Why won't PHP just die?
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It's simple... People keep using it! I've just read another raft of articles on how bad PHP is as a language and / or state of mind. They are all calling for its death and, in some cases, the unilateral eradication of its memory. Am I missing something really pointy here? If you dislike it that much, then don't use it... Shimples!. As an example, I'm particularly fond of continental (that's european) lager, and wouldn't give you tuppence for certain antipodean beverages - I couldn't give a XXXX (pronounced "4 ex") for most of them in fact. So what do I do? I get pleasantly sozzled on my tipple of choice and give the Koala effluent a suitably wide berth. I don't mock those tasteless oiks who wish to consume the stuff (though I have pointed and giggled inanely as they leave), nor do I call for the closure of any watering hole with the bare faced cheek to sell it. If people stop writing sensible software in PHP then it will die on its own, without any intervention from the development elite. But all the time people continue to use it, develop it and add support for it[^] PHP will continue to plod on as a major player on the web. If people don't like it then there is always that other little boozer just down the road a piece... Danny
It won't die because it's the environment offered by free or cheap web hosting. That means that amateurs will keep using it because they don't need expensive tools or hosting plans to use it. ASP.net is too heavyweight and Visual Studio dependent for a back room hacker to use. So what alternatives are there? Ruby on Rails or something like that would be good, but no cheap hosts offer it.
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It's simple... People keep using it! I've just read another raft of articles on how bad PHP is as a language and / or state of mind. They are all calling for its death and, in some cases, the unilateral eradication of its memory. Am I missing something really pointy here? If you dislike it that much, then don't use it... Shimples!. As an example, I'm particularly fond of continental (that's european) lager, and wouldn't give you tuppence for certain antipodean beverages - I couldn't give a XXXX (pronounced "4 ex") for most of them in fact. So what do I do? I get pleasantly sozzled on my tipple of choice and give the Koala effluent a suitably wide berth. I don't mock those tasteless oiks who wish to consume the stuff (though I have pointed and giggled inanely as they leave), nor do I call for the closure of any watering hole with the bare faced cheek to sell it. If people stop writing sensible software in PHP then it will die on its own, without any intervention from the development elite. But all the time people continue to use it, develop it and add support for it[^] PHP will continue to plod on as a major player on the web. If people don't like it then there is always that other little boozer just down the road a piece... Danny
Because it's easy, free and cheap. And because a lot of sites are using php, and will still be using it in the future. Why should it not be supported ? Just because some people decided it was not good for them ? Use it for what it was designed for, and then it is not worse than another language.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Because it's easy, free and cheap. And because a lot of sites are using php, and will still be using it in the future. Why should it not be supported ? Just because some people decided it was not good for them ? Use it for what it was designed for, and then it is not worse than another language.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
Amen to that! Danny
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It's simple... People keep using it! I've just read another raft of articles on how bad PHP is as a language and / or state of mind. They are all calling for its death and, in some cases, the unilateral eradication of its memory. Am I missing something really pointy here? If you dislike it that much, then don't use it... Shimples!. As an example, I'm particularly fond of continental (that's european) lager, and wouldn't give you tuppence for certain antipodean beverages - I couldn't give a XXXX (pronounced "4 ex") for most of them in fact. So what do I do? I get pleasantly sozzled on my tipple of choice and give the Koala effluent a suitably wide berth. I don't mock those tasteless oiks who wish to consume the stuff (though I have pointed and giggled inanely as they leave), nor do I call for the closure of any watering hole with the bare faced cheek to sell it. If people stop writing sensible software in PHP then it will die on its own, without any intervention from the development elite. But all the time people continue to use it, develop it and add support for it[^] PHP will continue to plod on as a major player on the web. If people don't like it then there is always that other little boozer just down the road a piece... Danny
The language may allow for bad code but developer can wrote well-designed PHP code using the MVC frameworks. Very seldom, developers wrote vanilla PHP code without framework like Yii or other popular frameworks.
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It won't die because it's the environment offered by free or cheap web hosting. That means that amateurs will keep using it because they don't need expensive tools or hosting plans to use it. ASP.net is too heavyweight and Visual Studio dependent for a back room hacker to use. So what alternatives are there? Ruby on Rails or something like that would be good, but no cheap hosts offer it.
BobJanova wrote:
It won't die because it's the environment offered by free or cheap web hosting.
