Question: Language Barrier
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One of the biggest issues I've had on this site, and others, is with people who don't natively speak English. Some of them are very nice, and cool people. However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind foreigners, however, I do mind the people in question, the ones who will blindly attack me, when in reality, it's their own fault. To clarify, I wouldn't go to a Japanese forum, and argue with people in Japanese, because, I don't properly understand the language, and a debate of any kind requires understanding. (As do conversations in general.) Do, you see where I'm coming from? I just don't understand the logic of these people, are they just stupid, international trolls, I don't know. ? I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations. And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better. Am I wrong here? Should I be more patient? Should I ignore them when they act up? I've been arguing with them, but it seems to go nowhere, but, if you do nothing, then, they're not going to learn, or stop. (Can I report this behavior?) What do you guys think?
It's the Dunning-Kruger effect[^]; a lot of the time they don't realize how poor their English actually is.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Well, according alexa [^] , codeproject should be in Hindi; and we (non-hindi speaking) would be the ones that does not properly speak "native". Seriously, people have different way of interacting with other people, sometimes, it seems they are arguing, but they are just having a normal discussion, and the difference in language makes it more "argumentative" than it really is.
Nihil obstat
Maximilien wrote:
codeproject should be in Hindi;
:doh: Oye... India doesn't mean Hindi... I'm a real true Indian but Hindi isn't my native... I speak Odia... That's why we use English in GIT
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How does that make me a snob? It's rude to argue with people in a language you don't understand. So, if I went to a Japanese forum, and acted like a complete jerk, it's okay, because I'm foreign? Please.
I suppose native English-speakers here is a minority. So, what is rude? If you think that someone doesn't understand you, tell this, try to explain in more simple language, or just end the discussion. Exactly as anyone does so in local forums.
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One of the biggest issues I've had on this site, and others, is with people who don't natively speak English. Some of them are very nice, and cool people. However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind foreigners, however, I do mind the people in question, the ones who will blindly attack me, when in reality, it's their own fault. To clarify, I wouldn't go to a Japanese forum, and argue with people in Japanese, because, I don't properly understand the language, and a debate of any kind requires understanding. (As do conversations in general.) Do, you see where I'm coming from? I just don't understand the logic of these people, are they just stupid, international trolls, I don't know. ? I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations. And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better. Am I wrong here? Should I be more patient? Should I ignore them when they act up? I've been arguing with them, but it seems to go nowhere, but, if you do nothing, then, they're not going to learn, or stop. (Can I report this behavior?) What do you guys think?
An American complaining about people not using English correctly. Just when I thought i had seen it all.
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An American complaining about people not using English correctly. Just when I thought i had seen it all.
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It's the Dunning-Kruger effect[^]; a lot of the time they don't realize how poor their English actually is.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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That's not my complaint, not at all. My complaint, is with people who DO NOT understand English trying to argue with people who DO understand English.
I think you'll find that's what he was saying... :laugh:
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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I don't think you understood the post, nor who made it.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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1: Remove that huge stick from your anal region. 2: Run to the humor store: buy as much as you can afford. 3: Pretentious: just a little bit.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
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I think you'll find that's what he was saying... :laugh:
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
:thumbsup: Yep.
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One of the biggest issues I've had on this site, and others, is with people who don't natively speak English. Some of them are very nice, and cool people. However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind foreigners, however, I do mind the people in question, the ones who will blindly attack me, when in reality, it's their own fault. To clarify, I wouldn't go to a Japanese forum, and argue with people in Japanese, because, I don't properly understand the language, and a debate of any kind requires understanding. (As do conversations in general.) Do, you see where I'm coming from? I just don't understand the logic of these people, are they just stupid, international trolls, I don't know. ? I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations. And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better. Am I wrong here? Should I be more patient? Should I ignore them when they act up? I've been arguing with them, but it seems to go nowhere, but, if you do nothing, then, they're not going to learn, or stop. (Can I report this behavior?) What do you guys think?
Ignore them. Do not be discouraged. Keep posting while learning along the way. That is the route I follow.
