The team effort
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So in your scenario you have a helmsman and a rowing crew, so who is the captain? Who makes the strategic decisions? Is there an engineer to keep the ship seaworthy? Do you have a Bo'sun? Which of you is 'The Cabin Boy'?
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And what about Seaman Staines?
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And what about Seaman Staines?
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"Mum", says the teenage lad, "This is difficult for me to say, but I am Gay" His mother looks at him and says "Yes son, I know" "How?" "When I do the launndry I have to scrub the semen stains from the front of your brother's underpants, with yours I have to scrub the back."
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So what you are saying is the manager is a big cox while the team members are all just working their rowlocks?
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
yes, this is the case in our company
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I refer you to the fact that it is so riddled with inaccuracies, adumbration and obscurity as to be untrusted. I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump. If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is. And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you? Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?
The Bhai wrote:
Anyone before 1325 was not called an Engineer.
Apart from the Roman ones you mean. The Ingeniare. You are putting your cart before your horse. Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers. The Engineer is the craftsman who designs and manufactures ingenious devices. The word Artificial is actually very complimentary. It means something engineered with great skill and artifice.
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Good. Now, both of you get back to work. Jeez guys, you've a lot of time. :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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I refer you to the fact that it is so riddled with inaccuracies, adumbration and obscurity as to be untrusted. I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump. If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is. And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you? Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?
The Bhai wrote:
Anyone before 1325 was not called an Engineer.
Apart from the Roman ones you mean. The Ingeniare. You are putting your cart before your horse. Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers. The Engineer is the craftsman who designs and manufactures ingenious devices. The word Artificial is actually very complimentary. It means something engineered with great skill and artifice.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
it is so riddled with inaccuracies, adumbration and obscurity as to be untrusted
Um. From you, Mr Botham?
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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I refer you to the fact that it is so riddled with inaccuracies, adumbration and obscurity as to be untrusted. I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump. If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is. And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you? Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?
The Bhai wrote:
Anyone before 1325 was not called an Engineer.
Apart from the Roman ones you mean. The Ingeniare. You are putting your cart before your horse. Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers. The Engineer is the craftsman who designs and manufactures ingenious devices. The word Artificial is actually very complimentary. It means something engineered with great skill and artifice.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers.
As I have said previously this is the bit I find hard to believe. I have provided a source that states explicitly that the word Engineer came after the word Engine. You say it is the other way but provide no proof (The examples you are giving are of people being retrospectively called Engineers, not of people who were called Engineers at the time.)
Dalek Dave wrote:
I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump.
If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is.
And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you?
Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?As stated above the maintainers of these would not have been known as Engineers. And just to ensure I win the Interwebs[^]
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers.
As I have said previously this is the bit I find hard to believe. I have provided a source that states explicitly that the word Engineer came after the word Engine. You say it is the other way but provide no proof (The examples you are giving are of people being retrospectively called Engineers, not of people who were called Engineers at the time.)
Dalek Dave wrote:
I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump.
If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is.
And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you?
Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?As stated above the maintainers of these would not have been known as Engineers. And just to ensure I win the Interwebs[^]
+5 for the winning picture!
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When in fact the River is a well known Creek, the steersman doesn't know which bit to hold or which way to turn it, and the paddlers aren't given any paddles because they are too expensive...
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
On our boat, the paddles have a floating license. We have to share 2 paddles between 10 rowers. And 1 rower always forgets to log out when he goes home early so we essentially have 1 paddle.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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* fetches popcorn and sits down *
~RaGE();
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On our boat, the paddles have a floating license. We have to share 2 paddles between 10 rowers. And 1 rower always forgets to log out when he goes home early so we essentially have 1 paddle.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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And you want to get rid of Debator points. ;P Soren Madsen
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers.
As I have said previously this is the bit I find hard to believe. I have provided a source that states explicitly that the word Engineer came after the word Engine. You say it is the other way but provide no proof (The examples you are giving are of people being retrospectively called Engineers, not of people who were called Engineers at the time.)
Dalek Dave wrote:
I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump.
If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is.
And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you?
Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?As stated above the maintainers of these would not have been known as Engineers. And just to ensure I win the Interwebs[^]
You conveniently ignore The Ingeniare. Even by your argument they were not called Engineers back in the 13th Century. You claim it to be from the French. The initial premise of your case is that there would not be an Engineer on a boat without an engine, and my premise is that Engineering is not sourced from the word Engine. How are we to resolve this? I can provide proof that Engines existed back in ancient Greece, (Even using your favoured 'Proof' one can see this[^]) I suggest that Hero engineered a lot of things. He was an Engineer[^] The etymology is very old, and very Latin. Unless you can provide proof that the etymology is non-ancient-world then I stand by my argument that engineers existed at the time of the Triremes.
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Cruise ship - currently submarine
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
It is a half sub marine. It is not sunken yet. Well, a retarded submarine, maybe.
cheers Marco Bertschi
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FizzBuzz - Gary Wheeler
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I ... don't understand the logic/joke here, sorry :doh:
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
Ok. I assume you haven't forgotten about this: http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/4525705/What-if-we-removed-reputation-points.aspx[^] I just thought this whole engineer debate was strangely entertaining. Then you threw your popcorn comment into the mix and it made me chuckle enough to give you an up-vote. Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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It is a half sub marine. It is not sunken yet. Well, a retarded submarine, maybe.
cheers Marco Bertschi
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FizzBuzz - Gary Wheeler
A submarine is still a submarine even if it isn't underwater. Therefore all ships are submarines :~
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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This was a discussion between me and my manager regarding the team effort. I imagined our company as a boat sailing in a river. I imagined the manager as the person who steers the boat, and the team members as the persons who paddle the water with the guidance of the manager. With all together they will reach safely. With any deficiency resulted from any of them they may get in the way.
Don't forget, me hearties, oooooh, aaaaaaargh, that a boat might belong to her cap'n but the lifeboats belong to her crew.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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A submarine is still a submarine even if it isn't underwater. Therefore all ships are submarines :~
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
... and therefore we are all submarines (even if we are not under water - we are able to be).
cheers Marco Bertschi
Software Developer & Founder SMGT Web-Portal CP Profile | Twitter | Facebook | SMGT Web-Portal
FizzBuzz - Gary Wheeler
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This could become the most pointless argument ever waged on the internet - which would be some achievement.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
And the fact that it happened here makes it even more remarkable. :rolleyes:
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Engineers are not called engineers because of the Engine, the engine is called an engine because it was engineered by engineers.
As I have said previously this is the bit I find hard to believe. I have provided a source that states explicitly that the word Engineer came after the word Engine. You say it is the other way but provide no proof (The examples you are giving are of people being retrospectively called Engineers, not of people who were called Engineers at the time.)
Dalek Dave wrote:
I therefore call your attention to the Archimedes Screw water pump.
If that wasn't an Ancient Greek Engine I do not know what is.
And what of their steam engines, or are they inconveniently placed in history for you?
Would these 'Engines' not require an Engineer?As stated above the maintainers of these would not have been known as Engineers. And just to ensure I win the Interwebs[^]
The Bhai wrote:
As stated above the maintainers of these would not have been known as Engineers.
You need to ask Farouk about that.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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"Mum", says the teenage lad, "This is difficult for me to say, but I am Gay" His mother looks at him and says "Yes son, I know" "How?" "When I do the launndry I have to scrub the semen stains from the front of your brother's underpants, with yours I have to scrub the back."
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^]
What? so gat people wear their undies back-to-front? you learn something every day on the interwebz!
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