Recent departure
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So, the junior dev under me quit. He went to the manager the week of my wedding (I was scheduled off for 7 working days for honeymoon) and quit, no 2 weeks notice, he wanted out. My manager asked if he could at least stick around until I got back. He said okay, but then didn't, left after my 4th working day gone. The reason given? Language, foul language, in particular that is used by a VP. It apparently upset him and even stressed him out at home (he never did any work or support in off hours, unlike most of us who support 247). We warn new hires, him included, that it can get loud, fast paced, stressful, and we use foul language. None of it sexual in nature, just shit, fuck, damn, etc. On his last day on the job, he sent a letter to all newer hires, asking if it bothered them. Only one replied, a female recent college graduate. She said she doesn't even notice it. Here's my theory. Some background: He moved here, across the country for this job 6 months ago. We flew him in, our expense, to interview him. Theory: He is now relocated, settle in, his wife is settled in, so now he's actually looking for a job he likes, and trying to get sympathy from other new hires to use as a reference. He was a shitty developer who took any sort of criticism horribly. He never tested anything and could not work autonomously. He needed constant detailed lists of what to do, said things were completed ahead of schedule while they were less than half way done and untested. He was a database guy that we were teaching to code, so he knew nothing, but wouldn't admit it, even though almost everything he did was a copy/paste job. The work he did in the last 2 weeks: horrible, had to be rolled back from prod as his claims of testing his changed were lies. Anyways, his little exit strategy is dicking over a lot of people here, making my team look bad, all the way up to our boss below the head honcho (for some reason, he really tried to dick over our VP).
That’s why I stopped posting in the Lounge. These “Elephant”, “Sunshine” and “Paris” words used all over the place make me feel sad and stressed and dirty. I’m so fucking sensitive to foul language.:sigh:
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That’s why I stopped posting in the Lounge. These “Elephant”, “Sunshine” and “Paris” words used all over the place make me feel sad and stressed and dirty. I’m so fucking sensitive to foul language.:sigh:
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
These “Elephant”, “Sunshine” and “Paris” words used all over the place make me feel sad and stressed and dirty
:wtf: That's why I come here!
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You get 'em - looks like that was the plan all along. 6 months is a "normal" time to work somewhere, any less and it looks suspicious that you were fired rather than left. He got his relocation paid, and probably already has the job lined up and ready to start. It happens, you get burned from time to time. At least you got rid of a liability without any litigation, that's about the best view you can put on it.
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Agreed, also I have been in the company of large organizations for most of my career. Standard practice is to require a year or more of employment to pay for moving expenses etc. Signing bonus is available the first day of work (or first paycheck whatever) and working bonus after a year or so. If the new employee bails before the moving expense commitment, it is deducted from the final paycheck.
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You get 'em - looks like that was the plan all along. 6 months is a "normal" time to work somewhere, any less and it looks suspicious that you were fired rather than left. He got his relocation paid, and probably already has the job lined up and ready to start. It happens, you get burned from time to time. At least you got rid of a liability without any litigation, that's about the best view you can put on it.
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
You sure do. We hired a project manager and the company flew him and his family from London to Joburg. He was given a settling-in allowance, put up in a hotel until the company found a house for him to rent of which they'd pay the first three months. The cunt disappeared a week or so after landing. We later heard that he boasted that he saw some of the rugby tests during the Lions tour in 1980. The familiy fucked off from the hotel leaving meals and booze unpaid for. That was the last they took anyone from the UK paying in advance. The good thing is that you managed to dump the shite.
