Anyone else have crappy browsers?
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Although we all laugh at it now, IE6 was something of a step forward at the time, and it was better than the alternatives by some distance. IE took a huge lead with v5.5 and it retained that for a couple of years while the Mozilla Foundation got themselves sorted out from the mess of Netscape. You shouldn't be using IE6 now (except for testing graceful degradation), but nor should you be using Netscape 7 or even Firefox 1.x.
BobJanova wrote:
You shouldn't be using IE6 now (except for testing graceful degradation), but nor should you be using Netscape 7 or even Firefox 1.x.
Definitely I'm not... currently I'm using IE10 and Firefox 21
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I don't feeling like being forced into buying a new version of Windows just to try out their browser as it slinks towards compliance with HTML5/CSS3. FF, &etc., all allow me to update without being forced to buy anything and embrace compliance.
Requires win7 sp1... I assume you're not fiddling with Xp, right??
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Therefore, I need to ask you: I'm quite a privacy fanatic. Does this new IE allow one to select "accept for session only" with cookies - or is it still just accept or deny? Lot's of other crap they don't do to me, either. Note I didn't say "chrome" because I don't trust Google on any privacy issues, ever, won't use Chrome, and hate even sending email to gmail users.
Do you mean by something similar private browsing in FF and SeaMonkey?? Then type Ctrl+Shift+P to go into InPrivate. You can even use the built-in Tracking Protection mechanism to block even more as well as ads too. AFAIK, IE was first to implement this InPrivate feature.
Amitosh Swain wrote:
Requires win7 sp1... I assume you're not fiddling with Xp, right??
Not the point: being forced to spend money to begin to get their version of a browser complaint with some modern standards still requires new Windows version purchase.* I couldn't say if it's similar to private browsing: I tell it to ask me about cookies and then I select allow/allow-for-session/deny, and whether I wish my answer to be maintained or not. Not a special mode. Browser is trained to my needs and standards, not Micro$oft$'s. The add-blocker is so effective I was surprised when I saw what others see when they browse. I can block web-beacons, etc., as well, and have been able to (selectively, if I wish) take care of Flash-cookies for years. You are, it seems, excited by the discovery of features that are old standards by other browser's reckoning. Then, too, I must admit avoiding wasting any more time on IE then forced to when checking how a web page displays. * Fiddling with XP? Corporate users with an investment in hundreds of XP licenses would beg to differ with your thinking when faced with the cost (Windows licenses, software upgrades, labor) of the change.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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For a long time I've just dismissed this as pure coincidence. But recently I've pretty much concluded that in some way shape or form FF and Chrome depend on IE to work. A couple of years ago I started using Chrome all the time (After Opera became bogged down with junk) and I thought it was great, until it became frustrating trying to browse to pages, it would just sit there with it's patronising spinning icon doing absolutely nothing, and no matter how many times you refreshed the tab it wouldn't do a thing. Open IE, as soon as IE displays the page title, bang, Chrome magically loads the page. Fast forward to know, and I'm getting the same thing with both Firefox AND Chrome. Yesterday I browsed to a page and Firefox just say there, so after about 20 seconds I opened IE. Firefox loaded the page. :|
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\IE10 is actually really good. I've never downloaded Chrome so fast. :rolleyes: Joke aside, IE10 is indeed really good, even if I stick to Chrome for the moment. FF lost me at version 47592.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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[Throws hand up!] ME ME ME ME ME ME I've given up on IE because of usability problems, Firefox because of speed and memory leak issues. Chrome is not an option, and Opera even less. So right now, I'm using the Chinese Maxthon browser. It has some nice features, but is not all that stable and interprets html strangely from time to time. I really don't know what to use anymore, and I don't know if I should laugh or cry either... :~
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932Johnny J. wrote:
I'm using the Chinese Maxthon browser.
Is the firewall included at no extra cost? :-\
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Amitosh Swain wrote:
Requires win7 sp1... I assume you're not fiddling with Xp, right??
Not the point: being forced to spend money to begin to get their version of a browser complaint with some modern standards still requires new Windows version purchase.* I couldn't say if it's similar to private browsing: I tell it to ask me about cookies and then I select allow/allow-for-session/deny, and whether I wish my answer to be maintained or not. Not a special mode. Browser is trained to my needs and standards, not Micro$oft$'s. The add-blocker is so effective I was surprised when I saw what others see when they browse. I can block web-beacons, etc., as well, and have been able to (selectively, if I wish) take care of Flash-cookies for years. You are, it seems, excited by the discovery of features that are old standards by other browser's reckoning. Then, too, I must admit avoiding wasting any more time on IE then forced to when checking how a web page displays. * Fiddling with XP? Corporate users with an investment in hundreds of XP licenses would beg to differ with your thinking when faced with the cost (Windows licenses, software upgrades, labor) of the change.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
* Fiddling with XP? Corporate users with an investment in hundreds of XP licenses would beg to differ with your thinking when faced with the cost (Windows licenses, software upgrades, labor) of the change.
