Anyone else have crappy browsers?
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Go to IE 10 then... Starts with a bang, loads pages with a bang. Caveat: Requires windows 7 sp1. And the dependency that you speak of... may be http request to net that may be intercepted by your AV. Or have you got the Chrome Frame?? Oh I just figure out that Firefox and IE use the same DNS resolver (windows built-in) whereas, chrome uses it's own built-in async dns resolver. Another reason for slowness is addons, Do you have adblock plus or something that modify the HTML dom?? To all those you say chrome is the best... IMHO, it's the most user unfriendly "liar" browser with a very poor start-up... Just take a try at IE 10, you will forget Chrome. And for Firefox, I can't live without it if ever I have a page to design. So whatever performance it gives, it will remain always on my PC. Also, it's performance isn't that bad... it's good. IonMonkey is one of the fastest JavaScript interpreters available and Gecko is a great advanced rendering engine, with support for latest standards. Only the startup is that pains me... I don't have tha patience to wait for 30 secs while IE does that in ~2 seconds in a freshly rebooted system. Edit: As our collegue,Chris Losinger points out, the latest version of Firefox is a major improvement and it starts within seconds... Just make sure to remove unnecessary add-ons! (My necessity pack includes, ABP and SkipScreen) In fact, now it will also become my mainstream browser. And bring chrome to competition, it takes ~5 sec to show the window but more than a minute to initialize and become usable. Conclusion, IE was faster, and will always be. God be with you great IE!
Amitosh Swain wrote:
God be with you great IE!
Please take no offense, but when I read that I almost lost my breakfast to my keyboard.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Amitosh Swain wrote:
God be with you great IE!
Please take no offense, but when I read that I almost lost my breakfast to my keyboard.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Please take no offense, but when I read that I almost lost my breakfast to my keyboard.
Never mind... I won't take any offence. It's just personal taste. I'm serious, Just as IE6 was a breakthrough, IE10 is also something similar. Had IE been updated regularly to meet evolving W3C standards, it would still remain unrivalled. But I'll say, get a try of IE10 ;) And it's going to be a dinner here :laugh:
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Please take no offense, but when I read that I almost lost my breakfast to my keyboard.
Never mind... I won't take any offence. It's just personal taste. I'm serious, Just as IE6 was a breakthrough, IE10 is also something similar. Had IE been updated regularly to meet evolving W3C standards, it would still remain unrivalled. But I'll say, get a try of IE10 ;) And it's going to be a dinner here :laugh:
Amitosh Swain wrote:
Just as IE6 was a breakthrough breakdown, IE10 is also something similar.
FTFY!
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Please take no offense, but when I read that I almost lost my breakfast to my keyboard.
Never mind... I won't take any offence. It's just personal taste. I'm serious, Just as IE6 was a breakthrough, IE10 is also something similar. Had IE been updated regularly to meet evolving W3C standards, it would still remain unrivalled. But I'll say, get a try of IE10 ;) And it's going to be a dinner here :laugh:
I prefer my SeaMonkey. I don't feeling like being forced into buying a new version of Windows just to try out their browser as it slinks towards compliance with HTML5/CSS3. FF, &etc., all allow me to update without being forced to buy anything and embrace compliance. Therefore, I need to ask you: I'm quite a privacy fanatic. Does this new IE allow one to select "accept for session only" with cookies - or is it still just accept or deny? Lot's of other crap they don't do to me, either. Note I didn't say "chrome" because I don't trust Google on any privacy issues, ever, won't use Chrome, and hate even sending email to gmail users.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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For a long time I've just dismissed this as pure coincidence. But recently I've pretty much concluded that in some way shape or form FF and Chrome depend on IE to work. A couple of years ago I started using Chrome all the time (After Opera became bogged down with junk) and I thought it was great, until it became frustrating trying to browse to pages, it would just sit there with it's patronising spinning icon doing absolutely nothing, and no matter how many times you refreshed the tab it wouldn't do a thing. Open IE, as soon as IE displays the page title, bang, Chrome magically loads the page. Fast forward to know, and I'm getting the same thing with both Firefox AND Chrome. Yesterday I browsed to a page and Firefox just say there, so after about 20 seconds I opened IE. Firefox loaded the page. :|
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I prefer my SeaMonkey. I don't feeling like being forced into buying a new version of Windows just to try out their browser as it slinks towards compliance with HTML5/CSS3. FF, &etc., all allow me to update without being forced to buy anything and embrace compliance. Therefore, I need to ask you: I'm quite a privacy fanatic. Does this new IE allow one to select "accept for session only" with cookies - or is it still just accept or deny? Lot's of other crap they don't do to me, either. Note I didn't say "chrome" because I don't trust Google on any privacy issues, ever, won't use Chrome, and hate even sending email to gmail users.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Therefore, I need to ask you: I'm quite a privacy fanatic. Does this new IE allow one to select "accept for session only" with cookies - or is it still just accept or deny? Lot's of other crap they don't do to me, either. Note I didn't say "chrome" because I don't trust Google on any privacy issues, ever, won't use Chrome, and hate even sending email to gmail users.
