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modern mix does look interesting. Just saying, from MS perspective, WinRT doesn't really replace anything since it only applies to store apps. Rather than providing a new way of creating UIs (WinRT) they just add a new way of creating UIs specifically for store apps. Doesn't seem to have any affect at all for desktop apps. I've done some reading on WinRT and it seems to be nice from a tech perspective, then you realize it only applies to store apps though. But yes, with an addon like modern mix that changes things a bit. Still, for desktop UI development, I'm not sure WinRT is even an option unless you can rely on your users having the addon installed?
Sounds like an accurate assessment.
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And what, may I ask, do you consider the 'replacement' for WPF? That person, and consequently you, seem to be complete ID-TEN-Ts. WPF is NOT dead. Anyone who says that needs to be taken out of the development community and put on a one-way trip to some other galaxy. And I don't care if this offends you, as I am sick and tired of hearing these complete nutcases declare 'X is dead' whenever a new technology comes out. So there. That is final/const/immutable/etc. Vote this abusive. I don't care. I just hate the people who say and do things like this, and the ones who believe those lies.
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Brisingr Aerowing wrote:
And what, may I ask, do you consider the 'replacement' for WPF?
Nothing, and that's the catch-22.
Brisingr Aerowing wrote:
WPF is NOT dead. Anyone who says that needs to be taken out of the development community and put on a one-way trip to some other galaxy.
Where do I get the ticket? Because WPF is dead, just like Silverlight, like it or not.
Brisingr Aerowing wrote:
And I don't care if this offends you
I am wiping the tears as I am typing this :((
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it doesn't matter, if you understand xaml, you can re-use your knowledge in Silverlight, WinPhone or Win8. I like xaml much more than WinForms or something like MFC.
Irina Pykhova wrote:
if you understand xaml, you can re-use your knowledge in Silverlight
Also dead.
Irina Pykhova wrote:
WinPhone or Win8.
These are pretty risky bets, but they may pay off.
Irina Pykhova wrote:
I like xaml much more than WinForms or something like MFC
Or CSS, for that matter. XAML is great for the UI layout, I agree. Just not sure if there is any future in it.
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My weapon of Choice for windows apps, though not normally being a forms developer, I didn't get the whole who moved my cheese experience. It looks like Metro apps are pretty similar, pity no-one is using windows 8.
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*Cough* *ahem*. Watch this space.
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Gosh, that's news to me. Perhaps that futures talk I'm soon going to is a complete waste of time then. Scott has his own agenda. He was hurt pretty badly by the whole experience, and it pays to take what he says with a pinch of salt.
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Gosh, that's news to me. Perhaps that futures talk I'm soon going to is a complete waste of time then. Scott has his own agenda. He was hurt pretty badly by the whole experience, and it pays to take what he says with a pinch of salt.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierAfter reading some of his other posts, I am wondering if he is trying to cause Microsoft to go under. As it sure seems like he is. And if he is, he needs to see Psychologist, as he likely has something wrong with his mind. If he even has one.
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After reading some of his other posts, I am wondering if he is trying to cause Microsoft to go under. As it sure seems like he is. And if he is, he needs to see Psychologist, as he likely has something wrong with his mind. If he even has one.
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As I said. He has an agenda.
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Is fun. I have only really been working with it for about four days, and yet I already have a very good grasp on how it works. The issue I posted about eariler (related to disabled commands not having grayed out images) was easy to resolve with the class linked to in that post, and I have created a style to bind that class' (classes? class's?) IsFullColor dependency property to the IsEnabled property on the parent UIElement. It works, and is rather simple. I usually just type out the XAML by hand, as the designer is sort of finicky to get working the way you want it to. Other than that, WPF is quite easy, once you wrap your head around the various concepts, which may take a while.
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As I said. He has an agenda.
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Irina Pykhova wrote:
if you understand xaml, you can re-use your knowledge in Silverlight
Also dead.
