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  • K Kevin McFarlane

    Dalek Dave wrote:

    Life start so easily

    How do you know? Organic molecules form quite easily. But there's a long way from that to the DNA -> RNA -> Protein cycle. Having said that, the sheer size of the universe in terms of stars suggests that if life does not start easily we can nevertheless expect there to be lots of it.

    Dalek Dave wrote:

    I would expect the universe to be teeming with life.

    So do I, just based on symmetry principles.

    Dalek Dave wrote:

    Whether is evolves beyond the bacterial level is another matter.

    On Earth wasn't it 2.5 billion years of single-celled life followed by a billion of multi-celled? That suggests the transition is a difficult one doesn't it?

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    Kevin McFarlane wrote:

    wasn't it 2.5 billion years of single-celled life

    Ah, the Jerry Springer years.

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    • L Lost User

      Intelligent human life is not alone, we have the Americans for company.

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      Yeah - we're here to show the rest of the world how to take a good idea, establish a government around that idea, and corrupt it beyond all semblance of it's original form. Wait - that makes us like - the rest of the world.

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      • A AZAD CHOUHAN

        I have a question in mind from many days.. are we alone in this universe or we have any neighbour new of far from our planet.. is there any astro scientist here who answer this question :confused::confused:

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        Not only are we alone, but YOU are alone in the universe! All of what you see, feel, hear, taste and experience is all due to your imagination. If you wake up, we'll all disappear!

        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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        • A AZAD CHOUHAN

          I have a question in mind from many days.. are we alone in this universe or we have any neighbour new of far from our planet.. is there any astro scientist here who answer this question :confused::confused:

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          • A AZAD CHOUHAN

            I have a question in mind from many days.. are we alone in this universe or we have any neighbour new of far from our planet.. is there any astro scientist here who answer this question :confused::confused:

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            It's funny you should ask this question. I was on Altros 5 the other day and some of the Miggles were discussing this same issue... Oh, wait... I've said too much.

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            • A AZAD CHOUHAN

              I have a question in mind from many days.. are we alone in this universe or we have any neighbour new of far from our planet.. is there any astro scientist here who answer this question :confused::confused:

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              Warning: I'm not a scientist :) The problem with scientists or humans is they think they have explored all or know every bit of truth starting from big bang(They don't really know how it happened ;P ) We could not explore our universe , we don't know the beginning or end.. Hope we will meet our neighboring planet member's soon or later. Thanks,

              Ranjan.D

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              • A AZAD CHOUHAN

                I have a question in mind from many days.. are we alone in this universe or we have any neighbour new of far from our planet.. is there any astro scientist here who answer this question :confused::confused:

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                What do you mean "WE" ?

                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

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                  Warning: I'm not a scientist :) The problem with scientists or humans is they think they have explored all or know every bit of truth starting from big bang(They don't really know how it happened ;P ) We could not explore our universe , we don't know the beginning or end.. Hope we will meet our neighboring planet member's soon or later. Thanks,

                  Ranjan.D

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                  Ranjan.D wrote:

                  The problem with scientists ... is they think they have explored all or know every bit of truth

                  No, that's precisely the opposite of the scientific method. You start with the assumption that you don't know anything; you come up with a hypothesis, and then try to disprove it. If enough people fail to disprove it, then it becomes the accepted theory. You use the word "theory" instead of the word "fact" simply because you're not ruling out the possibility that future evidence might shed new light on the matter.


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                  "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                  • L Lost User

                    There's Bob, obviously. So we're not alone. And then there's also the drake equation

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                    harold aptroot wrote:

                    drake equation

                    Interesting. I think he's missing a few factors, not the least of which is there anybody listening with the right apparatus?

                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                      Yeah - we're here to show the rest of the world how to take a good idea, establish a government around that idea, and corrupt it beyond all semblance of it's original form. Wait - that makes us like - the rest of the world.

