Educational Use - Apple/Google/Microsoft?
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**Question 1)**Picture the scene, you are a school that is looking to review the use of technology in the classroom (i.e. defining future digital strategy). Let's consider you are looking at the age group 5 to 12 (Primary1 to P7). You may require that parent purchase devices in the future. You will also be possibly issuing to teachers etc. Taking all things into consideration, i.e. devices, usability, platform, the eco systems and tooling/services of the companies, Would you go for a) Microsoft + Surface b) Google + Android (using Galaxy Tabs/Notes and/or possibly Chromebooks) c) Apple + iPad (+ keyboard) My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform Question 2) What are your immediate thoughts to this statement: "We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device. We tested 9 different devices across 14 members of staff with others joining in. Drop-in sessions, informal meetings, research at other schools, a formal online response and surveys of staff and pupil use of devices all helped to inform our final preference, which is for iPads, supported as needed by keyboards. Our aim is that the whole school will be wireless enabled by this autumn. Staff will be equipped with iPads in order to research and develop their use in the classroom and their support for the curriculum over the next school year. Some class sets will be available for testing material with teaching groups." Note: this is as a result of my kids school issuing the statement in Q2 (which was part of a larger email). My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.:mad:
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let's play the devil advocate... and I don't have a preference one way or the other. What if the iPad (and all the different services) is indeed the best solution for the school ? Maybe there are other advantages that offset the cost of the device itself ? Have you asked the school for the criteria ? and if you you could propose a better alternative to those criteria would you go back to the school board and let them know ?
Nihil obstat
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**Question 1)**Picture the scene, you are a school that is looking to review the use of technology in the classroom (i.e. defining future digital strategy). Let's consider you are looking at the age group 5 to 12 (Primary1 to P7). You may require that parent purchase devices in the future. You will also be possibly issuing to teachers etc. Taking all things into consideration, i.e. devices, usability, platform, the eco systems and tooling/services of the companies, Would you go for a) Microsoft + Surface b) Google + Android (using Galaxy Tabs/Notes and/or possibly Chromebooks) c) Apple + iPad (+ keyboard) My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform Question 2) What are your immediate thoughts to this statement: "We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device. We tested 9 different devices across 14 members of staff with others joining in. Drop-in sessions, informal meetings, research at other schools, a formal online response and surveys of staff and pupil use of devices all helped to inform our final preference, which is for iPads, supported as needed by keyboards. Our aim is that the whole school will be wireless enabled by this autumn. Staff will be equipped with iPads in order to research and develop their use in the classroom and their support for the curriculum over the next school year. Some class sets will be available for testing material with teaching groups." Note: this is as a result of my kids school issuing the statement in Q2 (which was part of a larger email). My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.:mad:
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I assume this is not a state school? No doubt they assume that anyone who can afford their fees can also afford the iPads, and no doubt assumed that most kids will already have iPads rather than any other device.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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**Question 1)**Picture the scene, you are a school that is looking to review the use of technology in the classroom (i.e. defining future digital strategy). Let's consider you are looking at the age group 5 to 12 (Primary1 to P7). You may require that parent purchase devices in the future. You will also be possibly issuing to teachers etc. Taking all things into consideration, i.e. devices, usability, platform, the eco systems and tooling/services of the companies, Would you go for a) Microsoft + Surface b) Google + Android (using Galaxy Tabs/Notes and/or possibly Chromebooks) c) Apple + iPad (+ keyboard) My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform Question 2) What are your immediate thoughts to this statement: "We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device. We tested 9 different devices across 14 members of staff with others joining in. Drop-in sessions, informal meetings, research at other schools, a formal online response and surveys of staff and pupil use of devices all helped to inform our final preference, which is for iPads, supported as needed by keyboards. Our aim is that the whole school will be wireless enabled by this autumn. Staff will be equipped with iPads in order to research and develop their use in the classroom and their support for the curriculum over the next school year. Some class sets will be available for testing material with teaching groups." Note: this is as a result of my kids school issuing the statement in Q2 (which was part of a larger email). My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.:mad:
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DaveAuld wrote:
My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform
You forgot e) the typical quality of cheap android devices is poor, f) OS fragmentation will make everything more difficult and g) little kids love malware and the Android stores are chock full of it.
DaveAuld wrote:
My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.
