Thouch-centric IDE? when we will see it?
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I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?
Behzad
I'd rather plug a usb cable into a port right behind my ear and just do a one-time download of all the code in my head. These meat hooks at the end of the bendy flesh-tubes are nothing if not inefficient. Of course, my IDE will need some serious filtering built in. Especially when the hotty from Accounts Receivable walks by.
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I'd rather plug a usb cable into a port right behind my ear and just do a one-time download of all the code in my head. These meat hooks at the end of the bendy flesh-tubes are nothing if not inefficient. Of course, my IDE will need some serious filtering built in. Especially when the hotty from Accounts Receivable walks by.
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I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?
Behzad
What are the benefits of a touch-centric IDE in contrast to a mouse/keyboard IDE? I don't even find a mouse particularly efficient as in my personal experience a keyboard is faster than a mouse - I can hit hot keys much faster than I can right click and select a context menu or move the mouse cursor to a menu at the top of a screen. Outside of playing angry birds or scrolling through my email I don't see too many benefits with a touch based interface.
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I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?
Behzad
I doubt we will ever see a fully touch-based IDE, but we already have dev tools that operate similarly, such as SQL query generating interfaces. I don't think it will be a stretch that we will eventually see development environments where we drag-and-drop library icons into our apps rather than write reference calls, configure them using a graphical interface, and design workflows by drawing lines between pieces of already written code.
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I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?
Behzad
Nothing beats a keyboard. And I didn't have carpal tunnel syndrome before using a mouse.
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I'd rather plug a usb cable into a port right behind my ear and just do a one-time download of all the code in my head. These meat hooks at the end of the bendy flesh-tubes are nothing if not inefficient. Of course, my IDE will need some serious filtering built in. Especially when the hotty from Accounts Receivable walks by.
Vark111 wrote:
all the code in my head
"But you must think in Russian; can you do that?"
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I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?
Behzad
I don't think so... But a thought interface, that will be nice! ^^
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I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?
Behzad
The problem with touch is that you have a choice of either raising your arms which is tiring over any period of time, or put your touchscreen down, which is tiring for your neck. Ergonomically, current touch based interfaces are a catastrophic failure. Also, the problem is that our own hands and fingers hide the very area we are pointing at, so we're losing a lot of precision. That is acceptable and reasonable for short-term use of handheld devices, but not for any extended time of professional use on either handheld or desktop devices. For that we need to separate the touch surface from the screen again: something like a touchpad, only with multi-touch recognition and a visible feedback of the current multipoint input on the screen. That said, we already have gesture driven interfaces, and I suspect that we'll get those before touch based interfaces ever get to the point of acceptance for professional use. Gestures don't hide the screen and don't come with the unergonomical requirement of touching the screen. that makes them considerably more acceptable right from the start. Too bad Peter O'Hanlon already chose a topic for the Ultimate Coder challenge, or we might have tried to talk him into developing a gesture based IDE ;)
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Nothing beats a keyboard. And I didn't have carpal tunnel syndrome before using a mouse.
Yes, I always thought that productive use of a keyboard precludes using a mouse. A combination of keyboard and mouse requires three hands to use efficiently - good thing developers are mutants... :doh:
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I'd see us moving to a voice integrated IDE sooner than a touch based one.
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That's going to be great. A constantly smeared screen, at least one well trained arm and a truly astronomical (tiny bits of information spaced lightyears apart) presentation.
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I'd see us moving to a voice integrated IDE sooner than a touch based one.
I don't think things like the "minority report" style of working are too far off. Might be a variation, but I know people who are test/beta/guest developers on that type of stuff. I never really got excited over the tablet/smartphone type of things, but seeing some of the touch and motion stuff they are going to makes me feel like that is where computers are going.
If it moves, compile it
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I have not felt any urge to go back to finger painting in the last four decades. I really don't see what all the hysteria is about. Not even as toys such device are of any interest to me. I prefer the strongest CPU and GPU I can get, the kinds that are responsible for half of my electricity bill. And then let's write some code that puts them to work.
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Only half... :rolleyes: Averaged over the year I suspect my computers are responsible for closer to 2/3rds of it directly; if you factor in the extra AC they require in the summer it's probably more like 3/4ths of the total. (In the TANJ files is that I pay for the AC while my landlord nominally pays for the central heat I haven't turned on once this winter.)
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I doubt we will ever see a fully touch-based IDE, but we already have dev tools that operate similarly, such as SQL query generating interfaces. I don't think it will be a stretch that we will eventually see development environments where we drag-and-drop library icons into our apps rather than write reference calls, configure them using a graphical interface, and design workflows by drawing lines between pieces of already written code.
Gregory.Gadow wrote:
I don't think it will be a stretch that we will eventually see development environments where we drag-and-drop library icons into our apps rather than write reference calls, configure them using a graphical interface, and design workflows by drawing lines between pieces of already written code.
Vendors have been promising this for the last 20+ years with the promise that it would let pointy haired types drag/drop their requirements into a finished product without having to waste any money on people like us. Outside of narrow domains it's never worked because you always end up needing some logic outside of their collection of pre-canned components/glue at which point you need a programmer to write real code anyway.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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It would have to be amazingly sophisticated to filter out all the swearing. Or is that just me? :-D
Yeah, good luck with the Scottish developers.
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Yeah, good luck with the Scottish developers.
I need an app that will automatically deliver a new BBBBBBBBaBB (beautiful blonde bimbo brandishing bountiful bobbing bare breasts and bodacious butt) every day. John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?
Behzad
Absolutely. But it will require something like one of the visual programming languages to become commonplace. Heck, I might even see it before the end of my career. Star Trek here we come :)
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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I just wonder if someday, developers themselves, will use touch-centric software in their daily work, specially for their most important tool, IDE? It can be put another way; do we developers must use Mouse and Keyboard for programming until the end of the universe?
Behzad
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Gregory.Gadow wrote:
I don't think it will be a stretch that we will eventually see development environments where we drag-and-drop library icons into our apps rather than write reference calls, configure them using a graphical interface, and design workflows by drawing lines between pieces of already written code.
Vendors have been promising this for the last 20+ years with the promise that it would let pointy haired types drag/drop their requirements into a finished product without having to waste any money on people like us. Outside of narrow domains it's never worked because you always end up needing some logic outside of their collection of pre-canned components/glue at which point you need a programmer to write real code anyway.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
I have 15+ years of experience with the closest thing to a graphical IDE out there. It is Filemaker Pro. Dan Neely is absolutely correct that anything outside it's domain requires someone with some skills (else I would not be employed. Don't consider myself a programmer tho. Mostly it just takes the ability to understand what is going on and be able to write enough code to interface the two.) Besides that, the pointy haired types will still need someone. Just the ability to easily create and setup interfaces, the underlying data, logic, reports, does not give them the ability to think through the processes well enough. Bad code(logic) is bad, even if it is easy to create.
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Vark111 wrote:
all the code in my head
"But you must think in Russian; can you do that?"
B-movie, Action-Hero(tm) who has to steal a jet fighter which has voice commands in the helmet. Late 80's - early 90's era. Was it Michael Dudikoff?!