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                      We all know that power corrupts. Corrupting people is bad. Therefore, we should only give power to those who are already corrupt. ;P


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                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                      • J Johnny J

                        But it can hardly be intelligent life - We don't even have that here! ;P

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                        Obligatory Monty Python song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk[^]


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                        • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                          Ranjan.D wrote:

                          The problem with scientists ... is they think they have explored all or know every bit of truth

                          No, that's precisely the opposite of the scientific method. You start with the assumption that you don't know anything; you come up with a hypothesis, and then try to disprove it. If enough people fail to disprove it, then it becomes the accepted theory. You use the word "theory" instead of the word "fact" simply because you're not ruling out the possibility that future evidence might shed new light on the matter.


                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                          he didn't say anything about the scientific method, he talked about humans and scientists (who are humans) thinking they know everything... he also didn't say anything about facts or theories either.

                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                            What do you mean "WE" ?

                            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                            "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                            Exactly!!

                            If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                            You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                            Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                            • A AZAD CHOUHAN

                              I have a question in mind from many days.. are we alone in this universe or we have any neighbour new of far from our planet.. is there any astro scientist here who answer this question :confused::confused:

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                              AZAD CHOUHAN wrote:

                              are we alone in this universe

                              No we are not alone and they have visited us before but they went to a Justin Bieber concert and have moved far away stating there is no intelligent life here on earth.

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                              • K Kevin McFarlane

                                Dalek Dave wrote:

                                Life start so easily

                                How do you know? Organic molecules form quite easily. But there's a long way from that to the DNA -> RNA -> Protein cycle. Having said that, the sheer size of the universe in terms of stars suggests that if life does not start easily we can nevertheless expect there to be lots of it.

                                Dalek Dave wrote:

                                I would expect the universe to be teeming with life.

                                So do I, just based on symmetry principles.

                                Dalek Dave wrote:

                                Whether is evolves beyond the bacterial level is another matter.

                                On Earth wasn't it 2.5 billion years of single-celled life followed by a billion of multi-celled? That suggests the transition is a difficult one doesn't it?

                                Kevin

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                                Actually the transition from Karyotes to Prokaryotes to Eukaryotes was a bigger jump, biologically speaking, than from single celled to multi. The LUCA was probably more closely related to an archaea rather than a bacteria, and was flitting around the oceans some 3.8 billion years ago. Now it is obvious that as this was a prokaryote and didn't just pop into existance it must have evolved from a simpler organism that entered some sort of simple symbiotic relationship so as to form a simple prokaryote. Proof of life extends to about 3.85 BYA, but there is evidence of life from chemical analysis of zircons from 4.4 BYA, thus meaning that life started before the LHB. Some see this as evidence that life started not once, but twice. Intriguing thought that within 100 million years of planetary formation there was life on Earth. If one accepts this theory then one must accept that life is so universally abundant that it will be the norm rather than the exception. Of course one has to factor in other biological, chemical and temporal factors as to how easy it is for intelligent life to evolve, and of course some civilisations could have risen and fallen before even the Earth was formed (Though not long before this, but that is another argument).

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                                • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                  he didn't say anything about the scientific method, he talked about humans and scientists (who are humans) thinking they know everything... he also didn't say anything about facts or theories either.

                                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                  He specifically singled out scientists as an example of people who think they know everything. Scientists are the least likely people to think that.


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                                  • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                                    AZAD CHOUHAN wrote:

                                    are we alone in this universe

                                    No we are not alone and they have visited us before but they went to a Justin Bieber concert and have moved far away stating there is no intelligent life here on earth.

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                                    Justin Beiber is being shot into space. I just hope it is a 5 year mission.

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                                    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                      He specifically singled out scientists as an example of people who think they know everything. Scientists are the least likely people to think that.


                                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                      Really? That's not what I've observed. Many, if not most, scientists are arrogant and full of themselves. That's what I've seen.

                                      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                        Justin Beiber is being shot into space. I just hope it is a 5 year mission.

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                                        Single ticket, no return would be better.

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                                          Justin Beiber is being shot into space. I just hope it is a 5 year mission.

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                                          Dalek Dave wrote:

                                          Justin Beiber is being shot into space.

                                          Damn there goes the neighborhood. :)

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