It's not just the free and the cheap, most reputable hosts support it.
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It's simple... People keep using it! I've just read another raft of articles on how bad PHP is as a language and / or state of mind. They are all calling for its death and, in some cases, the unilateral eradication of its memory. Am I missing something really pointy here? If you dislike it that much, then don't use it... Shimples!. As an example, I'm particularly fond of continental (that's european) lager, and wouldn't give you tuppence for certain antipodean beverages - I couldn't give a XXXX (pronounced "4 ex") for most of them in fact. So what do I do? I get pleasantly sozzled on my tipple of choice and give the Koala effluent a suitably wide berth. I don't mock those tasteless oiks who wish to consume the stuff (though I have pointed and giggled inanely as they leave), nor do I call for the closure of any watering hole with the bare faced cheek to sell it. If people stop writing sensible software in PHP then it will die on its own, without any intervention from the development elite. But all the time people continue to use it, develop it and add support for it[^] PHP will continue to plod on as a major player on the web. If people don't like it then there is always that other little boozer just down the road a piece... Danny
Danny Martin wrote:
Am I missing something really pointy here? If you dislike it that much, then don't use it... Shimples!.
You're missing the fact that most of us don't get to choose their language. If your company has (or buys!) a legacy-app in PHP (or VB6) and you're tasked with working on it, you don't say "no", do you?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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The language may allow for bad code but developer can wrote well-designed PHP code using the MVC frameworks. Very seldom, developers wrote vanilla PHP code without framework like Yii or other popular frameworks.
Wong Shao Voon wrote:
Very seldom, developers wrote vanilla PHP code without framework like Yii or other popular frameworks
I find the exact opposite. The PHP world is the very nadir of software development practices. 90% of the PHP devs I've met don't even know that you can step through code with a debugger and still rely on some dump_args method to write everything directly into the page when they don't know what's going on. In 13 years I've met one PHP dev who knew about encapsulation, OO and parameterised queries, and he used Yii. The rest were just reinventing wheels in the worst possible ways.
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It's simple... People keep using it! I've just read another raft of articles on how bad PHP is as a language and / or state of mind. They are all calling for its death and, in some cases, the unilateral eradication of its memory. Am I missing something really pointy here? If you dislike it that much, then don't use it... Shimples!. As an example, I'm particularly fond of continental (that's european) lager, and wouldn't give you tuppence for certain antipodean beverages - I couldn't give a XXXX (pronounced "4 ex") for most of them in fact. So what do I do? I get pleasantly sozzled on my tipple of choice and give the Koala effluent a suitably wide berth. I don't mock those tasteless oiks who wish to consume the stuff (though I have pointed and giggled inanely as they leave), nor do I call for the closure of any watering hole with the bare faced cheek to sell it. If people stop writing sensible software in PHP then it will die on its own, without any intervention from the development elite. But all the time people continue to use it, develop it and add support for it[^] PHP will continue to plod on as a major player on the web. If people don't like it then there is always that other little boozer just down the road a piece... Danny
Its free free free, everything about it is free.. make asp.net free(from development to deployment) and we will kill PHP together..! :P
Divide And Conquer
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Danny Martin wrote:
Am I missing something really pointy here? If you dislike it that much, then don't use it... Shimples!.
You're missing the fact that most of us don't get to choose their language. If your company has (or buys!) a legacy-app in PHP (or VB6) and you're tasked with working on it, you don't say "no", do you?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
A good point, well made... :-O Danny
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Wong Shao Voon wrote:
Very seldom, developers wrote vanilla PHP code without framework like Yii or other popular frameworks
I find the exact opposite. The PHP world is the very nadir of software development practices. 90% of the PHP devs I've met don't even know that you can step through code with a debugger and still rely on some dump_args method to write everything directly into the page when they don't know what's going on. In 13 years I've met one PHP dev who knew about encapsulation, OO and parameterised queries, and he used Yii. The rest were just reinventing wheels in the worst possible ways.
jim lahey wrote:
In 13 years I've met one PHP dev who knew about encapsulation, OO and parameterised queries
You have now met 2! ;o) I don't use off the shelf libraries and frameworks though. We built our own in-house. Danny
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Its free free free, everything about it is free.. make asp.net free(from development to deployment) and we will kill PHP together..! :P
Divide And Conquer