Irina Pykhova wrote:
WinPhone or Win8.
These are pretty risky bets, but they may pay off.
Irina Pykhova wrote:
I like xaml much more than WinForms or something like MFC
Or CSS, for that matter. XAML is great for the UI layout, I agree. Just not sure if there is any future in it.
why not, do you have anything better? Html 5? No, thanks How something might die before there is some replacement? IMHO, it's not dead, it's just thinking where to grow
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Is fun. I have only really been working with it for about four days, and yet I already have a very good grasp on how it works. The issue I posted about eariler (related to disabled commands not having grayed out images) was easy to resolve with the class linked to in that post, and I have created a style to bind that class' (classes? class's?) IsFullColor dependency property to the IsEnabled property on the parent UIElement. It works, and is rather simple. I usually just type out the XAML by hand, as the designer is sort of finicky to get working the way you want it to. Other than that, WPF is quite easy, once you wrap your head around the various concepts, which may take a while.
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Brisingr Aerowing wrote:
the designer is sort of finickyan elephanting abortion
FTFY
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Well, if it's dead (as an MS desktop UI techonology), what's alive? :rolleyes:
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And what, may I ask, do you consider the 'replacement' for WPF? That person, and consequently you, seem to be complete ID-TEN-Ts. WPF is NOT dead. Anyone who says that needs to be taken out of the development community and put on a one-way trip to some other galaxy. And I don't care if this offends you, as I am sick and tired of hearing these complete nutcases declare 'X is dead' whenever a new technology comes out. So there. That is final/const/immutable/etc. Vote this abusive. I don't care. I just hate the people who say and do things like this, and the ones who believe those lies.
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Linux is dead! :P
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why not, do you have anything better? Html 5? No, thanks How something might die before there is some replacement? IMHO, it's not dead, it's just thinking where to grow
Irina Pykhova wrote:
How something might die before there is some replacement? IMHO, it's not dead, it's just thinking where to grow
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Gosh, that's news to me. Perhaps that futures talk I'm soon going to is a complete waste of time then. Scott has his own agenda. He was hurt pretty badly by the whole experience, and it pays to take what he says with a pinch of salt.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierHi Pete, I will be very curious to hear your upcoming futures' talk ! You mention "Scott has his own agenda," but no one on has posted on this thread with the name Scott, and I don't think you mean Scott Hanselmann. So, who is the "Scott" you refer to ? I'd like to read whatever he wrote that you are, perhaps, citing. thanks, Bill
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Is fun. I have only really been working with it for about four days, and yet I already have a very good grasp on how it works. The issue I posted about eariler (related to disabled commands not having grayed out images) was easy to resolve with the class linked to in that post, and I have created a style to bind that class' (classes? class's?) IsFullColor dependency property to the IsEnabled property on the parent UIElement. It works, and is rather simple. I usually just type out the XAML by hand, as the designer is sort of finicky to get working the way you want it to. Other than that, WPF is quite easy, once you wrap your head around the various concepts, which may take a while.
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Why aren't you using the existing forum for WPF here to discuss these issues ? I guess you're being such a genius, as evidenced your grasping WPF in only four days, also means that you need not concern yourself about the conventions (like what the Lounge is for) that other people pay attention to ... because they have a sense of social responsibility ? No, you must be very unique, and special. And, there is absolutely no reason for you to pay attention to what anyone else says that doesn't fit in with what your keen instincts tell you is correct. How dare anyone annoy you with a contradictory view; of course they should be deported to another galaxy. yours, Bill
Humans are amphibians: half spirit, half animal; as spirits they belong to the eternal world; as animals they inhabit time. While their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imagination are in continual change, for to be in time, means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy is undulation: repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks.” C.S. Lewis
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Hi Pete, I will be very curious to hear your upcoming futures' talk ! You mention "Scott has his own agenda," but no one on has posted on this thread with the name Scott, and I don't think you mean Scott Hanselmann. So, who is the "Scott" you refer to ? I'd like to read whatever he wrote that you are, perhaps, citing. thanks, Bill
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Scott Barnes is the person who wrote the blog entry. Have a read of his other blog posts - I'm in touch with Scott (aka MossyBlog) via other means, and he's pretty bitter about what happened with WPF/Silverlight.
