Question: Language Barrier
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:rolleyes:
I was just explaining my nature, it was brought up, and I clarified. I've long held, that people need not fear me to get their a** kicked by me. And I've also long held another belief, even if you manage to win, I'm coming back with a bat, and if that isn't enough, I'm coming back with a knife, etc, etc,. You've seen how relentless I am, that holds true in life as well, you'd have to kill me to stop me, or cripple me so bad I can't possibly get you. (Or do what everyone else does, and don't be dumb enough to make me that mad.) These are just a simple fact about myself, nothing more. --- Look, FWIW, I grew up poor, lived on the streets, we was homeless, I had nothing, etc,. (And worse, things I can't even speak of.) Life was rough, but, it made me something not to be trifled with. I'm a decent guy, I try to be intelligent, and civil, but, just as much as that's true, so is everything else that I've said.
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Your bridge. Go back to it.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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No, I'm short tempered, and homicidal, there's a difference. It comes across a bit better in the real world. (Basically, picture Charles Manson on the other end of the computer, and you'll have a fairly accurate picture of me, seriously, I look just like Manson.) While I haven't actually had to kill anyone, because, they generally know better than to push me that far, I would without a doubt do so if I felt I was being disrespected, and they of course, refused to back off when warned. I don't bother making threats on the internet all that much, because, everyone goes, ah, scary internet man gonna beat me up, lol. But, truth be told, I'm telling the truth, and as in reality, I don't care who believes me, though, in reality, it's always a TON of fun MAKING believers out of people. :) (I enjoy fighting, what?) (See, now we're getting to know each other, isn't this fun?)
Joe_Dert wrote:
No, I'm short tempered, and homicidal, there's a difference.
It comes across a bit better in the real world. (Basically, picture Charles Manson on the other end of the computer, and you'll have a fairly accurate picture of me, seriously, I look just like Manson.)
While I haven't actually had to kill anyone, because, they generally know better than to push me that far, I would without a doubt do so if I felt I was being disrespected, and they of course, refused to back off when warned.You need psychological help. Go get some.
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Joe_Dert wrote:
No, I'm short tempered, and homicidal, there's a difference.
It comes across a bit better in the real world. (Basically, picture Charles Manson on the other end of the computer, and you'll have a fairly accurate picture of me, seriously, I look just like Manson.)
While I haven't actually had to kill anyone, because, they generally know better than to push me that far, I would without a doubt do so if I felt I was being disrespected, and they of course, refused to back off when warned.You need psychological help. Go get some.
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It doesn't work, my intelligence level hides the true danger lurking beneath the surface. (I begged them for help, and told them my fears, but they thought I was just trying to score free dope, the fools.) These days, I just smoke pot, it chills me out, legalize it, for you own sakes. You see, I'm not alone, there are a LOT of ppl just like me, and pot brought us together, and it made me see that I wasn't alone, or all that different. (Relatively speaking, of course.) I'm not sure what the real issue is, but no doctors will help, and when they try, they misdiagnose it, and give us crap that does nothing, or makes it worse. (I'm hoping to get medical marijuana, once it comes to my state, if it comes to my state.)
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No, I was being truly sarcastic, not attempting to use some sort of, sarcastic humor. The funny part, is that you don't get it. (The joke was literally at your expense.) (See, you guys made a lame joke, and thought it was hilarious, only it wasn't, so, I made an equally stupid joke to mock you, ie, the sarcasm...) I think I'll go edit the original post, to include. /sarcasm Maybe that will help, but, I really doubt it.
How sad: you don't understand what sarcasm is. Still, one day, when you're a big boy it'll become clearer. In the meantime, keep practicing with those silly little things you do. One day someone might laugh. You just have to hope that it's with you, not at you...
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mark merrens wrote:
Again, disagree: supposing Bobo the clown died: who do you expect to turn up at the funeral if not a bunch of clowns?
Genuinely PMSL. :thumbsup:
PB 432, 698 wrote:
Genuinely PMSL.
I don't think I'm alone in expressing eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!! :laugh:
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But, trolling isn't nice... :omg: It's like you walked up, smacked me in the face, and expect me to be f*cking gracious about it. :mad: You people live in a fantasy world.
Joe_Dert wrote:
You people live in a fantasy world
No, I think that's the marketing/sales people you're thinking about.
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can. “We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone "The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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Hilarious, that coming from the troll. I'll take that as you inviting me to come back to your place. :wtf: No thanks.
Joe_Dert wrote:
Hilarious, that coming from the troll
I believe he passes himself of as Hungarian, unless he's swapped his passport very recently.
