Educational Use - Apple/Google/Microsoft?
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**Question 1)**Picture the scene, you are a school that is looking to review the use of technology in the classroom (i.e. defining future digital strategy). Let's consider you are looking at the age group 5 to 12 (Primary1 to P7). You may require that parent purchase devices in the future. You will also be possibly issuing to teachers etc. Taking all things into consideration, i.e. devices, usability, platform, the eco systems and tooling/services of the companies, Would you go for a) Microsoft + Surface b) Google + Android (using Galaxy Tabs/Notes and/or possibly Chromebooks) c) Apple + iPad (+ keyboard) My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform Question 2) What are your immediate thoughts to this statement: "We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device. We tested 9 different devices across 14 members of staff with others joining in. Drop-in sessions, informal meetings, research at other schools, a formal online response and surveys of staff and pupil use of devices all helped to inform our final preference, which is for iPads, supported as needed by keyboards. Our aim is that the whole school will be wireless enabled by this autumn. Staff will be equipped with iPads in order to research and develop their use in the classroom and their support for the curriculum over the next school year. Some class sets will be available for testing material with teaching groups." Note: this is as a result of my kids school issuing the statement in Q2 (which was part of a larger email). My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.:mad:
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DaveAuld wrote:
You may require that parent purchase devices in the future.
:wtf: A £400-iPad costs what some families have to live on for a month. I can't see how the school can mandate this. I'd go for android too, pretty much for the reasons you describe. You also have to have an iTunes account, which you must provide card details for IIRC, put in the hands of a kid who won't understand how microtransactions can mount up, and this has been a recipe for disaster in the past (there was a case of this on the local news a few months ago, where the 10/12yo didn't even realise he was paying with real money & racked up a huge bill).
DaveAuld wrote:
We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device.
My thoughts on this statement are probably more pertinent. I'd bet they haven't, they formed a committee of non-experts (I'd be surprised if this even contained an CS graduate) who then started drinking the cool-aid. Staff graduating in the social sciences/arts will have had MS = "big corporate evil" pumped into them throughout their career. The same people will have also been primed with the idea that Macs are better in every respect (especially if they've used mostly DTP or art packages, where they actually are better). Then they'll start looking for information that confirms their prejudices. Helpfully, Apple is following the tobacco trade route hook'em while they're young[^], I know they tried this at the Uni where I worked. Coupled to this is the staff get free iWhatevers which will be much more palatable in terms of bragging rights than them having something more useful to swan around with. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: [Edit] I need to learn how to use English.
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In other words, the teachers wanted the school to buy them iPads.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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**Question 1)**Picture the scene, you are a school that is looking to review the use of technology in the classroom (i.e. defining future digital strategy). Let's consider you are looking at the age group 5 to 12 (Primary1 to P7). You may require that parent purchase devices in the future. You will also be possibly issuing to teachers etc. Taking all things into consideration, i.e. devices, usability, platform, the eco systems and tooling/services of the companies, Would you go for a) Microsoft + Surface b) Google + Android (using Galaxy Tabs/Notes and/or possibly Chromebooks) c) Apple + iPad (+ keyboard) My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform Question 2) What are your immediate thoughts to this statement: "We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device. We tested 9 different devices across 14 members of staff with others joining in. Drop-in sessions, informal meetings, research at other schools, a formal online response and surveys of staff and pupil use of devices all helped to inform our final preference, which is for iPads, supported as needed by keyboards. Our aim is that the whole school will be wireless enabled by this autumn. Staff will be equipped with iPads in order to research and develop their use in the classroom and their support for the curriculum over the next school year. Some class sets will be available for testing material with teaching groups." Note: this is as a result of my kids school issuing the statement in Q2 (which was part of a larger email). My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.:mad:
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If you were a real sceptic cynical b'tard, you would ask the school for the data set they used to come to the conclusion.:cool:
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**Question 1)**Picture the scene, you are a school that is looking to review the use of technology in the classroom (i.e. defining future digital strategy). Let's consider you are looking at the age group 5 to 12 (Primary1 to P7). You may require that parent purchase devices in the future. You will also be possibly issuing to teachers etc. Taking all things into consideration, i.e. devices, usability, platform, the eco systems and tooling/services of the companies, Would you go for a) Microsoft + Surface b) Google + Android (using Galaxy Tabs/Notes and/or possibly Chromebooks) c) Apple + iPad (+ keyboard) My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform Question 2) What are your immediate thoughts to this statement: "We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device. We tested 9 different devices across 14 members of staff with others joining in. Drop-in sessions, informal meetings, research at other schools, a formal online response and surveys of staff and pupil use of devices all helped to inform our final preference, which is for iPads, supported as needed by keyboards. Our aim is that the whole school will be wireless enabled by this autumn. Staff will be equipped with iPads in order to research and develop their use in the classroom and their support for the curriculum over the next school year. Some class sets will be available for testing material with teaching groups." Note: this is as a result of my kids school issuing the statement in Q2 (which was part of a larger email). My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.:mad:
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Much as I hate to come out in favour of the do-no-evil empire, I'd have to say android, because there's so much more the children can do (and therefore learn) with them. All they will learn with iToys is how to pose and be a tied consumer, and they probably already know everything they need to know about baby blocks, so MS won't be too much use.
