                                I'd rather plug a usb cable into a port right behind my ear and just do a one-time download of all the code in my head. These meat hooks at the end of the bendy flesh-tubes are nothing if not inefficient. Of course, my IDE will need some serious filtering built in. Especially when the hotty from Accounts Receivable walks by.

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                                Vark111 wrote:

                                all the code in my head

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                                • B Behzad Sedighzadeh

                                  I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?

                                  Behzad

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                                  Super Lloyd
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                                  I don't think so... But a thought interface, that will be nice! ^^

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                                  • B Behzad Sedighzadeh

                                    I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?

                                    Behzad

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                                    Stefan_Lang
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                                    The problem with touch is that you have a choice of either raising your arms which is tiring over any period of time, or put your touchscreen down, which is tiring for your neck. Ergonomically, current touch based interfaces are a catastrophic failure. Also, the problem is that our own hands and fingers hide the very area we are pointing at, so we're losing a lot of precision. That is acceptable and reasonable for short-term use of handheld devices, but not for any extended time of professional use on either handheld or desktop devices. For that we need to separate the touch surface from the screen again: something like a touchpad, only with multi-touch recognition and a visible feedback of the current multipoint input on the screen. That said, we already have gesture driven interfaces, and I suspect that we'll get those before touch based interfaces ever get to the point of acceptance for professional use. Gestures don't hide the screen and don't come with the unergonomical requirement of touching the screen. that makes them considerably more acceptable right from the start. Too bad Peter O'Hanlon already chose a topic for the Ultimate Coder challenge, or we might have tried to talk him into developing a gesture based IDE ;)

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                                      Nothing beats a keyboard. And I didn't have carpal tunnel syndrome before using a mouse.

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                                      Stefan_Lang
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                                      Yes, I always thought that productive use of a keyboard precludes using a mouse. A combination of keyboard and mouse requires three hands to use efficiently - good thing developers are mutants... :doh:

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                                        I'd see us moving to a voice integrated IDE sooner than a touch based one.

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                                        It would have to be amazingly sophisticated to filter out all the swearing. Or is that just me? :-D

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                                          That's going to be great. A constantly smeared screen, at least one well trained arm and a truly astronomical (tiny bits of information spaced lightyears apart) presentation.

                                          Sent from my BatComputer via HAL 9000 and M5

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                                          CDP1802 wrote:

                                          A constantly smeared screen,

                                          I don't think that touch devices will have screens that you touch for very much longer.

                                          If it moves, compile it

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