Joe_Dert wrote:
I'll take that as you inviting me to come back to your place. :WTF:
No thanks.Why ever not? His place is awash with gin.
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can. “We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone "The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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Yes, I did. He's abrasive, he fails to read\understand topics, and makes ridiculous suggestions that generally have nothing to do with any sort of actual solution. But, he had little to do with this topic, he's a minor fraction of the problem.
First of all, this has absolutely nothing to do with language. English-speaking people could be jerks as well, and the opinion I'm about to express here isn't specific to any group. This is directed at no individual, but a lot of *experts* have appeared out of nowhere who have presumed to have expertise on everything, and will answer queries on any topic with some vague text and a couple of links to other sites. They'll keep doing it until their name is listed as a "top expert", and they accumulate the online points they've been aiming to get. I suggest that you don't get into an argument with any of them. It won't be fruitful, and it will frankly be a complete waste of your time.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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MehGerbil wrote:
To be fair the Aussies really haven't been tested.
Until someone cares enough about Australia to invade it...Mate, we wouldn't have to do a thing. The wild life would take care of everything for us.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
That's simply awesome! A movie on this story line could be better than many of the latest Hollywood flicks. :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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I got really, really pissed off once with a non English speaker who accused me of using the wrong word in something irreverent. Even after others said the word I had used was correct, if a little obscure in the way I had used it, he still insisted I had used the wrong word just because he had never used it like that.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
For the benefit of others reading this forum I'm that "non-English speaker". After that discussion with Chris, I did some looking up, and learnt that he was indeed correct in the usage of his language (albeit a little obscure as he said). :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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An American complaining about people not using English correctly. Just when I thought i had seen it all.
PB 432, 698 wrote:
... i had ...
Oye Pompey! That has to be in uppercase. :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Joe_Dert wrote:
Hilarious, that coming from the troll
I believe he passes himself of as Hungarian, unless he's swapped his passport very recently.
Joe_Dert wrote:
I'll take that as you inviting me to come back to your place. :WTF:
No thanks.Why ever not? His place is awash with gin.
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can. “We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone "The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
Mark H2 wrote:
Why ever not? His place is awash with gin.
That's just his toilet, and the Gin is used.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
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Sigh, you guys win. It's my fault, I should have learned broken English and avoided these problems. What am I supposed to say? You're taking my words out of context, and you're applying meaning that was never there. I can't even get people who speak English to understand me, and then you WONDER why I get frustrated with people who can barely speak it to begin with under the same\similar conditions?
Joe, there are millions of people here and you should seriously not expect many of them to have similar opinions (let alone the same). You got into an experience that wasn't very pleasant to you. But you're not here for pleasant experiences alone. You'll meet all kinds of people, and just remember that on some occasions, you could be the reason why someone had an unpleasant experience here (you won't even know it). But none of that matters. You come here and you're doing your part to help people with technical queries, and that's wonderful. If I may take the liberty of suggesting you something, I'm going to say that you just carry on with answering questions and nothing else matters. As much disturbing as these online experiences can be, they're of no value to anyone and you don't have to think too much about such incidents. You have a good day, alright? :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Explain how I was being arrogant? I'm 100% serious, you've simply misunderstood something that I've said. (Perhaps it's more of this wonderful humor I keep hearing about on these forums. ?) In any case, I get the feeling you think I'm insulting foreigners, but, that's just not the case, my family is from England\Ireland, my roots, I mean, I was born in America, and I have friends of all races, and colors, sexual preferences, you name it. I'm the most accepting guy you'll ever meet. This topic, for THE MILLIONTH time, is about answering a very simple question: When a foreigner, SHOWS CLEAR SIGNS of not 'truly' understanding English during a debate\argument\conversation\etc, what should I do?
Joe_Dert wrote:
Explain how I was being arrogant?
Your whole attitude; your assertion that people who do not speak perfect English, somehow have no right to argue with you.
Joe_Dert wrote:
I'm the most accepting guy you'll ever meet.
That is really funny. Just about everything you have posted in this thread makes it clear that you are the exact opposite.
Joe_Dert wrote:
When a foreigner, SHOWS CLEAR SIGNS of not 'truly' understanding English during a debate\argument\conversation\etc, what should I do?
Simple, instead of acting like a jerk, try explaining the bits they need help with. And stop treating such people as if they are somehow inferior to you, or your race.