My post is not meant for corporate users... :doh: Many of which still don't allow us to install an alternate browser... I have a relative who still uses IE6 since his corp does not provide admin access to his laptop. PS: M!cro$0ft is ending support for xp in a few days... the new vs2012 even doesn't have an XP target...
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IE10 is actually really good. I've never downloaded Chrome so fast. :rolleyes: Joke aside, IE10 is indeed really good, even if I stick to Chrome for the moment. FF lost me at version 47592.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
* Fiddling with XP? Corporate users with an investment in hundreds of XP licenses would beg to differ with your thinking when faced with the cost (Windows licenses, software upgrades, labor) of the change.
My post is not meant for corporate users... :doh: Many of which still don't allow us to install an alternate browser... I have a relative who still uses IE6 since his corp does not provide admin access to his laptop. PS: M!cro$0ft is ending support for xp in a few days... the new vs2012 even doesn't have an XP target...
I have complete control over everything that is installed on my work machine... :doh: I can use whichever browser, chat client, e-mail client, anti-virus, text editor, etc. that I want. Of course, the IT department has their standard ones that they install on new PCs for new employees, but they know that everyone has different preferences, so everyone gets local admin rights. :thumbsup:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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For a long time I've just dismissed this as pure coincidence. But recently I've pretty much concluded that in some way shape or form FF and Chrome depend on IE to work. A couple of years ago I started using Chrome all the time (After Opera became bogged down with junk) and I thought it was great, until it became frustrating trying to browse to pages, it would just sit there with it's patronising spinning icon doing absolutely nothing, and no matter how many times you refreshed the tab it wouldn't do a thing. Open IE, as soon as IE displays the page title, bang, Chrome magically loads the page. Fast forward to know, and I'm getting the same thing with both Firefox AND Chrome. Yesterday I browsed to a page and Firefox just say there, so after about 20 seconds I opened IE. Firefox loaded the page. :|
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\Flaky internet (via wifi) will cause the symptoms you describe. Especially with modern ajax based web pages. You can't really blame IE for interfering with network connections, after all how could my own system which doesn't have any trace of a Mickeysoft browser suffer the same problems. I only have firefox installed. :)
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
* Fiddling with XP? Corporate users with an investment in hundreds of XP licenses would beg to differ with your thinking when faced with the cost (Windows licenses, software upgrades, labor) of the change.
My post is not meant for corporate users... :doh: Many of which still don't allow us to install an alternate browser... I have a relative who still uses IE6 since his corp does not provide admin access to his laptop. PS: M!cro$0ft is ending support for xp in a few days... the new vs2012 even doesn't have an XP target...
Upgrading OS costs money for individuals, too. His point stands: why should a piece of software like a browser require a serious and expensive change to the underlying machine in order to upgrade it? Possibly even including buying new hardware, as Win 7 is a lot more resource hungry than Win XP and might not even run on the machine you want to use a browser on. If the OS was free then you would (maybe; there's still the 'new OS won't run on old hardware' part) have a good argument, but it isn't, far from it.
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For a long time I've just dismissed this as pure coincidence. But recently I've pretty much concluded that in some way shape or form FF and Chrome depend on IE to work. A couple of years ago I started using Chrome all the time (After Opera became bogged down with junk) and I thought it was great, until it became frustrating trying to browse to pages, it would just sit there with it's patronising spinning icon doing absolutely nothing, and no matter how many times you refreshed the tab it wouldn't do a thing. Open IE, as soon as IE displays the page title, bang, Chrome magically loads the page. Fast forward to know, and I'm getting the same thing with both Firefox AND Chrome. Yesterday I browsed to a page and Firefox just say there, so after about 20 seconds I opened IE. Firefox loaded the page. :|
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\I use both FF and Chrome under Linux at home, and IE10, FF and Chrome at work. They all load at about the same speed, and I haven't had any hangs or crashes in the last few months. JM2B,
Pablo. "Accident: An inevitable occurrence due to the action of immutable natural laws." (Ambrose Bierce, circa 1899).