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If you were a real sceptic cynical b'tard, you would ask the school for the data set they used to come to the conclusion.:cool:
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If they were expecting me to shell out for devices (especially at the costly end of the market), I'd do this. In fact I'd be considering a FOI on the whole process because the decision is so wrong. I don't even see why the school should feel the need to mandate any h/w provider.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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If you were a real sceptic cynical b'tard, you would ask the school for the data set they used to come to the conclusion.:cool:
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
I imagine the teachers all voted for iToys because it would require them to learn less themselves, what with apple not allowing its users to do any thinking (except maybe on new poses to strike). Of course, the less the teachers know, the less they can teach, so it's win-win for them.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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If you were a real sceptic cynical b'tard, you would ask the school for the data set they used to come to the conclusion.:cool:
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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**Question 1)**Picture the scene, you are a school that is looking to review the use of technology in the classroom (i.e. defining future digital strategy). Let's consider you are looking at the age group 5 to 12 (Primary1 to P7). You may require that parent purchase devices in the future. You will also be possibly issuing to teachers etc. Taking all things into consideration, i.e. devices, usability, platform, the eco systems and tooling/services of the companies, Would you go for a) Microsoft + Surface b) Google + Android (using Galaxy Tabs/Notes and/or possibly Chromebooks) c) Apple + iPad (+ keyboard) My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform Question 2) What are your immediate thoughts to this statement: "We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device. We tested 9 different devices across 14 members of staff with others joining in. Drop-in sessions, informal meetings, research at other schools, a formal online response and surveys of staff and pupil use of devices all helped to inform our final preference, which is for iPads, supported as needed by keyboards. Our aim is that the whole school will be wireless enabled by this autumn. Staff will be equipped with iPads in order to research and develop their use in the classroom and their support for the curriculum over the next school year. Some class sets will be available for testing material with teaching groups." Note: this is as a result of my kids school issuing the statement in Q2 (which was part of a larger email). My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.:mad:
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let's play the devil advocate... and I don't have a preference one way or the other. What if the iPad (and all the different services) is indeed the best solution for the school ? Maybe there are other advantages that offset the cost of the device itself ? Have you asked the school for the criteria ? and if you you could propose a better alternative to those criteria would you go back to the school board and let them know ?
Nihil obstat
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**Question 1)**Picture the scene, you are a school that is looking to review the use of technology in the classroom (i.e. defining future digital strategy). Let's consider you are looking at the age group 5 to 12 (Primary1 to P7). You may require that parent purchase devices in the future. You will also be possibly issuing to teachers etc. Taking all things into consideration, i.e. devices, usability, platform, the eco systems and tooling/services of the companies, Would you go for a) Microsoft + Surface b) Google + Android (using Galaxy Tabs/Notes and/or possibly Chromebooks) c) Apple + iPad (+ keyboard) My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform Question 2) What are your immediate thoughts to this statement: "We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device. We tested 9 different devices across 14 members of staff with others joining in. Drop-in sessions, informal meetings, research at other schools, a formal online response and surveys of staff and pupil use of devices all helped to inform our final preference, which is for iPads, supported as needed by keyboards. Our aim is that the whole school will be wireless enabled by this autumn. Staff will be equipped with iPads in order to research and develop their use in the classroom and their support for the curriculum over the next school year. Some class sets will be available for testing material with teaching groups." Note: this is as a result of my kids school issuing the statement in Q2 (which was part of a larger email). My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.:mad:
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I assume this is not a state school? No doubt they assume that anyone who can afford their fees can also afford the iPads, and no doubt assumed that most kids will already have iPads rather than any other device.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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**Question 1)**Picture the scene, you are a school that is looking to review the use of technology in the classroom (i.e. defining future digital strategy). Let's consider you are looking at the age group 5 to 12 (Primary1 to P7). You may require that parent purchase devices in the future. You will also be possibly issuing to teachers etc. Taking all things into consideration, i.e. devices, usability, platform, the eco systems and tooling/services of the companies, Would you go for a) Microsoft + Surface b) Google + Android (using Galaxy Tabs/Notes and/or possibly Chromebooks) c) Apple + iPad (+ keyboard) My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform Question 2) What are your immediate thoughts to this statement: "We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device. We tested 9 different devices across 14 members of staff with others joining in. Drop-in sessions, informal meetings, research at other schools, a formal online response and surveys of staff and pupil use of devices all helped to inform our final preference, which is for iPads, supported as needed by keyboards. Our aim is that the whole school will be wireless enabled by this autumn. Staff will be equipped with iPads in order to research and develop their use in the classroom and their support for the curriculum over the next school year. Some class sets will be available for testing material with teaching groups." Note: this is as a result of my kids school issuing the statement in Q2 (which was part of a larger email). My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.:mad:
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DaveAuld wrote:
My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform
You forgot e) the typical quality of cheap android devices is poor, f) OS fragmentation will make everything more difficult and g) little kids love malware and the Android stores are chock full of it.