...and to hell with anyone who already bought MS Surfaces or iPads! :rolleyes: Seems like you've drunk the Google Kool-Aid and have a real problem with even considering any alternatives. Good luck with that...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Much as I hate to come out in favour of the do-no-evil empire, I'd have to say android, because there's so much more the children can do (and therefore learn) with them. All they will learn with iToys is how to pose and be a tied consumer, and they probably already know everything they need to know about baby blocks, so MS won't be too much use.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Please explain to this poor ignorant sod what wonderful things the typical 8 year old will do with an Android tablet that they cannot do with a Surface or iPad?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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DaveAuld wrote:
My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform
You forgot e) the typical quality of cheap android devices is poor, f) OS fragmentation will make everything more difficult and g) little kids love malware and the Android stores are chock full of it.
DaveAuld wrote:
My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.
...and to hell with anyone who already bought MS Surfaces or iPads! :rolleyes: Seems like you've drunk the Google Kool-Aid and have a real problem with even considering any alternatives. Good luck with that...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Agree to e) but you get what you pay for, I have Samsung 8.9s + 10 tabs and they are no issue at all. as for f) OS fragmentation is improving, i wouldn't buy anything with less than V4 on it. g) that's life. iOS is one big malware. :rolleyes: :)
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I assume this is not a state school? No doubt they assume that anyone who can afford their fees can also afford the iPads, and no doubt assumed that most kids will already have iPads rather than any other device.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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In other words, the teachers wanted the school to buy them iPads.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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Please explain to this poor ignorant sod what wonderful things the typical 8 year old will do with an Android tablet that they cannot do with a Surface or iPad?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Not provide a parent's card details at registration is a biggie. OK, not aged 8, but aged 9 I was beginning to write software for the Sinclair Spectrum, by aged 12 I was pretty proficient, certainly better at BASIC than my primary school teacher. I don't see why today's kids need be any different. Deploying to Android: download the .apk file. Deploying to iPad: This[^] which (not explicitly stated requires you to register as a developer) or you could jailbreak it, which invalidates the warranty. Deploying to surface: ?????? - not even looked into it yet.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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let's play the devil advocate... and I don't have a preference one way or the other. What if the iPad (and all the different services) is indeed the best solution for the school ? Maybe there are other advantages that offset the cost of the device itself ? Have you asked the school for the criteria ? and if you you could propose a better alternative to those criteria would you go back to the school board and let them know ?
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Maximilien wrote:
Have you asked the school for the criteria ? and if you you could propose a better alternative to those criteria would you go back to the school board and let them know ?
I have asked for a copy of the report. Suspect it will be a looooooong wait.
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In other words, the teachers wanted the school to buy them iPads.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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Maximilien wrote:
Have you asked the school for the criteria ? and if you you could propose a better alternative to those criteria would you go back to the school board and let them know ?
I have asked for a copy of the report. Suspect it will be a looooooong wait.
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Just going to leave this here[^]
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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Not provide a parent's card details at registration is a biggie. OK, not aged 8, but aged 9 I was beginning to write software for the Sinclair Spectrum, by aged 12 I was pretty proficient, certainly better at BASIC than my primary school teacher. I don't see why today's kids need be any different. Deploying to Android: download the .apk file. Deploying to iPad: This[^] which (not explicitly stated requires you to register as a developer) or you could jailbreak it, which invalidates the warranty. Deploying to surface: ?????? - not even looked into it yet.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
Keith Barrow wrote:
Not provide a parent's card details at registration is a biggie.
??? No idea what this even means.
Keith Barrow wrote:
OK, not aged 8, but aged 9 I was beginning to write software for the Sinclair Spectrum, by aged 12 I was pretty proficient, certainly better at BASIC than my primary school teacher. I don't see why today's kids need be any different.
I said "typical" 8 year old. You guys need to stop thinking like developers, power users and all around tech gods. The average tablet user (particularly very young children and teachers) have no interest in writing code. The vast majority of the time they will use a tablet (or a PC) to consume data (eBooks, educational apps, web content, educational games, etc...). The small time they are generating data will likely be using writing / presentation / multimedia tools. Only a very, VERY small percentage would even consider writing an app on any platform.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Eldest's new school, fee paying, forbids any laptops, tablets or mobile devices to be connected to their systems. Data transfer is with memory sticks or FTP to a secure area. Everything going in or out is scanned and logged. If they chose to use I* then they can but that would be for the school to finance.