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For a long time I've just dismissed this as pure coincidence. But recently I've pretty much concluded that in some way shape or form FF and Chrome depend on IE to work. A couple of years ago I started using Chrome all the time (After Opera became bogged down with junk) and I thought it was great, until it became frustrating trying to browse to pages, it would just sit there with it's patronising spinning icon doing absolutely nothing, and no matter how many times you refreshed the tab it wouldn't do a thing. Open IE, as soon as IE displays the page title, bang, Chrome magically loads the page. Fast forward to know, and I'm getting the same thing with both Firefox AND Chrome. Yesterday I browsed to a page and Firefox just say there, so after about 20 seconds I opened IE. Firefox loaded the page. :|
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\It's becoming more often that I jump between IE, Chrome and FF to see which one renders a page acceptably. generally, Chrome is smoothest but also the first one out, IE is the safe bet and FireFox the wild card.
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[Throws hand up!] ME ME ME ME ME ME I've given up on IE because of usability problems, Firefox because of speed and memory leak issues. Chrome is not an option, and Opera even less. So right now, I'm using the Chinese Maxthon browser. It has some nice features, but is not all that stable and interprets html strangely from time to time. I really don't know what to use anymore, and I don't know if I should laugh or cry either... :~
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932Maxthon is actually a rather nice browser. I have used it several times, and I like its multi-engine rendering system. Same with the Avant Browser[^]
Gryphons Are Awesome! Gryphons Are Awesome!
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For a long time I've just dismissed this as pure coincidence. But recently I've pretty much concluded that in some way shape or form FF and Chrome depend on IE to work. A couple of years ago I started using Chrome all the time (After Opera became bogged down with junk) and I thought it was great, until it became frustrating trying to browse to pages, it would just sit there with it's patronising spinning icon doing absolutely nothing, and no matter how many times you refreshed the tab it wouldn't do a thing. Open IE, as soon as IE displays the page title, bang, Chrome magically loads the page. Fast forward to know, and I'm getting the same thing with both Firefox AND Chrome. Yesterday I browsed to a page and Firefox just say there, so after about 20 seconds I opened IE. Firefox loaded the page. :|
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Oh! I had forgotten about the fox for months, it needed some food and air. Got it updated and removed some crap add-ons, it's fast as you said it starts in ~2 sec after a fresh reboot. :-D But Chrome still S _ _ _ s (Fill in the blanks)
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For a long time I've just dismissed this as pure coincidence. But recently I've pretty much concluded that in some way shape or form FF and Chrome depend on IE to work. A couple of years ago I started using Chrome all the time (After Opera became bogged down with junk) and I thought it was great, until it became frustrating trying to browse to pages, it would just sit there with it's patronising spinning icon doing absolutely nothing, and no matter how many times you refreshed the tab it wouldn't do a thing. Open IE, as soon as IE displays the page title, bang, Chrome magically loads the page. Fast forward to know, and I'm getting the same thing with both Firefox AND Chrome. Yesterday I browsed to a page and Firefox just say there, so after about 20 seconds I opened IE. Firefox loaded the page. :|
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This is pretty much why I stay clear of HTML development whenever possible. Twenty years in and it's still 1995.
MehGerbil wrote:
Twenty years in and it's still 1995
And it still has a long way to go before it matches the competition[^]
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
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For a long time I've just dismissed this as pure coincidence. But recently I've pretty much concluded that in some way shape or form FF and Chrome depend on IE to work. A couple of years ago I started using Chrome all the time (After Opera became bogged down with junk) and I thought it was great, until it became frustrating trying to browse to pages, it would just sit there with it's patronising spinning icon doing absolutely nothing, and no matter how many times you refreshed the tab it wouldn't do a thing. Open IE, as soon as IE displays the page title, bang, Chrome magically loads the page. Fast forward to know, and I'm getting the same thing with both Firefox AND Chrome. Yesterday I browsed to a page and Firefox just say there, so after about 20 seconds I opened IE. Firefox loaded the page. :|
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\Oops. I misread your title as "Crappy Trousers." :-O Move along, nothing to see here...:suss:
Will Rogers never met me.
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[Throws hand up!] ME ME ME ME ME ME I've given up on IE because of usability problems, Firefox because of speed and memory leak issues. Chrome is not an option, and Opera even less. So right now, I'm using the Chinese Maxthon browser. It has some nice features, but is not all that stable and interprets html strangely from time to time. I really don't know what to use anymore, and I don't know if I should laugh or cry either... :~
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932 -
I have complete control over everything that is installed on my work machine... :doh: I can use whichever browser, chat client, e-mail client, anti-virus, text editor, etc. that I want. Of course, the IT department has their standard ones that they install on new PCs for new employees, but they know that everyone has different preferences, so everyone gets local admin rights. :thumbsup:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Awww, all corps are not like that X|
