Does anyone else thinks NUI is not the perfect next step for UIs ?
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Monster Maker wrote:
Only those who are actually committed
Even smaller group then, I'm about as committed as they come (coding on a long weekend - X| ) and I don't customise anything but SSMS and VS, my primary tools!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
You customise because you know how to cutomise, think of a computer illiterate.. For developers , a friendly UI would just be a bad idea(as they think there is no need), but it will surely save their time and raise their interest.
World is short of ideas!
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There's two issues here I think. Customization can be a pain to support so the basics of the OS are reasonably locked down. Imagine trying to use someone's computer if they whistled instead of clicking the mouse, and burped for a double click, for example. It's bad enough with a left handed mouse set up, but if the whole ui is customize it would be a real pain. Also you'd want all devices to use the same paradigms for that user. The other issue is in the 'learning' ui - ie the ui changing over time to adapt to the users requirements. Ms tried that some time ago with menu options being hidden or moved depending on the frequency of use. Trouble is, people get used to selecting the third item downon the menu - so got it wrong when the menu option moved, or they used someone else's computer.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
I don't want computer to work on my whistle. But what i want is, it should keep a record of my liking, i.e finding patterns what all i do on my pc(like google makes patterns what i search), what are the places i find difficulties and where not, and in response adjusting the UI according to it to make my work more efficient. Does that sound illogical?
World is short of Ideas!
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I don't want computer to work on my whistle. But what i want is, it should keep a record of my liking, i.e finding patterns what all i do on my pc(like google makes patterns what i search), what are the places i find difficulties and where not, and in response adjusting the UI according to it to make my work more efficient. Does that sound illogical?
World is short of Ideas!
Monster Maker wrote:
i.e finding patterns what all i do on my pc(like google makes patterns what i search),
So My next application should collect information like if user uses keyboard collect everything the user type's. So that I can sell this information to the highest bidder? I am the new Google overlord. :laugh: MMMMUUUUUAAAAHHHHHAAAAA!
Frazzle the name say's it all
Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live.
John F. Woods
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I don't want computer to work on my whistle. But what i want is, it should keep a record of my liking, i.e finding patterns what all i do on my pc(like google makes patterns what i search), what are the places i find difficulties and where not, and in response adjusting the UI according to it to make my work more efficient. Does that sound illogical?
World is short of Ideas!
Not illogical but it has been tried and it led to difficulties, because if your ui is different to mine, and indeed different to everyone's, then support and training become an issue (as does learning the system for the user) Unless there is a global standard on how to store the set up, it makes moving between computers a problem too.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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80% people down-vote the thing which they don't understand. and i can't help it..!! Besties..
World is short of ideas!
84% of statistics on the internet are made up.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Exactly, there's my point,we do have customization. But people actually customizing it are really less. Only those who are actually committed. I don't think a high school child will customize is his computer before using paint. He would prefer social network(where he has stuffs which he understands much better).
World is short of ideas!
I have rarely read such drivel, even in the Lounge!
Monster Maker wrote:
I don't think a high school child will customize is his computer before using paint.
Then you haven't been to a high school recently. One of the major issues in schools is supporting student PCs, as they will customise tehm to the point of being all but unusable given half a chance - so the computers have to be locked down to stop them customising
Monster Maker wrote:
He would prefer social network(where he has stuffs which he understands much better).
which he accesses via a computer UI !!
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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84% of statistics on the internet are made up.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
_Maxxx_ wrote:
84% of statistics on the internet are made up.
I'm 93% sure you're full of shit.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
84% of statistics on the internet are made up.
I'm 93% sure you're full of shit.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
And the OP is 93% full of sh!t.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
84% of statistics on the internet are made up.
I'm 93% sure you're full of shit.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
I'm 100% certain
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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And the OP is 93% full of sh!t.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierPete O'Hanlon wrote:
And the OP is 93% full of sh!t.
What is the other 7% made up of?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
And the OP is 93% full of sh!t.
What is the other 7% made up of?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
I can't speak for anyone else, but I estimate the 7% of me that is not full of shit, is vocabulary. yours, Bill
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
And the OP is 93% full of sh!t.
What is the other 7% made up of?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Ill informed opinion.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier -
I have rarely read such drivel, even in the Lounge!
Monster Maker wrote:
I don't think a high school child will customize is his computer before using paint.
