Does anybody 'Hide extensions for known file types'?
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I don't see how that causes any confusion - it is just part of the file name. I would think the potential to have several files in the same location with (apparently) the same name would be more confusing...
Extensions are meant for the OS only. Average user doesn't need to bother with them. Its a rather stupid way of detecting the file type. While the geeks want to see it, average consumer doesn't. No need to guess who's the majority here, do we?
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Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
I don't know who in their right mind decided "Let's hide file extensions, that seems a great idea!".
Having been involved in supporting people who are not (to put it politely) PC-literate, for a number of years, I think it's an excellent idea. Extensions are just something else to confuse the lay-person, who really could not care less. They just want to know where their letter, leaflet, or bank statement can be found.
Use the best guess
Rather than treating users as if they were stupid, I think that the best policy would be to educate them. Hiding extensions might simplify some issues, but causes others when there are two or more files with the same name other than the extension, and they try to get what they want by clicking on the wrong one, or give up because they don't know what to do.
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Rather than treating users as if they were stupid, I think that the best policy would be to educate them. Hiding extensions might simplify some issues, but causes others when there are two or more files with the same name other than the extension, and they try to get what they want by clicking on the wrong one, or give up because they don't know what to do.
Bruce Patin wrote:
Rather than treating users as if they were stupid, I think that the best policy would be to educate them.
I agree, but I have met many users who are really not interested in the technicalities. As long as they can do what they want they are happy. A bit like all the people who drive automatic cars, and have no understanding of how gearing works.
Use the best guess
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Lloyd Atkinson wrote:
I don't know who in their right mind decided "Let's hide file extensions, that seems a great idea!".
Having been involved in supporting people who are not (to put it politely) PC-literate, for a number of years, I think it's an excellent idea. Extensions are just something else to confuse the lay-person, who really could not care less. They just want to know where their letter, leaflet, or bank statement can be found.
Use the best guess
Doesn't it make things more difficult for you in the long run? How do you start explaining to a layperson why their .docx file from work doesn't open with Word 2003 at home when they can't see the extension?
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Turning that "feature" off is one of the first things I do on any Windows install. I find it incredibly irritating having to rely in an icon in explorer to determine the file type. I don't know who in their right mind decided "Let's hide file extensions, that seems a great idea!".
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Doesn't it make things more difficult for you in the long run? How do you start explaining to a layperson why their .docx file from work doesn't open with Word 2003 at home when they can't see the extension?
You don't need to; the average lay person uses Spreadsheets, Documents and email. They only ever have one file type that they are interested in so the issue never arises. Geeks and nerds like us are the only people who care about all these differences.
Use the best guess
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There are few things as dull as installing Windows. I'm in the update stage and having downloaded the updates, it's installing them - 141 of them. That's just Windows, once I get Office on there and Visual Studio there'll be all the service packs as it morphs from 'Windows' to 'Microsoft' update. In my set-up routine I always go into file explorer and make all the file extensions show up as I'm simply lost without them. Also hidden files, but this time I'm going to leave system files hidden. So question - does anybody hide file extensions or does everybody turn them back on?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
I used to show them so I could change extensions, first it was mostly RAR/CBR,ZIP/CBZ, lately I often see *.MPG instead of MP4. Grab this and this, if needed, and you're good to go without extensions. Installing Windows can be fun if you do it in a different way. When I bought new HD for my laptop, I put it in an external usb case, linked it to VirtualBox, sysprep-ed and installed/updated everything, finally transferred all my custom settings and registry tweaks. All that while listening to music and websurfing, less than 1.5 hour. Then I just swapped hard drives and waited for finale.
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Turning that "feature" off is one of the first things I do on any Windows install. I find it incredibly irritating having to rely in an icon in explorer to determine the file type. I don't know who in their right mind decided "Let's hide file extensions, that seems a great idea!".
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\Yes, me too. It's a totally unnecessary feature, and making it the DEFAULT is insane. It's hardest on beginners that REALLY need the extensions to make sense of what's happening, and THESE are the people who don't have a clue how to change it (or even that it needs to be changed.) From the people who brought you COM and Vista and unmeasurable .NET text.
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There are few things as dull as installing Windows. I'm in the update stage and having downloaded the updates, it's installing them - 141 of them. That's just Windows, once I get Office on there and Visual Studio there'll be all the service packs as it morphs from 'Windows' to 'Microsoft' update. In my set-up routine I always go into file explorer and make all the file extensions show up as I'm simply lost without them. Also hidden files, but this time I'm going to leave system files hidden. So question - does anybody hide file extensions or does everybody turn them back on?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Years back a former girlfriend came back from work mightily irritated with her boss and co-workers. She was annoyed that they had gotten angry with her. All she had done was to clean up the mess in their network folders. When I asked what happened, she told me all she had done was to go through all their folders and rename each file to get rid of the incomprehensible bit at the end of each file name. She had noticed that 'it' came up with a strange warning. But that was incomprehensible as well so she didn't pay any heed! She really thought it very unfair that everybody had gotten so upset with her. A little real story as an example where hidden file extensions would have been a good thing. (PS: She was very good looking!)
