Not Metro Not Touch... Then what's special about windows 8?
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WINDOWS 8>>> It had metro, touch ui... but that's not the buzz!! Then what?? This is?? It took more than 20 years to MS to repair the window frame that was bent back in 98... albeit still skewed :laugh:
(1) Performance: Faster boot, loading and better execution times. (2) Convergence: Unified OS and UI for desktops, laptops, tablets and phones. (3) Integration: Far better integration with the cloud (SkyDrive, etc.) and web apps. The only negative I have found (and heard from clients) is the learning curve. Get over it. With computers, there is always something new to learn. Just because you've learned something 10 or 20 years ago, it doesn't mean it can support you forever. I do not work for Microsoft. I have Win8 on my desktop, 3 laptops, 2 tablets and my Windows Phone. I am a 63-year-old software developer and I am no gadget geek. I love Windows 8.
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I like it and wait for the end of the current project to jump head-first into WinRT. We have spent a lot of time figuring out how to be the only app on the screen, enlarging the text on the screen to support the common visually impaired, information overloaded, etc. ...
I'm curious how you made out with trying to be the only app on the screen. We're looking at an upcoming project where this would be required. Are you aware that Windows 8.1/Blue is reported to have the "Kiosk" feature which will allow you to lock down to one-app "out of the box"? Chris
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I'm curious how you made out with trying to be the only app on the screen. We're looking at an upcoming project where this would be required. Are you aware that Windows 8.1/Blue is reported to have the "Kiosk" feature which will allow you to lock down to one-app "out of the box"? Chris
We have started here: http://delphi.about.com/od/windowsshellapi/l/aa012103a.htm[^] Unfortunately I have moved away from that project before Vista times, so I can't look after how it works now.
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On a tablet type device (or even a phone) it does make sense. Touch input, big "buttons", no input devices. But on anything business related? No.
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
If Microsoft are keen to encourage folk to use touch screens, why do they show someone using a mouse on this demo... http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/how-shut-down-turn-off-pc
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(1) Performance: Faster boot, loading and better execution times. (2) Convergence: Unified OS and UI for desktops, laptops, tablets and phones. (3) Integration: Far better integration with the cloud (SkyDrive, etc.) and web apps. The only negative I have found (and heard from clients) is the learning curve. Get over it. With computers, there is always something new to learn. Just because you've learned something 10 or 20 years ago, it doesn't mean it can support you forever. I do not work for Microsoft. I have Win8 on my desktop, 3 laptops, 2 tablets and my Windows Phone. I am a 63-year-old software developer and I am no gadget geek. I love Windows 8.
I always find it hilarious when some random guy tells me that he's going to abbandon the windows ship after 15+ years of working on that platform exclusively and is going for a mac instead... and then cites the "learning curve of windows 8" as the reason for making that jump. :omg:
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Sorry? To me, that makes no sense whatsoever...
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
The logo.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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To me it makes a lot of sense. And I mean that in a big way. I used to have a desktop at home, a desktop at the office, a laptop for on the road and a tablet for browsing the web while in the sofa. Now, I have a single windows 8 hybrid tablet. I was literally able to throw out my 2 desktops, my laptop AND my tablet and replace them all with a single surface pro tablet. People yap that the surface pro is "to expensive". It's not cheap, true. But it's not any more expensive then comparable ultrabooks. And in addition, I don't actually have a need for desktops, laptops and tablets anymore. This means that a single 1100 bucks device (with another 250 bucks for a USB3.0 docking station) saves me 4000 bucks worth of now-obsolete devices. I'ld call that a good deal. My home desktop now functions only as a media- and fileserver. My personal opinion is that this is exactly what microsoft had in mind when developing both windows 8 as well as the surface line. And I can only applaud it as being absolutely genius. Are there still quirks in it? Off course... All new products usually have. My guess is that windows 8.1 will solve a lot of those. But even with the current quirks, I would not want to go back to 4 devices with windows 7, android/ios and all the sync troubles that gave me. Now, I have my full pc with me everywhere I go. I have all my important files on skydrive. Through the skydrive desktop app on my fileserver, I have access to everything on that server as well. In my useage scenario's as a professional software engineer, this beats anything I previously owned hands down. Imo, it also beats anything currently on the market by any and all competitors. At least for what I use computers for - off course. My use cases are mine by defenition. So to answer your question: Yes, it makes a lot of sense to me. And no, I do not work for microsoft.