Then you haven't been to a high school recently. One of the major issues in schools is supporting student PCs, as they will customise tehm to the point of being all but unusable given half a chance - so the computers have to be locked down to stop them customising
Monster Maker wrote:
He would prefer social network(where he has stuffs which he understands much better).
which he accesses via a computer UI !!
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Then you haven't been to a high school recently. One of the major issues in schools is supporting student PCs, as they will customise tehm to the point of being all but unusable given half a chance - so the computers have to be locked down to stop them customising
That was just an example of person who knows nothing about pc. What he would like and prefer.
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which he accesses via a computer UI !!
It is like you are downloading other internet browsers from your internet explorer!
World is short of ideas!
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Monster Maker wrote:
i.e finding patterns what all i do on my pc(like google makes patterns what i search),
So My next application should collect information like if user uses keyboard collect everything the user type's. So that I can sell this information to the highest bidder? I am the new Google overlord. :laugh: MMMMUUUUUAAAAHHHHHAAAAA!
Frazzle the name say's it all
Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live.
John F. Woods
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So My next application should collect information like if user uses keyboard collect everything the user type's. So that I can sell this information to the highest bidder?
I already thought about it buddy, and made such application. It violates the privacy policy IT-Act 2000 A under my country's law section. And most importantly why the people will use your application ,giving all information about them knowing that you are selling it to the advertizers.
World is short of ideas!
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Not illogical but it has been tried and it led to difficulties, because if your ui is different to mine, and indeed different to everyone's, then support and training become an issue (as does learning the system for the user) Unless there is a global standard on how to store the set up, it makes moving between computers a problem too.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
Ok Maxx, we can't fight that why the companies are not trying something, what i personally think. Its totally their call. Lastly, just answer 1 question. what will you prefer, -an OS which makes you learn something, by associating it with what you have already learnt in life - or the MAC OS which expects that you should learn about it first and then make him do something rest i am a biggest fool on earth, thanks for commenting on my viewpoint. stay excellent!
World is short of ideas!
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84% of statistics on the internet are made up.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
i know,i am talking about the 16%..
World is short of ideas!
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Ok Maxx, we can't fight that why the companies are not trying something, what i personally think. Its totally their call. Lastly, just answer 1 question. what will you prefer, -an OS which makes you learn something, by associating it with what you have already learnt in life - or the MAC OS which expects that you should learn about it first and then make him do something rest i am a biggest fool on earth, thanks for commenting on my viewpoint. stay excellent!
World is short of ideas!
Current ui paradigms in OS use things we 'have already learned in life' - such as pressing buttons, stacking things on top of one another, reading lists, associating pictures wi actions etc. etc. etc. So, would I prefer An os GUI that uses my personal habits to tailor its icons, menus, etc, to make it 'easier' for me to use? Not particularly. With consistency comes familiarity, and so ease of use. It might seem like a good idea but people don't generally have a problem learning the basics of an OS ui, because there is cross platform consistency, so moving from Mac to windows to Linux is generally quite easy because of the similarities in the presentation. Use a learning ui paradigm and the user would struggle more in moving from OS to OS Neil the new one had learned from them. And the majority of computer users are using the computer as a tool to perform some function, and are not software devs or geeks who want something more.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Well if this supposed "NUI" is the same heap of crap that's called Metro then no, it's a backwards step.
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Sure, when you can perform open heart surgery, then it's fair for you to expect that busy doctor to have knowledge about coding. Your youth and inexperience is showing.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierPete O'Hanlon wrote:
Sure, when you can perform open heart surgery, then it's fair for you to expect that busy doctor to have knowledge about coding
Certainly not the best analogy since most doctors do not know that either. And there isn't any opportunity to learn it on your nor pick it up on your own.
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Nope, I think about a third of humanity is mentally rigged to cough up new ideas, which the other two thirds do their best to shoot them down ...
I think you are talking about innovation. World is short of ideas and that's the only reason people steal it. But innovations are overflowing as 1 idea can be associated with a million innovations. Secondly, i never want that actually(that would be done in 100 years or so matching all probabilities), what i want to convey is that people like to understand and do thing their own way. So the UI should be made their way(or make a step towards that goal), then only the time understanding windows would be utilized in implementing the ideas innovations.
I miss bitten apple! :'(
Monster Maker wrote:
World is short of ideas and that's the only reason people steal it.
Nope. Plenty of ideas. All of them based on existing idioms and many duplicated (unintentionally). But successfully taking an idea to produce something that other people will use is a far, far different thing.