DaveAuld wrote:
My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.
...and to hell with anyone who already bought MS Surfaces or iPads! :rolleyes: Seems like you've drunk the Google Kool-Aid and have a real problem with even considering any alternatives. Good luck with that...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Much as I hate to come out in favour of the do-no-evil empire, I'd have to say android, because there's so much more the children can do (and therefore learn) with them. All they will learn with iToys is how to pose and be a tied consumer, and they probably already know everything they need to know about baby blocks, so MS won't be too much use.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Please explain to this poor ignorant sod what wonderful things the typical 8 year old will do with an Android tablet that they cannot do with a Surface or iPad?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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DaveAuld wrote:
My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform
You forgot e) the typical quality of cheap android devices is poor, f) OS fragmentation will make everything more difficult and g) little kids love malware and the Android stores are chock full of it.
DaveAuld wrote:
My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.
...and to hell with anyone who already bought MS Surfaces or iPads! :rolleyes: Seems like you've drunk the Google Kool-Aid and have a real problem with even considering any alternatives. Good luck with that...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Agree to e) but you get what you pay for, I have Samsung 8.9s + 10 tabs and they are no issue at all. as for f) OS fragmentation is improving, i wouldn't buy anything with less than V4 on it. g) that's life. iOS is one big malware. :rolleyes: :)
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I assume this is not a state school? No doubt they assume that anyone who can afford their fees can also afford the iPads, and no doubt assumed that most kids will already have iPads rather than any other device.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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In other words, the teachers wanted the school to buy them iPads.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierYup.
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let's play the devil advocate... and I don't have a preference one way or the other. What if the iPad (and all the different services) is indeed the best solution for the school ? Maybe there are other advantages that offset the cost of the device itself ? Have you asked the school for the criteria ? and if you you could propose a better alternative to those criteria would you go back to the school board and let them know ?
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Maximilien wrote:
Have you asked the school for the criteria ? and if you you could propose a better alternative to those criteria would you go back to the school board and let them know ?
I have asked for a copy of the report. Suspect it will be a looooooong wait.
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Please explain to this poor ignorant sod what wonderful things the typical 8 year old will do with an Android tablet that they cannot do with a Surface or iPad?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Not provide a parent's card details at registration is a biggie. OK, not aged 8, but aged 9 I was beginning to write software for the Sinclair Spectrum, by aged 12 I was pretty proficient, certainly better at BASIC than my primary school teacher. I don't see why today's kids need be any different. Deploying to Android: download the .apk file. Deploying to iPad: This[^] which (not explicitly stated requires you to register as a developer) or you could jailbreak it, which invalidates the warranty. Deploying to surface: ?????? - not even looked into it yet.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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In other words, the teachers wanted the school to buy them iPads.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierThis, this and a thousand times this.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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Maximilien wrote:
Have you asked the school for the criteria ? and if you you could propose a better alternative to those criteria would you go back to the school board and let them know ?
I have asked for a copy of the report. Suspect it will be a looooooong wait.
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Just going to leave this here[^]
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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Not provide a parent's card details at registration is a biggie. OK, not aged 8, but aged 9 I was beginning to write software for the Sinclair Spectrum, by aged 12 I was pretty proficient, certainly better at BASIC than my primary school teacher. I don't see why today's kids need be any different. Deploying to Android: download the .apk file. Deploying to iPad: This[^] which (not explicitly stated requires you to register as a developer) or you could jailbreak it, which invalidates the warranty. Deploying to surface: ?????? - not even looked into it yet.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
Keith Barrow wrote:
Not provide a parent's card details at registration is a biggie.
??? No idea what this even means.
Keith Barrow wrote:
OK, not aged 8, but aged 9 I was beginning to write software for the Sinclair Spectrum, by aged 12 I was pretty proficient, certainly better at BASIC than my primary school teacher. I don't see why today's kids need be any different.
I said "typical" 8 year old. You guys need to stop thinking like developers, power users and all around tech gods. The average tablet user (particularly very young children and teachers) have no interest in writing code. The vast majority of the time they will use a tablet (or a PC) to consume data (eBooks, educational apps, web content, educational games, etc...). The small time they are generating data will likely be using writing / presentation / multimedia tools. Only a very, VERY small percentage would even consider writing an app on any platform.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Eldest's new school, fee paying, forbids any laptops, tablets or mobile devices to be connected to their systems. Data transfer is with memory sticks or FTP to a secure area. Everything going in or out is scanned and logged. If they chose to use I* then they can but that would be for the school to finance.
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