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1: Remove that huge stick from your anal region. 2: Run to the humor store: buy as much as you can afford. 3: Pretentious: just a little bit.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
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One of the biggest issues I've had on this site, and others, is with people who don't natively speak English. Some of them are very nice, and cool people. However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind foreigners, however, I do mind the people in question, the ones who will blindly attack me, when in reality, it's their own fault. To clarify, I wouldn't go to a Japanese forum, and argue with people in Japanese, because, I don't properly understand the language, and a debate of any kind requires understanding. (As do conversations in general.) Do, you see where I'm coming from? I just don't understand the logic of these people, are they just stupid, international trolls, I don't know. ? I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations. And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better. Am I wrong here? Should I be more patient? Should I ignore them when they act up? I've been arguing with them, but it seems to go nowhere, but, if you do nothing, then, they're not going to learn, or stop. (Can I report this behavior?) What do you guys think?
I am French, and work in Germany. What you express here is, in my experience, the very same mindset as in France : "first, know your language, then only you are welcome to argument". In Germany, people would listen to you even if you were speaking in URGGGzz ( this is a placeholder, in case it was not clear). And that is one of the many reasons why I enjoy to work here : the language does not matter, only the ideas. This open-minded way to interact with foreigners speeds up the integration. When your arguments are wrong because you did not catch something due to the lack of language knowledge, they will reexplain until they understand. This does not avoid some assholes to behave as you describe, e.g. go into arguments and try to explain you why they are right even if they do not understand you, but it does not happen very often. Precisely because of the patience the Germans show first place. Agreed, differences are that the situations I have described take place face to face, and in business environment ( where you just cannot tell people or colleagues to fuck off like you would on the internet). But, to come to a conclusion, I would recommend to show more patience - give them a chance to express their ideas, and to ignore the obvious trolls.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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See, this is what I'm talking about. No one criticized your people, and for that matter who the f*ck are you? As for needing aid, who doesn't, the world isn't perfect, everyone just does their best to get by, you aren't as special as you seem to think you are. I'm sorry, but, I've lived a pretty tough life myself, I've been homeless, isolated, hungry, etc,. (I'm honestly, about a year away from stuffing a gun in mouth and pulling the trigger, so, really, f*ck you.)
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Do you think part of the problem may be that you do not have a very strong sense of humo(u)r?
AspDotNetDev wrote:
Do you think part of the problem may be that you do not have a very strong sense of humo(u)r?
And also perhaps that he is completely blind to sarcasm! :-)
Regards, Nish
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How does that make me a snob? It's rude to argue with people in a language you don't understand. So, if I went to a Japanese forum, and acted like a complete jerk, it's okay, because I'm foreign? Please.
Joe_Dert wrote:
It's rude to argue with people in a language you don't understand.
Really? Well you must be such a superior person that you can discount the entire population of the world apart from those who speak in a way that is acceptable to you. Talking of being a jerk ...
Use the best guess
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FYI, Hindi is not the common language of India. Hindi is not synonymous with India. In fact, the Hindi-speaking belt has the largest number of illiterates in India and produces the vast number of unskilled labor. They are NOT the people who are reading Codeproject.
If you just look at Indian software folks, Telugu may be the best language to use :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com The life of a Malayalee American - by Nish
An article I recently wrote for an event souvenir
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I don't think you understand. I'm trying to have a serious conversation about an issue caused by the language barrier. This really isn't the place or time for trolling, grow up.
Joe_Dert wrote:
I don't think you understand.
No you don't understand butt monkey. This is The Lounge. We don't do serious and we don't give a faarrrkkkk if you are put out. You come here, pot something, if we care we reply nicely, the rest of the time we take the piss, you Yanks have to hang around for a long time to understand how this piss taking works. As for me, read back a few days, you will find I have unofficial (and really official, but Chris doesn't like o admit it) approval to sea in The Lounge. Go back far enough and you may learn all bout the origin of the Elephant. Now Elephant off Sunshine.
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I think you'll find that's what he was saying... :laugh:
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
I think you'll find that most American do understand English. It's old people, that fail to realize that America is the melting pot, it's culture is constantly evolving. Most of what you see on the internet, and in the world today, is just slang, the rest, is stupidity, I won't argue that, it's blatant. My point, is that American English is constantly evolving, or as the kids would say, ya gotta keep up wit da timez dawg, do ya feel me?
