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  • P Pete OHanlon

    So why bring it up in the lounge? It's highly unlikely that the person who down voted you is reading this. I would suspect that the vote came from the author and is most likely because your wording made him think you were accusing him of plagiarism. As it is, your comment was terse and easily misunderstood by a none native English speaker.

    I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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    Cristian Amarie
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    Well, I am not a native speaker either (I'm Romanian). You could be right, but being in a programming forum implies a minimal English level. As for the comment terseness, I can admit that. But, again, a simple reply (You're wrong because of X, I don't get it, What do you mean etc.) would do much better than the current situation.

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    • P peterchen

      Claim: the voting system works well in large numbers, but not in small ones. For you: Don't fuss. It's one number out of millions in a database2. Stick to the facts. PostQuitMessage from hook inject dll will close the injected process Would have sufficed. If you need to speculate, use the most honorable (or at least least incriminating) assumption. ----- I've got my first "Spam / Abusive" last week for a mild nazi stereotype joke. Be it known to all that as a German I reserved the universal, unilateral, uninwaiverable1 right to make Nazi jokes. 1) Also, the upmaking of words. 2) If this one is yours and you've sworn to protect it, just don't show it around3 3) Also, occasionally weird order of footnotes.

      ORDER BY what user wants

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      Mark_Wallace
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      peterchen wrote:

      I've got my first "Spam / Abusive" last week for a mild nazi stereotype joke. Be it known to all that as a German I reserved the universal, unilateral, uninwaiverable1 right to make Nazi jokes. 1) Also, the upmaking of words.

      Bluddy Krauts, ruinin' our green an' pleasant language!

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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      • C Cristian Amarie

        Well, I am not a native speaker either (I'm Romanian). You could be right, but being in a programming forum implies a minimal English level. As for the comment terseness, I can admit that. But, again, a simple reply (You're wrong because of X, I don't get it, What do you mean etc.) would do much better than the current situation.

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        Pete OHanlon
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        That only applies if the author understands your point. If, as I suspect, he has misunderstood your point and he thinks you are calling him a plagiarist, it's easy to see why he would vote 1.

        I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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        • M Mark_Wallace

          peterchen wrote:

          I've got my first "Spam / Abusive" last week for a mild nazi stereotype joke. Be it known to all that as a German I reserved the universal, unilateral, uninwaiverable1 right to make Nazi jokes. 1) Also, the upmaking of words.

          Bluddy Krauts, ruinin' our green an' pleasant language!

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          Pete OHanlon
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          You're just sauer.

          I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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          • P Pete OHanlon

            You're just sauer.

            I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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            Marco Bertschi
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            Let's mix up all our comments with deutschen Wörtern :laugh: :-D :laugh: .

            cheers Marco Bertschi


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            • M Marco Bertschi

              Let's mix up all our comments with deutschen Wörtern :laugh: :-D :laugh: .

              cheers Marco Bertschi


              Software Developer & Founder SMGT Web-Portal CP Profile | Twitter | Facebook | SMGT Web-Portal


              FizzBuzz - Gary Wheeler

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              peterchen
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              I'm dafür!

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              • P peterchen

                I'm dafür!

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                Johnny J
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                I'm not. The 2nd world war was a really terrible war. A lot of good people died back then. My grandfather for instance, died in a German concentration camp... :sigh: .... he fell off a watch tower! :~ OK; that was really bad - that's why I posted it in the Lounge where people can't downvote it... ;P

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                • J Johnny J

                  I'm not. The 2nd world war was a really terrible war. A lot of good people died back then. My grandfather for instance, died in a German concentration camp... :sigh: .... he fell off a watch tower! :~ OK; that was really bad - that's why I posted it in the Lounge where people can't downvote it... ;P

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                  :laugh: :laugh:

                  cheers Marco Bertschi


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                  • J Johnny J

                    I'm not. The 2nd world war was a really terrible war. A lot of good people died back then. My grandfather for instance, died in a German concentration camp... :sigh: .... he fell off a watch tower! :~ OK; that was really bad - that's why I posted it in the Lounge where people can't downvote it... ;P

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                    Pete OHanlon
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                    Johnny J. wrote:

                    OK; that was really bad - that's why I posted it in the Lounge where people can't downvote it...