I use InPrivate Browsing whenever I want to avoid cookies and the like. I also use the Stop Google Tracking list in the Tracking Protection.
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I prefer my SeaMonkey. I don't feeling like being forced into buying a new version of Windows just to try out their browser as it slinks towards compliance with HTML5/CSS3. FF, &etc., all allow me to update without being forced to buy anything and embrace compliance. Therefore, I need to ask you: I'm quite a privacy fanatic. Does this new IE allow one to select "accept for session only" with cookies - or is it still just accept or deny? Lot's of other crap they don't do to me, either. Note I didn't say "chrome" because I don't trust Google on any privacy issues, ever, won't use Chrome, and hate even sending email to gmail users.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I don't feeling like being forced into buying a new version of Windows just to try out their browser as it slinks towards compliance with HTML5/CSS3. FF, &etc., all allow me to update without being forced to buy anything and embrace compliance.
Requires win7 sp1... I assume you're not fiddling with Xp, right??
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Therefore, I need to ask you: I'm quite a privacy fanatic. Does this new IE allow one to select "accept for session only" with cookies - or is it still just accept or deny? Lot's of other crap they don't do to me, either. Note I didn't say "chrome" because I don't trust Google on any privacy issues, ever, won't use Chrome, and hate even sending email to gmail users.
Do you mean by something similar private browsing in FF and SeaMonkey?? Then type Ctrl+Shift+P to go into InPrivate. You can even use the built-in Tracking Protection mechanism to block even more as well as ads too. AFAIK, IE was first to implement this InPrivate feature.
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Amitosh Swain wrote:
Just as IE6 was a breakthrough breakdown, IE10 is also something similar.
FTFY!
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
As you take it it is... AFAIR, when IE6 was out there was a Netscape that crashed and hanged very very frequently... later was doomed and morphed into Mozilla. On my dial-up and Celeron box, I remember IE6 to take less time than Netscape. And hardly I remember of any browser crashes. But I agree, later it went on to become a breakdown! Due to lack of maintainance.
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Amitosh Swain wrote:
Just as IE6 was a breakthrough breakdown, IE10 is also something similar.
FTFY!
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
Although we all laugh at it now, IE6 was something of a step forward at the time, and it was better than the alternatives by some distance. IE took a huge lead with v5.5 and it retained that for a couple of years while the Mozilla Foundation got themselves sorted out from the mess of Netscape. You shouldn't be using IE6 now (except for testing graceful degradation), but nor should you be using Netscape 7 or even Firefox 1.x.
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Although we all laugh at it now, IE6 was something of a step forward at the time, and it was better than the alternatives by some distance. IE took a huge lead with v5.5 and it retained that for a couple of years while the Mozilla Foundation got themselves sorted out from the mess of Netscape. You shouldn't be using IE6 now (except for testing graceful degradation), but nor should you be using Netscape 7 or even Firefox 1.x.
BobJanova wrote:
You shouldn't be using IE6 now (except for testing graceful degradation), but nor should you be using Netscape 7 or even Firefox 1.x.
Definitely I'm not... currently I'm using IE10 and Firefox 21
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I don't feeling like being forced into buying a new version of Windows just to try out their browser as it slinks towards compliance with HTML5/CSS3. FF, &etc., all allow me to update without being forced to buy anything and embrace compliance.
Requires win7 sp1... I assume you're not fiddling with Xp, right??
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Therefore, I need to ask you: I'm quite a privacy fanatic. Does this new IE allow one to select "accept for session only" with cookies - or is it still just accept or deny? Lot's of other crap they don't do to me, either. Note I didn't say "chrome" because I don't trust Google on any privacy issues, ever, won't use Chrome, and hate even sending email to gmail users.