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So, the junior dev under me quit. He went to the manager the week of my wedding (I was scheduled off for 7 working days for honeymoon) and quit, no 2 weeks notice, he wanted out. My manager asked if he could at least stick around until I got back. He said okay, but then didn't, left after my 4th working day gone. The reason given? Language, foul language, in particular that is used by a VP. It apparently upset him and even stressed him out at home (he never did any work or support in off hours, unlike most of us who support 247). We warn new hires, him included, that it can get loud, fast paced, stressful, and we use foul language. None of it sexual in nature, just shit, fuck, damn, etc. On his last day on the job, he sent a letter to all newer hires, asking if it bothered them. Only one replied, a female recent college graduate. She said she doesn't even notice it. Here's my theory. Some background: He moved here, across the country for this job 6 months ago. We flew him in, our expense, to interview him. Theory: He is now relocated, settle in, his wife is settled in, so now he's actually looking for a job he likes, and trying to get sympathy from other new hires to use as a reference. He was a shitty developer who took any sort of criticism horribly. He never tested anything and could not work autonomously. He needed constant detailed lists of what to do, said things were completed ahead of schedule while they were less than half way done and untested. He was a database guy that we were teaching to code, so he knew nothing, but wouldn't admit it, even though almost everything he did was a copy/paste job. The work he did in the last 2 weeks: horrible, had to be rolled back from prod as his claims of testing his changed were lies. Anyways, his little exit strategy is dicking over a lot of people here, making my team look bad, all the way up to our boss below the head honcho (for some reason, he really tried to dick over our VP).
He probably took the job on the other side of the country because it got him away from the mess he created there. If he did this to you, I doubt you were the first. Perhaps for the next guy, you should have them go through a typical day to get an idea of what it'll be like.
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wizardzz wrote:
I help write the ads,
wizardzz wrote:
Downtown Chicago. C#, SQL, and any regex or html knowledge helps.
I hope this isn't all you put in the ad. ;-)
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So, the junior dev under me quit. He went to the manager the week of my wedding (I was scheduled off for 7 working days for honeymoon) and quit, no 2 weeks notice, he wanted out. My manager asked if he could at least stick around until I got back. He said okay, but then didn't, left after my 4th working day gone. The reason given? Language, foul language, in particular that is used by a VP. It apparently upset him and even stressed him out at home (he never did any work or support in off hours, unlike most of us who support 247). We warn new hires, him included, that it can get loud, fast paced, stressful, and we use foul language. None of it sexual in nature, just shit, fuck, damn, etc. On his last day on the job, he sent a letter to all newer hires, asking if it bothered them. Only one replied, a female recent college graduate. She said she doesn't even notice it. Here's my theory. Some background: He moved here, across the country for this job 6 months ago. We flew him in, our expense, to interview him. Theory: He is now relocated, settle in, his wife is settled in, so now he's actually looking for a job he likes, and trying to get sympathy from other new hires to use as a reference. He was a shitty developer who took any sort of criticism horribly. He never tested anything and could not work autonomously. He needed constant detailed lists of what to do, said things were completed ahead of schedule while they were less than half way done and untested. He was a database guy that we were teaching to code, so he knew nothing, but wouldn't admit it, even though almost everything he did was a copy/paste job. The work he did in the last 2 weeks: horrible, had to be rolled back from prod as his claims of testing his changed were lies. Anyways, his little exit strategy is dicking over a lot of people here, making my team look bad, all the way up to our boss below the head honcho (for some reason, he really tried to dick over our VP).
On a similar note, our team recently got a warning that someone was getting offended about our use of "crude" language, and we suspect it was one of the new people (because everyone else laughs at/joins in our conversations). Wonder if they're trying to pull something similar...but the joke's on them, we're likely moving to our own space soon, then no one will be able to hear us. Until then, we just keep most of our talking to IM, where we can be as "crude" as we want.
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wizardzz wrote:
I don't think we are considering this deal again.
You should. We're all capable of ignoring MM's foul language, so we wouldn't complain about your VP.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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That’s why I stopped posting in the Lounge. These “Elephant”, “Sunshine” and “Paris” words used all over the place make me feel sad and stressed and dirty. I’m so fucking sensitive to foul language.:sigh:
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I can understand why Paris would upset you.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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wizardzz wrote:
I help write the ads,
wizardzz wrote:
Downtown Chicago. C#, SQL, and any regex or html knowledge helps.
I hope this isn't all you put in the ad. ;-)
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On a similar note, our team recently got a warning that someone was getting offended about our use of "crude" language, and we suspect it was one of the new people (because everyone else laughs at/joins in our conversations). Wonder if they're trying to pull something similar...but the joke's on them, we're likely moving to our own space soon, then no one will be able to hear us. Until then, we just keep most of our talking to IM, where we can be as "crude" as we want.