Use the best guess
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One of the biggest issues I've had on this site, and others, is with people who don't natively speak English. Some of them are very nice, and cool people. However, some of them, like to argue with you, despite barely being able to understand you. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind foreigners, however, I do mind the people in question, the ones who will blindly attack me, when in reality, it's their own fault. To clarify, I wouldn't go to a Japanese forum, and argue with people in Japanese, because, I don't properly understand the language, and a debate of any kind requires understanding. (As do conversations in general.) Do, you see where I'm coming from? I just don't understand the logic of these people, are they just stupid, international trolls, I don't know. ? I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations. And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better. Am I wrong here? Should I be more patient? Should I ignore them when they act up? I've been arguing with them, but it seems to go nowhere, but, if you do nothing, then, they're not going to learn, or stop. (Can I report this behavior?) What do you guys think?
Joe_Dert wrote:
I would almost suggest they stick to forums that cater to their own language, at least until they get a better grip on the English language, and can have rational conversations.
And okay, let's say they do come to an English speaking forum, and haven't quite mastered the language, well, perhaps they should avoid debates until they can understand what's going on a bit better.Isn't it too much? I'm not a native English speaker, I'm from Catalonia and speak Catalan (my native language), Spanish (I'm bilingual so I speak it as if it were native) and a little bit of English. Posting here (questions, articles, tips & tricks...) has helped me in a lot of different ways: I've learned better ways to program and also I've improved my English (which is still far from being perfect). I guess there is stupid people (trolls, ...) everywhere, in all different languages, I would become upset with :bob: if he would prevent me to post or to participate just because my English is not my best. And in the other hand, preventing me to post or to participate would also be a big loss for :bob:: I've posted a good (see the score) article time ago and during some time I was posting the best jokes in the soapbox :rolleyes: (well, probably not the best ones so excuse me for that ;P ). This is an open community, and it should continue being in that way. Typically the problems that arise from trolls are solved by downvoting and sending them to the oblivion. Of course, if the chosen option would be to avoid foreigners to debate, then you would have not seen this marvellous post with some smilies. With love from Catalonia and from a non English speaker. PS: There is plenty of humour in that post, the only interesting thing here should be the fact that I don't agree any method that would imply to prevent foreigners to debate. If anyone here makes wrong things there are voting methods to solve that. I still remember of a lot of in-"famous" members here that have needed to be thrown away by voting because they were affecting the CP community in a wrong way. And some of them were perfect English speakers. :beer:
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I am French, and work in Germany. What you express here is, in my experience, the very same mindset as in France : "first, know your language, then only you are welcome to argument". In Germany, people would listen to you even if you were speaking in URGGGzz ( this is a placeholder, in case it was not clear). And that is one of the many reasons why I enjoy to work here : the language does not matter, only the ideas. This open-minded way to interact with foreigners speeds up the integration. When your arguments are wrong because you did not catch something due to the lack of language knowledge, they will reexplain until they understand. This does not avoid some assholes to behave as you describe, e.g. go into arguments and try to explain you why they are right even if they do not understand you, but it does not happen very often. Precisely because of the patience the Germans show first place. Agreed, differences are that the situations I have described take place face to face, and in business environment ( where you just cannot tell people or colleagues to fuck off like you would on the internet). But, to come to a conclusion, I would recommend to show more patience - give them a chance to express their ideas, and to ignore the obvious trolls.
~RaGE();
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But, trolling isn't nice... :omg: It's like you walked up, smacked me in the face, and expect me to be f*cking gracious about it. :mad: You people live in a fantasy world.
Joe_Dert wrote:
But, trolling isn't nice...
Exactly. So why have you been doing it?
Joe_Dert wrote:
It's like you walked up, smacked me in the face, and expect me to be f*cking gracious about it.
Too bad you completely ignore the fact that I did no such thing, virtually or otherwise.
Joe_Dert wrote:
You people live in a fantasy world.
No, I live in the real world. Sounds like you need to get your meds adjusted.
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I was just explaining my nature, it was brought up, and I clarified. I've long held, that people need not fear me to get their a** kicked by me. And I've also long held another belief, even if you manage to win, I'm coming back with a bat, and if that isn't enough, I'm coming back with a knife, etc, etc,. You've seen how relentless I am, that holds true in life as well, you'd have to kill me to stop me, or cripple me so bad I can't possibly get you. (Or do what everyone else does, and don't be dumb enough to make me that mad.) These are just a simple fact about myself, nothing more. --- Look, FWIW, I grew up poor, lived on the streets, we was homeless, I had nothing, etc,. (And worse, things I can't even speak of.) Life was rough, but, it made me something not to be trifled with. I'm a decent guy, I try to be intelligent, and civil, but, just as much as that's true, so is everything else that I've said.
:rolleyes: