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  • L Lost User

    How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)

    “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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    Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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    Step 1) Pick a city with good prospects Step 2) Call H.R. for every company, inform them that you will be in the city over the specified range and would like the chance to interview with a hiring manager even if they aren't hiring Step 3) Call a bunch of people in the town and schedule lots of dinners, lunches, pub visits, and attend a 5k while in town. Step 4) Twitter about your upcoming visit Step 5) Repeat

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    • L Lost User

      How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)

      “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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      Dennis E White
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      ChrisElston wrote:

      People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil?

      I hate to refer to them as a necessary evil because I have worked with some really good recruiters. on the flip I have also seen some really bad ones. technical recruiting is a hard industry to work in based on what I have heard from the good ones that are friends of mine. it is littered with a lot of people who are the equivalent of used car salesmen.

      as if the facebook, twitter and message boards weren't enough - blogged

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      • A Argonia

        You need a sheep sacrifice , black candle, a book for summoning demons ... That would do.

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        Joezer BH
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        If you happen to summon the devil himself though, try to get behind it in the post office line , since the devil has many forms.

        Never underestimate the difference U can make in the lives of others.

        ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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        • L Lost User

          How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)

          “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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          Joezer BH
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          Not sure it's a good idea getting a tip from developers who sit down and write forum posts all day :sigh: :pause: Actually the other way around! ;)

          Never underestimate the difference U can make in the lives of others.

          ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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          • J Joezer BH

            Not sure it's a good idea getting a tip from developers who sit down and write forum posts all day :sigh: :pause: Actually the other way around! ;)

            Never underestimate the difference U can make in the lives of others.

            ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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            Lost User
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            Why not? The last thing I want is to accidentally find myself a job where I can't do that sort of thing.

            “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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            • L Lost User

              How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)

              “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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              BobJanova
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              Finding graduate jobs is easy, because lots of companies have lots of openings there. I think it's rather more difficult if you want to drop straight in at a high level, because there aren't many openings there, and what you are expected to know in each company is different. Stick your CV in a few places where people can find it (e.g. LinkedIn, Monster, etc). Look for companies that you think you'd like to work for in your area, and send them letters directly asking whether they have, currently or in the forseeable future, vacancies in the kind of role that you're trying to pick up, with a bit of standard cover letter stuff about why it's a good fit and so on.

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              • D Dennis E White

                ChrisElston wrote:

                People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil?

                I hate to refer to them as a necessary evil because I have worked with some really good recruiters. on the flip I have also seen some really bad ones. technical recruiting is a hard industry to work in based on what I have heard from the good ones that are friends of mine. it is littered with a lot of people who are the equivalent of used car salesmen.

                as if the facebook, twitter and message boards weren't enough - blogged

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                Dennis E White wrote:

                a lot of people who are the equivalent of used car salesmen.

                I beg to differ: Used car salesmen have some idea what a car is and what you might want to do with it.

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                • L Lost User

                  How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)

                  “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                  Christian Graus
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                  We tried to hire in Dallas and got pretty average responses. We went to a recruitment agency and they found us enough really good candidates that we had our pick and filled the roles with really good devs. I'd say that recruitment agencies, if you go to the right one, are really very helpful to all concerned, based on our experience.

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                  • L Lost User

                    How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)

                    “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                    Simon_Whale
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                    From my own experience IF you want a lot of calls from a lot of recruitment agents then stick it on Monster but it is a pain in the rear getting them to stop calling after you find a new job. LinkedIn at the moment is being a recruitment agents honey, I get around 3 or 4 email a month asking about jobs etc (and I'm not looking), just be-careful as some of them will attempt to contact you at work.

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                    • L Lost User

                      How do people in this sort of industry go about finding new jobs? I've been approached for my last two appointments, so it is 13 years since I was actively looking for work, and that was as a recent graduate. Job websites don't tell you what the salary is, who the job is for, or where the job is in the most part that I can make out. People constantly moan about recruitment agents and their like, but are they simply a necessary evil? And failing all else, anyone who works for an interesting company need a well payed man to mess about with their IT shizzle? (I don't want to get too technical at this stage.)

                      “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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                      Joe Woodbury
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                      Put your resume on dice.com and make it public. You'll get swamped with recruiters. With a little experience, you'll find which ones are reputable and how they specialize. If you want to live in Utah, we're interviewing.

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                      • J Joezer BH

                        If you happen to summon the devil himself though, try to get behind it in the post office line , since the devil has many forms.

                        Never underestimate the difference U can make in the lives of others.

                        ∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥

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                        Argonia
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                        If the summoning of demons was real i guess that the sacrificing a mere sheep wont be enough to summon the devil himself :)

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