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Well, I have a way to save you money! DowntownChicagoC#SqlAndAnyRegexOrHtmlKnowledgeHelps 1/11th the cost!
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So, the junior dev under me quit. He went to the manager the week of my wedding (I was scheduled off for 7 working days for honeymoon) and quit, no 2 weeks notice, he wanted out. My manager asked if he could at least stick around until I got back. He said okay, but then didn't, left after my 4th working day gone. The reason given? Language, foul language, in particular that is used by a VP. It apparently upset him and even stressed him out at home (he never did any work or support in off hours, unlike most of us who support 247). We warn new hires, him included, that it can get loud, fast paced, stressful, and we use foul language. None of it sexual in nature, just shit, fuck, damn, etc. On his last day on the job, he sent a letter to all newer hires, asking if it bothered them. Only one replied, a female recent college graduate. She said she doesn't even notice it. Here's my theory. Some background: He moved here, across the country for this job 6 months ago. We flew him in, our expense, to interview him. Theory: He is now relocated, settle in, his wife is settled in, so now he's actually looking for a job he likes, and trying to get sympathy from other new hires to use as a reference. He was a shitty developer who took any sort of criticism horribly. He never tested anything and could not work autonomously. He needed constant detailed lists of what to do, said things were completed ahead of schedule while they were less than half way done and untested. He was a database guy that we were teaching to code, so he knew nothing, but wouldn't admit it, even though almost everything he did was a copy/paste job. The work he did in the last 2 weeks: horrible, had to be rolled back from prod as his claims of testing his changed were lies. Anyways, his little exit strategy is dicking over a lot of people here, making my team look bad, all the way up to our boss below the head honcho (for some reason, he really tried to dick over our VP).
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So, the junior dev under me quit. He went to the manager the week of my wedding (I was scheduled off for 7 working days for honeymoon) and quit, no 2 weeks notice, he wanted out. My manager asked if he could at least stick around until I got back. He said okay, but then didn't, left after my 4th working day gone. The reason given? Language, foul language, in particular that is used by a VP. It apparently upset him and even stressed him out at home (he never did any work or support in off hours, unlike most of us who support 247). We warn new hires, him included, that it can get loud, fast paced, stressful, and we use foul language. None of it sexual in nature, just shit, fuck, damn, etc. On his last day on the job, he sent a letter to all newer hires, asking if it bothered them. Only one replied, a female recent college graduate. She said she doesn't even notice it. Here's my theory. Some background: He moved here, across the country for this job 6 months ago. We flew him in, our expense, to interview him. Theory: He is now relocated, settle in, his wife is settled in, so now he's actually looking for a job he likes, and trying to get sympathy from other new hires to use as a reference. He was a shitty developer who took any sort of criticism horribly. He never tested anything and could not work autonomously. He needed constant detailed lists of what to do, said things were completed ahead of schedule while they were less than half way done and untested. He was a database guy that we were teaching to code, so he knew nothing, but wouldn't admit it, even though almost everything he did was a copy/paste job. The work he did in the last 2 weeks: horrible, had to be rolled back from prod as his claims of testing his changed were lies. Anyways, his little exit strategy is dicking over a lot of people here, making my team look bad, all the way up to our boss below the head honcho (for some reason, he really tried to dick over our VP).
wizardzz wrote:
database guy
That there says it all. Most db people suck a programming and it's the rare exception that doesn't. They're also supreme arrogant asses.
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I'm not sure someone like that would have another job lined up from the get-go, it's more probably that he's just not very good and finds it difficult to work in a high stress team and was looking for a way to escape that looked legit.
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That’s why I stopped posting in the Lounge. These “Elephant”, “Sunshine” and “Paris” words used all over the place make me feel sad and stressed and dirty. I’m so fucking sensitive to foul language.:sigh:
There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
Preach it brother! It's f♥cking unbearable being around a♥♥hats that are di♥king around with their s♥itty language.
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Preach it brother! It's f♥cking unbearable being around a♥♥hats that are di♥king around with their s♥itty language.
more from me | GALex: C++ Library for Advanced Genetic Algorithms
Or you could just use good ol' Cyrillic...
