Any CP'ians from France?
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Big Daddy Farang wrote:
French accent
Now what is that suppose to mean? :omg:
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When people speak a language that is not their native language they tend to sound different from native speakers. If a French person speaks English they have a French accent. If I were to learn and try to speak your language I would speak it with an American accent, as I do when I speak English. ;P Or were you making a joke with me? Now for an example of an outrageous French accent, see the scene in the Holy Grail where the "Frenchmen" are defending the castle.
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When people speak a language that is not their native language they tend to sound different from native speakers. If a French person speaks English they have a French accent. If I were to learn and try to speak your language I would speak it with an American accent, as I do when I speak English. ;P Or were you making a joke with me? Now for an example of an outrageous French accent, see the scene in the Holy Grail where the "Frenchmen" are defending the castle.
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Big Daddy Farang wrote:
Or were you making a joke with me?
Yes, that was my lame humorous attempt at saying that I dont think there are any Frenchmen who speaks English. :)
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Big Daddy Farang wrote:
Or were you making a joke with me?
Yes, that was my lame humorous attempt at saying that I dont think there are any Frenchmen who speaks English. :)
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That's actually pretty funny. :-D Sorry I missed it. :-O
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Hi all! After finishing my master's degree, I've been greeted with an opportunity to work on France. I am under the impression it would be an astoundingly opportunity for me and I am almost ready to jump in. However, I have no idea on what constitutes a fair salary in Europe for a software developer. Also, even if I knew, I have no idea about the living costs there. People outside Brazil may think the living costs of living in Europe must be substantially higher than living in Brazil, but this simply isn't true. Some things are far cheaper here than in Europe, and other things are far, far cheaper in Europe than Brazil. So, would any of the fellows CodeProject members had any advice or tips on what should I expect from living and working in a developed country (after being a student with barely any money for years)? How much would you consider a fair wage for a software developer in Europe? Cheers! Cesar
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Moved here 7 months ago, not in the software industry, happy to have done so. Whether you are happy or not, I believe, is only very slightly dependent on the country, much more it's the usual things, friends, can you afford to live somewhere you like being, the job, the hours, the culture at work etc. The language is not a huge barrier and living here forces you to learn, but that doesn't make it feel like it's a chore, it's a pleasure to be able to communicate. It's not a huge problem for the french, much less than you tend to hear, it depends on the education level, almost all university graduates have decent english, below that it's patchy but they really appreiate your efforts in french, however bad. I would imagine the software industry is sufficiently international that decent english is a necessity and a significant employment factor so you'd probably be ok at the start. I have 2 brazilian colleagues and they speak good french, most people say 18 months to 2 years to become 'natural' in your own mind, i.e. thinking french not translating, after 6 months I can do enough that I surprise myself sometimes - and I was bad at languages at school. I am now struggling to speak and write normal english, but I am told that will revert to normal in a year or two! On eductaion, as I mentioned it above, it's still a huge factor in france, you're educational achievements and which school remain influential way beyond anglo saxon countries and can determine careers to a much greater extent than achievement, depends on the company, old established companies will prefer specific french schools for their senior people. The younger french, especially those who've been through university, are increasingly relaxed and international and don't carry as much 'need' to hold onto the traditional cultural identity as much as france is famous for. You'll still meet many people who seem unfriendly, but that's just because they don't like the 'apparent' insincerity of "have a nice day", "I'm really pleased to be your assistant today", they want time before they open up a bit but they're great when they do. You will however find many are now more open earlier in your relationship. Do not underestimate the horrors of french administration and don't expect masses of help when you het here. It's murderous to get yourself registered in france for social services - required to be reimbursed for seeing the doctor, medicine, reimbursed for hospital stuff. You don't get help because the classic french culture is to abhor someone assum
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Congratulations! on your new job. [ Joke ] Do you know French? because I don't think anyone in France speaks English... because their teachers never taught them. :-D [ / Joke ]
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Rutvik Dave wrote:
Do you know French? because I don't think anyone in France speaks English... because their teachers never taught them. :-D
What an odd statement.
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Hi all! After finishing my master's degree, I've been greeted with an opportunity to work on France. I am under the impression it would be an astoundingly opportunity for me and I am almost ready to jump in. However, I have no idea on what constitutes a fair salary in Europe for a software developer. Also, even if I knew, I have no idea about the living costs there. People outside Brazil may think the living costs of living in Europe must be substantially higher than living in Brazil, but this simply isn't true. Some things are far cheaper here than in Europe, and other things are far, far cheaper in Europe than Brazil. So, would any of the fellows CodeProject members had any advice or tips on what should I expect from living and working in a developed country (after being a student with barely any money for years)? How much would you consider a fair wage for a software developer in Europe? Cheers! Cesar
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I just came back from four days in France. I have no idea about wages and so on, but I thought the prices there were comparable to home ( so, more than the USA ).
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Rutvik Dave wrote:
Do you know French? because I don't think anyone in France speaks English... because their teachers never taught them. :-D
What an odd statement.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I was referring to a previous thread[^] and a repost[^] to that thread with an odd angel. :)
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Thanks! I foresee the language is going to be a nuisance at the beginning, but won't last long. Few of my friends had worked on other European countries, such as Germany and Czech republic without speaking a word of German or Czech before. Plus I guess I will be taking some French classes, just for good measure ;P
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César de Souza wrote:
ew of my friends had worked on other European countries, such as Germany and Czech republic without speaking a word of German or Czech before
I suspect that with those cases it would be viewed as inconvenient where as in France it is going to be viewed more with disdain.
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I just came back from four days in France. I have no idea about wages and so on, but I thought the prices there were comparable to home ( so, more than the USA ).
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
...but I thought the prices there were comparable to home ( so, more than the USA ).
So id home Oz or Yankeeland at the moment?
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Moved here 7 months ago, not in the software industry, happy to have done so. Whether you are happy or not, I believe, is only very slightly dependent on the country, much more it's the usual things, friends, can you afford to live somewhere you like being, the job, the hours, the culture at work etc. The language is not a huge barrier and living here forces you to learn, but that doesn't make it feel like it's a chore, it's a pleasure to be able to communicate. It's not a huge problem for the french, much less than you tend to hear, it depends on the education level, almost all university graduates have decent english, below that it's patchy but they really appreiate your efforts in french, however bad. I would imagine the software industry is sufficiently international that decent english is a necessity and a significant employment factor so you'd probably be ok at the start. I have 2 brazilian colleagues and they speak good french, most people say 18 months to 2 years to become 'natural' in your own mind, i.e. thinking french not translating, after 6 months I can do enough that I surprise myself sometimes - and I was bad at languages at school. I am now struggling to speak and write normal english, but I am told that will revert to normal in a year or two! On eductaion, as I mentioned it above, it's still a huge factor in france, you're educational achievements and which school remain influential way beyond anglo saxon countries and can determine careers to a much greater extent than achievement, depends on the company, old established companies will prefer specific french schools for their senior people. The younger french, especially those who've been through university, are increasingly relaxed and international and don't carry as much 'need' to hold onto the traditional cultural identity as much as france is famous for. You'll still meet many people who seem unfriendly, but that's just because they don't like the 'apparent' insincerity of "have a nice day", "I'm really pleased to be your assistant today", they want time before they open up a bit but they're great when they do. You will however find many are now more open earlier in your relationship. Do not underestimate the horrors of french administration and don't expect masses of help when you het here. It's murderous to get yourself registered in france for social services - required to be reimbursed for seeing the doctor, medicine, reimbursed for hospital stuff. You don't get help because the classic french culture is to abhor someone assum
Huge thanks. I am glad you mentioned the part about social services and insurance. By the way, I guess this would be something new for me, as public social services do not really work on most of Brazil. I am expecting a greater income tax / social contribution deductions, but on the other hand, I am also expecting to be able to use it when its needed. On Brazil we mostly end having to pay for everything twice, as we end up having to pay for both the public services which do not work and we can't rely upon (via taxes); and for private services for the same things, which are the ones that actually work. Cesar
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César de Souza wrote:
ew of my friends had worked on other European countries, such as Germany and Czech republic without speaking a word of German or Czech before
I suspect that with those cases it would be viewed as inconvenient where as in France it is going to be viewed more with disdain.
I would feel the same. Doesn't mean I am not trying to learn, though! :)
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