                    Wanna bet?

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                    • P Pete OHanlon

                      Johnny J. wrote:

                      OK; that was really bad - that's why I posted it in the Lounge where people can't downvote it...

                      Wanna bet?

                      I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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                      Johnny J
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                      Downvote - No Report abuse - Yes But you wouldn't do that to poor me, would you now? :confused:

                      Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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                      Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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                      • J Johnny J

                        Downvote - No Report abuse - Yes But you wouldn't do that to poor me, would you now? :confused:

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                        Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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                        Pete OHanlon
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                        I wouldn't, but I'm not the only one who reads the messages.

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                        • C Cristian Amarie

                          So this is the comment. Got a 1 vote for it. http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/4491610/PostQuitMessage.aspx[^] Sorry for bringing this (again) to attention, but I think the (down)voting system become far too retaliatory to do any good. About the comment: the article explain a hooking/subclassing system, which calls PostQuitMessage from a dll. PostQuitMessage will execute in the context of the "hooked" process and this will most likely have as a result ending of its message loop. So the unload/unhook/uninit/whatever will close the injected process (abruptly), which is unacceptable. So - is it a playground here or a hi5 forum? or is it a programming one? Because if anyone interested in process injection (and not only) fails to understand my previous comment, then I suppose is not only better *not* to comment or reply on what PostQuitMessage does in this context - but maybe is time to let Windows programming for those who can handle it. Think that many juniors can take this for granted and bomb their own implementation, customers gets crashed etc. Really, this is *not* a subject to trifle with without a gazillion of precautions. Or to vote down just for some unjustified ego reasons. I invite the person that voted 1 for this comment to step forward and explain why there is no value in my comment. This type of charade is happening long enough for me to stop ignoring such things and fight back for my ideas. Really, CP (or for that matter, *any* programming forum) it is supposed to consist of members contributing (keyword !) to a community of programmers. We're not on Facebook here to throw with Likes just because an article or a comment is of a friend. So - where do we want to go next? Facebook style, or coding?

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                          Lost User
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                          Cristian Amari

                          So - where do we want to go next? Facebook style, or coding?

                          There are many reasons why people down vote. There is no rational in taking such things seriously. You put your opinion, for those are able to understand it will help. Like Facebook, CP also gives right to have people their own point of view. In that CP is Facebook style. However people with right attitude about learning programming and adding value will always be appreciated.

                          Happy Programming

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                          • C Cristian Amarie

                            So this is the comment. Got a 1 vote for it. http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/4491610/PostQuitMessage.aspx[^] Sorry for bringing this (again) to attention, but I think the (down)voting system become far too retaliatory to do any good. About the comment: the article explain a hooking/subclassing system, which calls PostQuitMessage from a dll. PostQuitMessage will execute in the context of the "hooked" process and this will most likely have as a result ending of its message loop. So the unload/unhook/uninit/whatever will close the injected process (abruptly), which is unacceptable. So - is it a playground here or a hi5 forum? or is it a programming one? Because if anyone interested in process injection (and not only) fails to understand my previous comment, then I suppose is not only better *not* to comment or reply on what PostQuitMessage does in this context - but maybe is time to let Windows programming for those who can handle it. Think that many juniors can take this for granted and bomb their own implementation, customers gets crashed etc. Really, this is *not* a subject to trifle with without a gazillion of precautions. Or to vote down just for some unjustified ego reasons. I invite the person that voted 1 for this comment to step forward and explain why there is no value in my comment. This type of charade is happening long enough for me to stop ignoring such things and fight back for my ideas. Really, CP (or for that matter, *any* programming forum) it is supposed to consist of members contributing (keyword !) to a community of programmers. We're not on Facebook here to throw with Likes just because an article or a comment is of a friend. So - where do we want to go next? Facebook style, or coding?

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                            BobJanova
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                            There was a time when posting this type of complaint here would guarantee you several more downvotes, and ones that actually affect your rating, too. That thread is over a month old, why do you care about getting a 1 today?