I prefer to keep some eggs in different baskets. Can we spell SPoF, children?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I prefer to keep some eggs in different baskets. Can we spell SPoF, children?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I get that. However, my surface is only a means to an end. It only holds my installed software. My personal data is all on my fileserver, wich I back-up frequently. And the important data (family photo's, some documents etc) is backed up on skydrive as well (so I have it on at least 3 locations at all times) As for the code of the projects I work on, that's all stocked in code repositories on various servers. In other words, if my surface explodes today, I'll be up and running later today with a new device without any loss of data, except for what wasn't saved during the explosion. :-) As my professional (and to some extent my personal) life is largely digital, the possibility of SPoF is probably my single biggest nightmare. So yea, I took the necessary steps to avoid it at all costs :-)
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WINDOWS 8>>> It had metro, touch ui... but that's not the buzz!! Then what?? This is?? It took more than 20 years to MS to repair the window frame that was bent back in 98... albeit still skewed :laugh:
Its looking like M$ has conditioned us to Skip every other OS version. > Crap OS > fixed Crap OS > Crap OS > fixed Crap OS > Crap OS > fixed Crap OS SHIP IT! SHIP IT! SHIP IT! SHIP IT! SHIP IT! SHIP IT! SHIP IT! SHIP IT! SHIP IT!
Where there's smoke, there's a Blue Screen of death.
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WINDOWS 8>>> It had metro, touch ui... but that's not the buzz!! Then what?? This is?? It took more than 20 years to MS to repair the window frame that was bent back in 98... albeit still skewed :laugh:
Much faster boot times is the biggest thing for me with Win8. I think MS claims better encryption / security with IE10 as well. I have a touchscreen laptop and I enjoy the Modern UI apps for watching videos, surfing, and using news apps while still having the old desktop for doing my daily work. I Installed Classic Shell to get the start menu back on the desktop.
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Do you know (preferably not employed by Mickeysoft) anyone to whom Windows 8 makes any sense? :)
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It makes sense to me, Microsoft needed a OS that could be used in a tablet to leverage against Android and iOS, it's not perfect but I wasn't expecting perfection in a 1.0 product.
CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...
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WINDOWS 8>>> It had metro, touch ui... but that's not the buzz!! Then what?? This is?? It took more than 20 years to MS to repair the window frame that was bent back in 98... albeit still skewed :laugh:
Amitosh Swain wrote:
It took more than 20 years to MS to repair the window frame that was bent back in 98... albeit still skewed :laugh:
Since you apparently have a time machine and acess to at least 5 years into the future, could you please tell us which companies and technologies are going to win the next few rounds so we can prepare in advance?
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Much faster boot times is the biggest thing for me with Win8. I think MS claims better encryption / security with IE10 as well. I have a touchscreen laptop and I enjoy the Modern UI apps for watching videos, surfing, and using news apps while still having the old desktop for doing my daily work. I Installed Classic Shell to get the start menu back on the desktop.
IE10 has a major security hole in combining the search and address boxes. If you mistype an intranet URL it goes off to your default search provider with whatever proprietary information may be in it. If you turn off automatic search you cannot manually search.
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IE10 has a major security hole in combining the search and address boxes. If you mistype an intranet URL it goes off to your default search provider with whatever proprietary information may be in it. If you turn off automatic search you cannot manually search.
since i'm in ie 10 but I'm not in an intranet so not a problem
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I used to think that, but after two months I've found a couple of problems that make it bad for even tablets: 1. Windows update is fickle, the process uninformative, and it will trigger on the most inopportune times. It assumes internet connectivity to be available at most times*, while people are often using portable devices (tablets, laptops) where it is not. 2. windows app store only makes sense with near constant internet connectivity*. Thats fine for smartphones, but not for tablets, and certainly not for any kind of laptop considering they're often used while travelling or commuting 3. settings: while the W8 search feature is great, if you want to adapt your setting for anything more complex than screen resolution, then you pretty much have to check multiple option screens in different places. If you found system control in W7 difficult to navigate, you'll find settings in W8 to be a nightmare. Check out energy saving options if you don't believe me... 4. "Modern" flat UI: there is no more graphical hint to discern labels from buttons or other menus. 'nough said. 5. "Modern" Start screen pollution on install: not sure about apps (I don't use or install any W8 apps), but installing desktop applications will automatically add every exectuable file to the start screen without asking! After installing VS 2010 I had to remove tons of icons for executables, most of which AFAIK can only be sensibly used from the command line! 6. Bad discoverability: this may be ok for phones, but on tablets or laptops with a considerable amount of screen estate there is no reason to hide away functionality by default. Why does it require an extra gesture to open the charm bar or any of the other main control and tool bars? Why can't I pin them permanently to the edge of the screen? The only good things about W8 are the considerably improved search capabilities and the improved performance. In it's current state I consider W8 a downgrade compared to W7, and I'm not sure Blue (W8.1) will change this. *: I am aware that you can get wireless internet connection for any device in most countries, but it is expensive compared to wired networks (especially with roaming fees). Even on my smart phone I normally switch off the internet data connection unless I use it, because having it active at all times adds considerable cost due to background app activity.
