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  • R RugbyLeague

    For the first time in 20 years I have been tasked with writing a line of business application - it uses C#, WPF, SQL Server and Entity Framework I really miss COBOL and ISAM files.

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    Nagy Vilmos
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    ISAM for sure, but I can't fully agree with COBOL.

    Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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    • R RugbyLeague

      For the first time in 20 years I have been tasked with writing a line of business application - it uses C#, WPF, SQL Server and Entity Framework I really miss COBOL and ISAM files.

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      Forogar
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      Do you need counselling services? I used to do COBOL but I gave it up and with regularly attending the meetings I have stayed "clean" for several years now.

      - Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits. - Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most. - I vaguely remember having a good memory...

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        Do you need counselling services? I used to do COBOL but I gave it up and with regularly attending the meetings I have stayed "clean" for several years now.

        - Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits. - Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most. - I vaguely remember having a good memory...

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        Nagy Vilmos
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        Are you still on the COBOL substitute? AKA Crack.

        Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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        • R RugbyLeague

          For the first time in 20 years I have been tasked with writing a line of business application - it uses C#, WPF, SQL Server and Entity Framework I really miss COBOL and ISAM files.

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          Septimus Hedgehog
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          Cobol. Anagram of Boloc. As you see it can't even make one testicle.

          If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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            Cobol. Anagram of Boloc. As you see it can't even make one testicle.

            If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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            Nagy Vilmos
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            You missed out on a shed load of fun if you've never done COBOL. Imagine drunk s_x without the guilty feeling; or the s_x or getting drunk to start with.

            Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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            • N Nagy Vilmos

              Are you still on the COBOL substitute? AKA Crack.

              Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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              Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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              I thought that was LINC (Lucky its not cobol or Laugh I nearly Cried, as it was nicknamed )

              You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                You missed out on a shed load of fun if you've never done COBOL. Imagine drunk s_x without the guilty feeling; or the s_x or getting drunk to start with.

                Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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                jim lahey
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                I almost had a brush with COBOL nearly half a lifetime ago. I was working days as a 2nd line technician in a college while my night job was development, including on the .net framework 1.0 beta. Some of the lecturers I supported were in charge of teaching basic programming to the students and we'd always have a chat about programming if there was a ticket that needed seeing to in their office. The one lady lecturer would not back down from her allegiance to COBOL, stating that "for working with files there is no better tool". Had I known then what I know now, I'd have replied "for putting your career in reverse while the rest of the world speeds past you there is no better tool". Over a decade on there's no way in the world that she's still sat in that office, beating the drum for COBOL, or is there? No, she's not. They knocked the building down several years ago.

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                • R RugbyLeague

                  For the first time in 20 years I have been tasked with writing a line of business application - it uses C#, WPF, SQL Server and Entity Framework I really miss COBOL and ISAM files.

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                  Joe Woodbury
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                  I agree with ISAM. Can't count the times where a simple ISAM database would have been the best solution. I could start ranting about how modern developers are too dependent on frameworks and the latest cool technology, but I won't since my build just finished.

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                  • J jim lahey

                    I almost had a brush with COBOL nearly half a lifetime ago. I was working days as a 2nd line technician in a college while my night job was development, including on the .net framework 1.0 beta. Some of the lecturers I supported were in charge of teaching basic programming to the students and we'd always have a chat about programming if there was a ticket that needed seeing to in their office. The one lady lecturer would not back down from her allegiance to COBOL, stating that "for working with files there is no better tool". Had I known then what I know now, I'd have replied "for putting your career in reverse while the rest of the world speeds past you there is no better tool". Over a decade on there's no way in the world that she's still sat in that office, beating the drum for COBOL, or is there? No, she's not. They knocked the building down several years ago.

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                    Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                    That only means they moved her and the cobol box to a new state of the art compute center

                    You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                    • J jim lahey

                      I almost had a brush with COBOL nearly half a lifetime ago. I was working days as a 2nd line technician in a college while my night job was development, including on the .net framework 1.0 beta. Some of the lecturers I supported were in charge of teaching basic programming to the students and we'd always have a chat about programming if there was a ticket that needed seeing to in their office. The one lady lecturer would not back down from her allegiance to COBOL, stating that "for working with files there is no better tool". Had I known then what I know now, I'd have replied "for putting your career in reverse while the rest of the world speeds past you there is no better tool". Over a decade on there's no way in the world that she's still sat in that office, beating the drum for COBOL, or is there? No, she's not. They knocked the building down several years ago.