Do you mean by something similar private browsing in FF and SeaMonkey?? Then type Ctrl+Shift+P to go into InPrivate. You can even use the built-in Tracking Protection mechanism to block even more as well as ads too. AFAIK, IE was first to implement this InPrivate feature.
Amitosh Swain wrote:
Requires win7 sp1... I assume you're not fiddling with Xp, right??
Not the point: being forced to spend money to begin to get their version of a browser complaint with some modern standards still requires new Windows version purchase.* I couldn't say if it's similar to private browsing: I tell it to ask me about cookies and then I select allow/allow-for-session/deny, and whether I wish my answer to be maintained or not. Not a special mode. Browser is trained to my needs and standards, not Micro$oft$'s. The add-blocker is so effective I was surprised when I saw what others see when they browse. I can block web-beacons, etc., as well, and have been able to (selectively, if I wish) take care of Flash-cookies for years. You are, it seems, excited by the discovery of features that are old standards by other browser's reckoning. Then, too, I must admit avoiding wasting any more time on IE then forced to when checking how a web page displays. * Fiddling with XP? Corporate users with an investment in hundreds of XP licenses would beg to differ with your thinking when faced with the cost (Windows licenses, software upgrades, labor) of the change.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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For a long time I've just dismissed this as pure coincidence. But recently I've pretty much concluded that in some way shape or form FF and Chrome depend on IE to work. A couple of years ago I started using Chrome all the time (After Opera became bogged down with junk) and I thought it was great, until it became frustrating trying to browse to pages, it would just sit there with it's patronising spinning icon doing absolutely nothing, and no matter how many times you refreshed the tab it wouldn't do a thing. Open IE, as soon as IE displays the page title, bang, Chrome magically loads the page. Fast forward to know, and I'm getting the same thing with both Firefox AND Chrome. Yesterday I browsed to a page and Firefox just say there, so after about 20 seconds I opened IE. Firefox loaded the page. :|
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\IE10 is actually really good. I've never downloaded Chrome so fast. :rolleyes: Joke aside, IE10 is indeed really good, even if I stick to Chrome for the moment. FF lost me at version 47592.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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[Throws hand up!] ME ME ME ME ME ME I've given up on IE because of usability problems, Firefox because of speed and memory leak issues. Chrome is not an option, and Opera even less. So right now, I'm using the Chinese Maxthon browser. It has some nice features, but is not all that stable and interprets html strangely from time to time. I really don't know what to use anymore, and I don't know if I should laugh or cry either... :~
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932Johnny J. wrote:
I'm using the Chinese Maxthon browser.
Is the firewall included at no extra cost? :-\
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Amitosh Swain wrote:
Requires win7 sp1... I assume you're not fiddling with Xp, right??
Not the point: being forced to spend money to begin to get their version of a browser complaint with some modern standards still requires new Windows version purchase.* I couldn't say if it's similar to private browsing: I tell it to ask me about cookies and then I select allow/allow-for-session/deny, and whether I wish my answer to be maintained or not. Not a special mode. Browser is trained to my needs and standards, not Micro$oft$'s. The add-blocker is so effective I was surprised when I saw what others see when they browse. I can block web-beacons, etc., as well, and have been able to (selectively, if I wish) take care of Flash-cookies for years. You are, it seems, excited by the discovery of features that are old standards by other browser's reckoning. Then, too, I must admit avoiding wasting any more time on IE then forced to when checking how a web page displays. * Fiddling with XP? Corporate users with an investment in hundreds of XP licenses would beg to differ with your thinking when faced with the cost (Windows licenses, software upgrades, labor) of the change.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
* Fiddling with XP? Corporate users with an investment in hundreds of XP licenses would beg to differ with your thinking when faced with the cost (Windows licenses, software upgrades, labor) of the change.
My post is not meant for corporate users... :doh: Many of which still don't allow us to install an alternate browser... I have a relative who still uses IE6 since his corp does not provide admin access to his laptop. PS: M!cro$0ft is ending support for xp in a few days... the new vs2012 even doesn't have an XP target...
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IE10 is actually really good. I've never downloaded Chrome so fast. :rolleyes: Joke aside, IE10 is indeed really good, even if I stick to Chrome for the moment. FF lost me at version 47592.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
* Fiddling with XP? Corporate users with an investment in hundreds of XP licenses would beg to differ with your thinking when faced with the cost (Windows licenses, software upgrades, labor) of the change.