Stefan_Lang wrote:
*: I am aware that you can get wireless internet connection for any device in most countries, but it is expensive compared to wired networks (especially with roaming fees). Even on my smart phone I normally switch off the internet data connection unless I use it, because having it active at all times adds considerable cost due to background app activity.
Oh! Then think of me... in India, Odisha, Cuttack... WiFi is a dream.
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They took all the visual effects out and so it's very quick even on an old Celeron chip. - That's about it.
It works on there?? I heard it requires Pae which isn't on Celeron... coz I have got a Celeron box lying
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Amitosh Swain wrote:
It took more than 20 years to MS to repair the window frame that was bent back in 98... albeit still skewed :laugh:
Since you apparently have a time machine and acess to at least 5 years into the future, could you please tell us which companies and technologies are going to win the next few rounds so we can prepare in advance?
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Dan Neely wrote:
Since you apparently have a time machine and acess to at least 5 years into the future, could you please tell us which companies and technologies are going to win the next few rounds so we can prepare in advance?
You can't change the future ;P
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WINDOWS 8>>> It had metro, touch ui... but that's not the buzz!! Then what?? This is?? It took more than 20 years to MS to repair the window frame that was bent back in 98... albeit still skewed :laugh:
What's special about Windows 8... Absolutely NOTHING... in fact I'd go the other way, Windows 8 is a total disaster, a huge step backwards. Every time I use it I get pissed at it and wish I never had to see it again.
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I used to think that, but after two months I've found a couple of problems that make it bad for even tablets: 1. Windows update is fickle, the process uninformative, and it will trigger on the most inopportune times. It assumes internet connectivity to be available at most times*, while people are often using portable devices (tablets, laptops) where it is not. 2. windows app store only makes sense with near constant internet connectivity*. Thats fine for smartphones, but not for tablets, and certainly not for any kind of laptop considering they're often used while travelling or commuting 3. settings: while the W8 search feature is great, if you want to adapt your setting for anything more complex than screen resolution, then you pretty much have to check multiple option screens in different places. If you found system control in W7 difficult to navigate, you'll find settings in W8 to be a nightmare. Check out energy saving options if you don't believe me... 4. "Modern" flat UI: there is no more graphical hint to discern labels from buttons or other menus. 'nough said. 5. "Modern" Start screen pollution on install: not sure about apps (I don't use or install any W8 apps), but installing desktop applications will automatically add every exectuable file to the start screen without asking! After installing VS 2010 I had to remove tons of icons for executables, most of which AFAIK can only be sensibly used from the command line! 6. Bad discoverability: this may be ok for phones, but on tablets or laptops with a considerable amount of screen estate there is no reason to hide away functionality by default. Why does it require an extra gesture to open the charm bar or any of the other main control and tool bars? Why can't I pin them permanently to the edge of the screen? The only good things about W8 are the considerably improved search capabilities and the improved performance. In it's current state I consider W8 a downgrade compared to W7, and I'm not sure Blue (W8.1) will change this. *: I am aware that you can get wireless internet connection for any device in most countries, but it is expensive compared to wired networks (especially with roaming fees). Even on my smart phone I normally switch off the internet data connection unless I use it, because having it active at all times adds considerable cost due to background app activity.
W8 is not compatible with most of the PC. For my 23 inch All in one desktop the w8 supports just 21.5 inch :(
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What's special about Windows 8... Absolutely NOTHING... in fact I'd go the other way, Windows 8 is a total disaster, a huge step backwards. Every time I use it I get pissed at it and wish I never had to see it again.
+1 to the fact... (For being my supporter...) IMHO, win7 is my best... or better go for Linux!
