Finding a new job
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
ChrisElston wrote:
Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out.
In most cases I think it's possible to use a bit of Google-fu on the description they give and find the company offering the job so you can approach them direct.
ChrisElston wrote:
People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil?
They do serve a purpose, especially if you are lazy like me, but be prepared for them to offer you jobs as a motor mechanic and such as they get confused by words like 'engineering' and 'technician'.
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
Let me know when you find out. ;) In all seriousness getting a good recruitment agent seems to be the only way and they are like 18 carrot gold sand grains. Even worse if you go digging up the beach to find one they don't want to know you because by now every elephanting sunshine in the industry has a copy of your CV and is mailing it to all and sundry without regard to your suitability for the job in question. It's a horrible business I'm afraid. Contact me offline mfaithfull at btopenworld d.t com and I'll give you the details of the agency I use.
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
I never had a problem finding work, landing it on the other hand is another story. :)
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
You should probably update your latest resume in CareerBuilder , Dice or Monster If have have not done ;P http://www.careerbuilder.co.uk/[^] So you would automatically get calls from companies, consultancies etc. Recently what I have seen is if a candidate is update with the current technology then it would be quite easy to get one. Thanks,
Ranjan.D
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
ChrisElston wrote:
People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil?
Yes. A good agency is worth its weight in gold to be honest. Unfortunately it is hard to tell which are good until you try them, but you can immediately discount anyone who pulls the "Hey I know you are a C# / ASP.NET dev, but how about this exciting opportunity in PHP & RPG". I try to maintain the relationship with the ones that have been good in the past. These can change over time, one agency went from pure gold about 5 years ago to pure golden p*ss when the MD thought the agents were getting to uppity and in the resulting pogrom lost two of the best recruiters in the area, I don't know if they ever recovered. Word of mouth is a good recommendation, but this varies largely by area, so I could only give advice for Tyneside/Wearside. Most of the job sites allow you to state a salary expectation range, so I've not found this a problem. They keep the employer quiet so you don't contact directly but you can tell when several agencies are touting for the same work through the wording of the job descriptions. One of the few advantages of working in a dead-end area is that it is easy to see whether one of the major players is recruiting. "Blue-Chip company" = Sage, Major/Prestigious Financial Institution" = Northern Rock (at least it used to be) "Financial Institution = Newcastle Building Society", "Upper class degree or Masters degree" = ScottLogic. With a bit of experience and local knowledge you can often work them out.
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
2 of my last 3 appointments have been through recruiting agencies. I keep my linkedin up to date and basically just use that as a honey trap to lure them in. a serious recruiter will spend more than just a few minutes on the phone with you. if their call is less than 5 minutes they're just fulfilling their metrics so they don't get bollocked by their overlords. the best recruiter I ever had actually did a mock interview with me the night before and made doubly sure I had everything I needed to get the job. the worst recruiter I ever had didn't send me directions to the hiring company so I had to ring the company to get them myself and he then sent them someone else's CV but with my name on it, which made for an interesting, uncomfortable and completely pointless couple of hours.
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
Chris, I remember when you had to go to an agency, take a clipboard and fill in an application. They'd look for keywords and note the ones they think are useful and then cross-reference them to job descriptions that seemed appropriate. They'd phone the company and discuss you with them. If they reckoned it was worth pursuing they'd write or phone and I remember having to run to a red phone box in my lunch break to take or make calls at specific times and the frustration if somebody was in there - don't get me started on kiosks smelling of cigarettes, bad breath, stale farts, and deodorant-denial, and that was just me! :-D But seriously, the agencies added value because they worked for you. Fast forward 35 years later and it's changed for the worse. Cross-referencing is automatic and there are websites that tell you how to structure your CV using certain keywords and leaving out others to try and improve the success rate of your application getting past the Grim Raper of CVs. It's very easy for agencies to slap you with emails for jobs that are not appropriate and worse still, sending your CV to companies you don't want to be connected to or which have had your CV from other agencies. In other words, they don't add the same value they used to and they don't attempt to communicate with you about current status. After all, if 100 applicants apply, the best they'll do is send nothing, send something that's useless or issue an often used excuse, "if you don't hear from us within 15 days assume your application has been unsuccessful." Agencies then, don't have to work as hard because the money just lands in their laps. Some agents protect their leads from other agents in the same company because they don't want deals to be closed by another colleague and they lose the OTE commission. Surprisingly, the agencies don't lose staff too often as many jobs are located nearer to their offices. They have a captive audience. As we know, you'll see the same jobs listed in other agencies so you can sometimes glean information from one agency and another might list it slightly differently so you might see 1000 jobs somewhere but in fact there might only be 400 because of multiple listings. So, it's difficult to find a job without using them. I would advocate against using Jobserve to do submissions for jobs. Better to find the listing and follow any link direct to the agency or company. I am convinced that Jobserve isn't the ethical setup they want you to think they are. In conclusion, agencies are necessary but so too is
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
ChrisElston wrote:
People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil?
I hate to refer to them as a necessary evil because I have worked with some really good recruiters. on the flip I have also seen some really bad ones. technical recruiting is a hard industry to work in based on what I have heard from the good ones that are friends of mine. it is littered with a lot of people who are the equivalent of used car salesmen.
as if the facebook, twitter and message boards weren't enough - blogged
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
Step 1) Pick a city with good prospects Step 2) Call H.R. for every company, inform them that you will be in the city over the specified range and would like the chance to interview with a hiring manager even if they aren't hiring Step 3) Call a bunch of people in the town and schedule lots of dinners, lunches, pub visits, and attend a 5k while in town. Step 4) Twitter about your upcoming visit Step 5) Repeat
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
Not sure it's a good idea getting a tip from developers who sit down and write forum posts all day :sigh: :pause: Actually the other way around! ;)
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Not sure it's a good idea getting a tip from developers who sit down and write forum posts all day :sigh: :pause: Actually the other way around! ;)
Never underestimate the difference U can make in the lives of others.
∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
Finding graduate jobs is easy, because lots of companies have lots of openings there. I think it's rather more difficult if you want to drop straight in at a high level, because there aren't many openings there, and what you are expected to know in each company is different. Stick your CV in a few places where people can find it (e.g. LinkedIn, Monster, etc). Look for companies that you think you'd like to work for in your area, and send them letters directly asking whether they have, currently or in the forseeable future, vacancies in the kind of role that you're trying to pick up, with a bit of standard cover letter stuff about why it's a good fit and so on.
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ChrisElston wrote:
People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil?
I hate to refer to them as a necessary evil because I have worked with some really good recruiters. on the flip I have also seen some really bad ones. technical recruiting is a hard industry to work in based on what I have heard from the good ones that are friends of mine. it is littered with a lot of people who are the equivalent of used car salesmen.
as if the facebook, twitter and message boards weren't enough - blogged
Dennis E White wrote:
a lot of people who are the equivalent of used car salesmen.
I beg to differ: Used car salesmen have some idea what a car is and what you might want to do with it.
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
We tried to hire in Dallas and got pretty average responses. We went to a recruitment agency and they found us enough really good candidates that we had our pick and filled the roles with really good devs. I'd say that recruitment agencies, if you go to the right one, are really very helpful to all concerned, based on our experience.
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
From my own experience IF you want a lot of calls from a lot of recruitment agents then stick it on Monster but it is a pain in the rear getting them to stop calling after you find a new job. LinkedIn at the moment is being a recruitment agents honey, I get around 3 or 4 email a month asking about jobs etc (and I'm not looking), just be-careful as some of them will attempt to contact you at work.
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How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
Put your resume on dice.com and make it public. You'll get swamped with recruiters. With a little experience, you'll find which ones are reputable and how they specialize. If you want to live in Utah, we're interviewing.