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                            • C Cristian Amarie

                              So this is the comment. Got a 1 vote for it. http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/4491610/PostQuitMessage.aspx[^] Sorry for bringing this (again) to attention, but I think the (down)voting system become far too retaliatory to do any good. About the comment: the article explain a hooking/subclassing system, which calls PostQuitMessage from a dll. PostQuitMessage will execute in the context of the "hooked" process and this will most likely have as a result ending of its message loop. So the unload/unhook/uninit/whatever will close the injected process (abruptly), which is unacceptable. So - is it a playground here or a hi5 forum? or is it a programming one? Because if anyone interested in process injection (and not only) fails to understand my previous comment, then I suppose is not only better *not* to comment or reply on what PostQuitMessage does in this context - but maybe is time to let Windows programming for those who can handle it. Think that many juniors can take this for granted and bomb their own implementation, customers gets crashed etc. Really, this is *not* a subject to trifle with without a gazillion of precautions. Or to vote down just for some unjustified ego reasons. I invite the person that voted 1 for this comment to step forward and explain why there is no value in my comment. This type of charade is happening long enough for me to stop ignoring such things and fight back for my ideas. Really, CP (or for that matter, *any* programming forum) it is supposed to consist of members contributing (keyword !) to a community of programmers. We're not on Facebook here to throw with Likes just because an article or a comment is of a friend. So - where do we want to go next? Facebook style, or coding?

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                              Joe Woodbury
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                              PostQuitMessage would could close the injected process only if this was on the main message loop. Even then, you assume it isn't doing something else with the resulting WM_QUIT message. In this regard, you answer is technically incorrect, though your concern is correct and the use of PostQuitMessage is extremely bad and totally wrong in this situation.

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                              • J Joe Woodbury

                                PostQuitMessage would could close the injected process only if this was on the main message loop. Even then, you assume it isn't doing something else with the resulting WM_QUIT message. In this regard, you answer is technically incorrect, though your concern is correct and the use of PostQuitMessage is extremely bad and totally wrong in this situation.

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                                Cristian Amarie
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                                Point taken. But from article the whole thing is done in main thread, and one cannot rely on what the injected exe does handling WM_QUIT or not (anyways this can is cancelable only with custom code). For sure I could have been expanded the answer, but I thought the idea was clear enough.

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                                • B BobJanova

                                  There was a time when posting this type of complaint here would guarantee you several more downvotes, and ones that actually affect your rating, too. That thread is over a month old, why do you care about getting a 1 today?

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                                  Cristian Amarie
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                                  It's about the idea, not when or what. I am not complaining about the 1 - I got my share of well-deserved slaps in time. Simply put, this kind of thing makes me to edit bookmarks, and wonder myself when contributions becomes Likes. That's all. (And there was a time when this kind of thing didn't happened).

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                                  • C Cristian Amarie

                                    It's about the idea, not when or what. I am not complaining about the 1 - I got my share of well-deserved slaps in time. Simply put, this kind of thing makes me to edit bookmarks, and wonder myself when contributions becomes Likes. That's all. (And there was a time when this kind of thing didn't happened).

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                                    Pete OHanlon
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                                    Cristian Amarie wrote:

                                    And there was a time when this kind of thing didn't happened

                                    What Utopia are you living in? This has happened on CP for as long as there's been voting on the articles.

                                    I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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                                    • P Pete OHanlon

                                      Getting a uni voter for a comment is a sign you are now, officially, a CPer.

                                      I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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                                      H Brydon
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                                      Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                      Getting a uni voter for a comment is a sign you are now, officially, a CPer.

                                      Hey, thanks for the certification. Feeling much better about myself now, thanks. Hey everybody, I'm now officially a member of the "in" group!

                                      -- Harvey

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                                      • B BobJanova

                                        There was a time when posting this type of complaint here would guarantee you several more downvotes, and ones that actually affect your rating, too. That thread is over a month old, why do you care about getting a 1 today?

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                                        Cristian Amarie
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                                        Well, at least the **** hit the fan. My comments on that thread are suddenly down voted :D. No other real contribution, no replies, just 1's. That's fine with me, only I think this proves my point. At work, if someone bombs/crash/dumps, the **** storm is immediate. Frankly, I think this is a good thing, we're arguing (and not pleasant) each other, but in the end the result is a better code. And I think that's the stuff to achieve.

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