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There are few things as dull as installing Windows. I'm in the update stage and having downloaded the updates, it's installing them - 141 of them. That's just Windows, once I get Office on there and Visual Studio there'll be all the service packs as it morphs from 'Windows' to 'Microsoft' update. In my set-up routine I always go into file explorer and make all the file extensions show up as I'm simply lost without them. Also hidden files, but this time I'm going to leave system files hidden. So question - does anybody hide file extensions or does everybody turn them back on?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
I usually turn it on. As a developer, I sometimes need to know the exact extension of the file, e.g. windows display .xls and .xlsx exactly the same when this feature is turn off but it treats two types of file differently.
petersgyoung
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Extensions are meant for the OS only. Average user doesn't need to bother with them. Its a rather stupid way of detecting the file type. While the geeks want to see it, average consumer doesn't. No need to guess who's the majority here, do we?
If you receive a file named "playme.exe" and has a Windows Media Player icon, you do need to know the extension. Even if you are a lay person. Or else you cannot even be warned. There is no excuse for not knowing what you're doing.
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Turning that "feature" off is one of the first things I do on any Windows install. I find it incredibly irritating having to rely in an icon in explorer to determine the file type. I don't know who in their right mind decided "Let's hide file extensions, that seems a great idea!".
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\Indeed. Not only is it more difficult to determine the type based on an icon, it can also be ambiguous. E. g. you could store your template function implementations in foo.hpp and your 'normal' header in foo.h, but Explorer would show both with the same name and icon!
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In the "good old days", Office applications had names like "Word", "Excel", "Powerpoint". So when in the Start menu, you could use the keyboard to select them by just typing the first letter. Then (from Office 2003 or thereabouts) they changed the app names to "Microsoft Office Access", "Microsoft Office Excel" etc, so making single-letter selection from the start menu impossible. Don't know what bright spark came up with that "improvement" but they should have lost their job... or at least their promotion. Bet they didn't, though. If I'm using a system with Office pre-installed the next thing I do after "fixing" the hidden file extensions is to "correct" the names in the start menu so that they're useable. :-(
DerekTP123 wrote:
Don't know what bright spark came up with that "improvement"
Don't know what bright spark idiotic marketing douche-bag came up with that "improvement". FTFY
Software Zen:
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There are few things as dull as installing Windows. I'm in the update stage and having downloaded the updates, it's installing them - 141 of them. That's just Windows, once I get Office on there and Visual Studio there'll be all the service packs as it morphs from 'Windows' to 'Microsoft' update. In my set-up routine I always go into file explorer and make all the file extensions show up as I'm simply lost without them. Also hidden files, but this time I'm going to leave system files hidden. So question - does anybody hide file extensions or does everybody turn them back on?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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You don't need to; the average lay person uses Spreadsheets, Documents and email. They only ever have one file type that they are interested in so the issue never arises. Geeks and nerds like us are the only people who care about all these differences.
Use the best guess
The issue that comes up is these average lay persons you speak of, only being aware of "Spreadsheets, Documents and email" will not understand why the Spreadsheet they copied from work doesn't work at home. And almost any attempt to troubleshoot with them may end up a very difficult task.
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I don't know who in their right mind decided "Let's hide file extensions, that seems a great idea!".
This statement just proves that you are a "developer" and not a "user". Microsoft figures there are many more "users" than "developers" and the "developers" can figure it out or develop their own script to change it. It should be a compliment to you that Microsoft thinks you are smart enough to fix what bugs you.
Brent
Unfortunately with hidden extensions, many average users in the past didn't realize they were clicking on a file something like MusicFile.mp3.vbs or MusicFile.mp3.exe, was a bigger problem back in KaZaa and Limewire days, but it's still there.
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The issue that comes up is these average lay persons you speak of, only being aware of "Spreadsheets, Documents and email" will not understand why the Spreadsheet they copied from work doesn't work at home. And almost any attempt to troubleshoot with them may end up a very difficult task.
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There are few things as dull as installing Windows. I'm in the update stage and having downloaded the updates, it's installing them - 141 of them. That's just Windows, once I get Office on there and Visual Studio there'll be all the service packs as it morphs from 'Windows' to 'Microsoft' update. In my set-up routine I always go into file explorer and make all the file extensions show up as I'm simply lost without them. Also hidden files, but this time I'm going to leave system files hidden. So question - does anybody hide file extensions or does everybody turn them back on?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
All the graddies I work with seem to. They seem to know what the damn icons mean and seem very amused when I can't figure out which one of the files is the C++ solution and which is the project, exe or pdb.
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There are few things as dull as installing Windows. I'm in the update stage and having downloaded the updates, it's installing them - 141 of them. That's just Windows, once I get Office on there and Visual Studio there'll be all the service packs as it morphs from 'Windows' to 'Microsoft' update. In my set-up routine I always go into file explorer and make all the file extensions show up as I'm simply lost without them. Also hidden files, but this time I'm going to leave system files hidden. So question - does anybody hide file extensions or does everybody turn them back on?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
This "feature" was most likely created for end users. Not the generic end user, mind you, the type of end user that prompted them to hide which files were being copied in Windows 8, since the "users" cancelled the copying, since they got "scared" due to the file names flashing past (Akin to old movie deletions) Take something simple, like "notepad.exe" Whilst a person with an inch of computing knowledge would see that as "notepad" "dot" "exe", someone without such knowledge would see it as "notepaddotexe" which would be akin to someone WITH knowledge seeing something like "notepad&@&#@&" (Generally a virus created file) Unfortunately MS have to design their OS's for everyone - From the geek that's been using PC's for the past 10 years, to the person that thinks their sink is threatening to kill them...
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Kyudos wrote:
it is just part of the file name.
I was talking about people who have no real understanding of how filenames are structured, or why. They just understand documents and folders.
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