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                      Septimus Hedgehog
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                      jim lahey wrote:

                      No, she's not. They knocked the building down several years ago.

                      With her still in it?

                      If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                      • N Nagy Vilmos

                        Are you still on the COBOL substitute? AKA Crack.

                        Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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                        Forogar
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                        Actually I switched to the imaginatively named "PL/1" ("Programming Language One" - gosh, what an amazing name; when are we going to see "PL/2"?) which is like going from Heroine to Methadone! PL/1 was weird. It was like doing COBOL in FORTRAN. Thank god I was doing C on my own time to keep me sane!.

                        - Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits. - Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most. - I vaguely remember having a good memory...

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                        • J jim lahey

                          I almost had a brush with COBOL nearly half a lifetime ago. I was working days as a 2nd line technician in a college while my night job was development, including on the .net framework 1.0 beta. Some of the lecturers I supported were in charge of teaching basic programming to the students and we'd always have a chat about programming if there was a ticket that needed seeing to in their office. The one lady lecturer would not back down from her allegiance to COBOL, stating that "for working with files there is no better tool". Had I known then what I know now, I'd have replied "for putting your career in reverse while the rest of the world speeds past you there is no better tool". Over a decade on there's no way in the world that she's still sat in that office, beating the drum for COBOL, or is there? No, she's not. They knocked the building down several years ago.

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                          Forogar
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                          nearly half a lifetime ago ... the .net framework 1.0 beta

                          You must be very young. Half a lifetime ago for me Blériot had only just made it across the Channel! ;) [Edit: Apologies to Nagy for the accent in Louis' name.]

                          - Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits. - Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most. - I vaguely remember having a good memory...

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                            Actually I switched to the imaginatively named "PL/1" ("Programming Language One" - gosh, what an amazing name; when are we going to see "PL/2"?) which is like going from Heroine to Methadone! PL/1 was weird. It was like doing COBOL in FORTRAN. Thank god I was doing C on my own time to keep me sane!.

                            - Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits. - Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most. - I vaguely remember having a good memory...

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                            Nagy Vilmos
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                            Me done PL/1. Me done all the functionals. #sniff#

                            Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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                            • F Forogar

                              Actually I switched to the imaginatively named "PL/1" ("Programming Language One" - gosh, what an amazing name; when are we going to see "PL/2"?) which is like going from Heroine to Methadone! PL/1 was weird. It was like doing COBOL in FORTRAN. Thank god I was doing C on my own time to keep me sane!.

                              - Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits. - Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most. - I vaguely remember having a good memory...

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                              RugbyLeague
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                              I used to use a PL/1 subset on Prime computers called SPL - it was pretty good

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                              • N Nagy Vilmos

                                ISAM for sure, but I can't fully agree with COBOL.

                                Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol

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                                RugbyLeague
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                                I can't fully agree with COBOL either - but at the moment anything seems better than what I am currently fighting against

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                                  That only means they moved her and the cobol box to a new state of the art compute center

                                  You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                                  jim lahey
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                                  So the £30 million they spent on the new glass and brushed metal looking place has got a cupboard for an old 386? how thoughtful in this day and age..

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                                    I used to use a PL/1 subset on Prime computers called SPL - it was pretty good

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                                    Forogar
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                                    Prime computers

                                    Good ol' Pr1me. I used to do FORTRAN on those.

                                    - Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits. - Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most. - I vaguely remember having a good memory...

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                                    • F Forogar

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                                      Prime computers

                                      Good ol' Pr1me. I used to do FORTRAN on those.

                                      - Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits. - Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most. - I vaguely remember having a good memory...

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                                      RugbyLeague
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                                      I started on FORTRAN IV on them - then I discovered the SPL compiler and switched - weirdly the local library had a book devoted to translating FORTRAN IV to PL/1 - which was nice

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                                      • R RugbyLeague

                                        For the first time in 20 years I have been tasked with writing a line of business application - it uses C#, WPF, SQL Server and Entity Framework I really miss COBOL and ISAM files.

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                                        Kevin Marois
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                                        RugbyLeague wrote:

                                        I really miss COBOL and ISAM files.

                                        What the hell for???? I took 3 semesters of COBOL in college, and if I never did it again I would be quite happy.

                                        If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                                        • J jim lahey

                                          So the £30 million they spent on the new glass and brushed metal looking place has got a cupboard for an old 386? how thoughtful in this day and age..

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                                          Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                                          no its a multi million pound super computer (it just emulates a 386)

                                          You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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