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Why aren't you using the existing forum for WPF here to discuss these issues ? I guess you're being such a genius, as evidenced your grasping WPF in only four days, also means that you need not concern yourself about the conventions (like what the Lounge is for) that other people pay attention to ... because they have a sense of social responsibility ? No, you must be very unique, and special. And, there is absolutely no reason for you to pay attention to what anyone else says that doesn't fit in with what your keen instincts tell you is correct. How dare anyone annoy you with a contradictory view; of course they should be deported to another galaxy. yours, Bill
Humans are amphibians: half spirit, half animal; as spirits they belong to the eternal world; as animals they inhabit time. While their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imagination are in continual change, for to be in time, means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy is undulation: repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks.” C.S. Lewis
Bill, I don't see any programming question in this post (or his earlier one). Instead, I see someone who's enjoying himself, taking the time to tell others why he's having so much fun. I say good for him.
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Bill, I don't see any programming question in this post (or his earlier one). Instead, I see someone who's enjoying himself, taking the time to tell others why he's having so much fun. I say good for him.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierHi Pete, I have taken down my post, as you can see; on reflection it seemed too ad hominem. However, do you think this is an example of someone "enjoying himself:" "That person, and consequently you, seem to be complete ID-TEN-Ts. WPF is NOT dead. Anyone who says that needs to be taken out of the development community and put on a one-way trip to some other galaxy. And I don't care if this offends you, as I am sick and tired of hearing these complete nutcases declare 'X is dead' whenever a new technology comes out. So there. That is final/const/immutable/etc. Vote this abusive. I don't care. I just hate the people who say and do things like this, and the ones who believe those lies." yours, Bill
Humans are amphibians: half spirit, half animal; as spirits they belong to the eternal world; as animals they inhabit time. While their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imagination are in continual change, for to be in time, means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy is undulation: repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks.” C.S. Lewis
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Hi Pete, I have taken down my post, as you can see; on reflection it seemed too ad hominem. However, do you think this is an example of someone "enjoying himself:" "That person, and consequently you, seem to be complete ID-TEN-Ts. WPF is NOT dead. Anyone who says that needs to be taken out of the development community and put on a one-way trip to some other galaxy. And I don't care if this offends you, as I am sick and tired of hearing these complete nutcases declare 'X is dead' whenever a new technology comes out. So there. That is final/const/immutable/etc. Vote this abusive. I don't care. I just hate the people who say and do things like this, and the ones who believe those lies." yours, Bill
Humans are amphibians: half spirit, half animal; as spirits they belong to the eternal world; as animals they inhabit time. While their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imagination are in continual change, for to be in time, means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy is undulation: repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks.” C.S. Lewis
Bill, in that case I can see the frustration of someone who's reading a subtext of "why are you bothering with this stuff". Nemanja is an old C++ hand, and has never been well disposed to WPF, so I suspect it's a bit of mischief on his part posting that link (which was actually a very selective follow up to a piece that stated that WPF was living on in a different form as WinRT - an argument for another day). No one likes to be told that what they are doing is worthless, and I can see why the OP reacted; while I don't necessarily agree with resorting to insults to assert an argument, I can appreciate the frustration that led to it. So, is WPF dead? No, it's not. If WPF is dead, then so is WinForms. Currently, Microsoft is in a state of downplaying the desktop, but the fact that the desktop is still there in Windows 8 shows that it's still important to a lot of people, and WPF is a very powerful way to develop desktop apps. More importantly, the idea that WPF is dead presupposes that Windows 8 is gaining any real traction, and that's simply not the case. I think WPF's position is best summarised as "The King is dead. Long live the King".
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