My post is not meant for corporate users... :doh: Many of which still don't allow us to install an alternate browser... I have a relative who still uses IE6 since his corp does not provide admin access to his laptop. PS: M!cro$0ft is ending support for xp in a few days... the new vs2012 even doesn't have an XP target...
I have complete control over everything that is installed on my work machine... :doh: I can use whichever browser, chat client, e-mail client, anti-virus, text editor, etc. that I want. Of course, the IT department has their standard ones that they install on new PCs for new employees, but they know that everyone has different preferences, so everyone gets local admin rights. :thumbsup:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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For a long time I've just dismissed this as pure coincidence. But recently I've pretty much concluded that in some way shape or form FF and Chrome depend on IE to work. A couple of years ago I started using Chrome all the time (After Opera became bogged down with junk) and I thought it was great, until it became frustrating trying to browse to pages, it would just sit there with it's patronising spinning icon doing absolutely nothing, and no matter how many times you refreshed the tab it wouldn't do a thing. Open IE, as soon as IE displays the page title, bang, Chrome magically loads the page. Fast forward to know, and I'm getting the same thing with both Firefox AND Chrome. Yesterday I browsed to a page and Firefox just say there, so after about 20 seconds I opened IE. Firefox loaded the page. :|
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\Flaky internet (via wifi) will cause the symptoms you describe. Especially with modern ajax based web pages. You can't really blame IE for interfering with network connections, after all how could my own system which doesn't have any trace of a Mickeysoft browser suffer the same problems. I only have firefox installed. :)
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
* Fiddling with XP? Corporate users with an investment in hundreds of XP licenses would beg to differ with your thinking when faced with the cost (Windows licenses, software upgrades, labor) of the change.
My post is not meant for corporate users... :doh: Many of which still don't allow us to install an alternate browser... I have a relative who still uses IE6 since his corp does not provide admin access to his laptop. PS: M!cro$0ft is ending support for xp in a few days... the new vs2012 even doesn't have an XP target...
Upgrading OS costs money for individuals, too. His point stands: why should a piece of software like a browser require a serious and expensive change to the underlying machine in order to upgrade it? Possibly even including buying new hardware, as Win 7 is a lot more resource hungry than Win XP and might not even run on the machine you want to use a browser on. If the OS was free then you would (maybe; there's still the 'new OS won't run on old hardware' part) have a good argument, but it isn't, far from it.
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For a long time I've just dismissed this as pure coincidence. But recently I've pretty much concluded that in some way shape or form FF and Chrome depend on IE to work. A couple of years ago I started using Chrome all the time (After Opera became bogged down with junk) and I thought it was great, until it became frustrating trying to browse to pages, it would just sit there with it's patronising spinning icon doing absolutely nothing, and no matter how many times you refreshed the tab it wouldn't do a thing. Open IE, as soon as IE displays the page title, bang, Chrome magically loads the page. Fast forward to know, and I'm getting the same thing with both Firefox AND Chrome. Yesterday I browsed to a page and Firefox just say there, so after about 20 seconds I opened IE. Firefox loaded the page. :|
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\I use both FF and Chrome under Linux at home, and IE10, FF and Chrome at work. They all load at about the same speed, and I haven't had any hangs or crashes in the last few months. JM2B,
Pablo. "Accident: An inevitable occurrence due to the action of immutable natural laws." (Ambrose Bierce, circa 1899).
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For a long time I've just dismissed this as pure coincidence. But recently I've pretty much concluded that in some way shape or form FF and Chrome depend on IE to work. A couple of years ago I started using Chrome all the time (After Opera became bogged down with junk) and I thought it was great, until it became frustrating trying to browse to pages, it would just sit there with it's patronising spinning icon doing absolutely nothing, and no matter how many times you refreshed the tab it wouldn't do a thing. Open IE, as soon as IE displays the page title, bang, Chrome magically loads the page. Fast forward to know, and I'm getting the same thing with both Firefox AND Chrome. Yesterday I browsed to a page and Firefox just say there, so after about 20 seconds I opened IE. Firefox loaded the page. :|
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\It's becoming more often that I jump between IE, Chrome and FF to see which one renders a page acceptably. generally, Chrome is smoothest but also the first one out, IE is the safe bet and FireFox the wild card.