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**Question 1)**Picture the scene, you are a school that is looking to review the use of technology in the classroom (i.e. defining future digital strategy). Let's consider you are looking at the age group 5 to 12 (Primary1 to P7). You may require that parent purchase devices in the future. You will also be possibly issuing to teachers etc. Taking all things into consideration, i.e. devices, usability, platform, the eco systems and tooling/services of the companies, Would you go for a) Microsoft + Surface b) Google + Android (using Galaxy Tabs/Notes and/or possibly Chromebooks) c) Apple + iPad (+ keyboard) My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform Question 2) What are your immediate thoughts to this statement: "We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device. We tested 9 different devices across 14 members of staff with others joining in. Drop-in sessions, informal meetings, research at other schools, a formal online response and surveys of staff and pupil use of devices all helped to inform our final preference, which is for iPads, supported as needed by keyboards. Our aim is that the whole school will be wireless enabled by this autumn. Staff will be equipped with iPads in order to research and develop their use in the classroom and their support for the curriculum over the next school year. Some class sets will be available for testing material with teaching groups." Note: this is as a result of my kids school issuing the statement in Q2 (which was part of a larger email). My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.:mad:
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5-12 year olds don't need £300 pieces of electronics, whichever manufacturer it's from. This is a massive waste of educational resources, and a disgrace when budgets and services are being cut. Additionally, parents should never be expected to buy expensive kit for their children to take part in education. School is for developing fundamental skills in language, maths and logic, and the ability to think critically and analytically, to set you up for life. All of that is device agnostic, to the extent of it being fine on paper.
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Keith Barrow wrote:
Not provide a parent's card details at registration is a biggie.
??? No idea what this even means.
Keith Barrow wrote:
OK, not aged 8, but aged 9 I was beginning to write software for the Sinclair Spectrum, by aged 12 I was pretty proficient, certainly better at BASIC than my primary school teacher. I don't see why today's kids need be any different.
I said "typical" 8 year old. You guys need to stop thinking like developers, power users and all around tech gods. The average tablet user (particularly very young children and teachers) have no interest in writing code. The vast majority of the time they will use a tablet (or a PC) to consume data (eBooks, educational apps, web content, educational games, etc...). The small time they are generating data will likely be using writing / presentation / multimedia tools. Only a very, VERY small percentage would even consider writing an app on any platform.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Only a very, VERY small percentage would even consider writing an app on any platform.
Learning to code is to be taught to all children from age 7 in the UK. Or at least that was the plan in a report drawn up at the end of last year, may have changed by now.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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5-12 year olds don't need £300 pieces of electronics, whichever manufacturer it's from. This is a massive waste of educational resources, and a disgrace when budgets and services are being cut. Additionally, parents should never be expected to buy expensive kit for their children to take part in education. School is for developing fundamental skills in language, maths and logic, and the ability to think critically and analytically, to set you up for life. All of that is device agnostic, to the extent of it being fine on paper.
BobJanova wrote:
parents should never be expected to buy expensive kit for their children to take part in education
You're not up to date with private education are you. £££££ :sigh:
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5-12 year olds don't need £300 pieces of electronics, whichever manufacturer it's from. This is a massive waste of educational resources, and a disgrace when budgets and services are being cut. Additionally, parents should never be expected to buy expensive kit for their children to take part in education. School is for developing fundamental skills in language, maths and logic, and the ability to think critically and analytically, to set you up for life. All of that is device agnostic, to the extent of it being fine on paper.
Agree in principle. However, my two were brought up on technology and they are streets ahead of their peers which is putting them at an advantage now and in the future. However, they still haven't lost core fundamentals in the 3Rs. My youngest does like to pick here nose a lot. She doesn't even know she does it now. Muscle memory has set it. Don't think the 3Rs or any iPad will help there :doh:
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5-12 year olds don't need £300 pieces of electronics, whichever manufacturer it's from. This is a massive waste of educational resources, and a disgrace when budgets and services are being cut. Additionally, parents should never be expected to buy expensive kit for their children to take part in education. School is for developing fundamental skills in language, maths and logic, and the ability to think critically and analytically, to set you up for life. All of that is device agnostic, to the extent of it being fine on paper.
BobJanova wrote:
School is for developing fundamental skills in language, maths and logic, and the ability to think critically and analytically, to set you up for life. All of that is device agnostic,
Agree 100%
BobJanova wrote:
to the extent of it being fine on paper.
Maybe... maybe not. I don't put a lot of faith in schools / teachers using technology effectively. I've personally seen technology (and the money thrown at it) wasted more often than not in primary schools. But... when done right... it can certainly be more efficient and effective than paper (look at most modern offices compared to 30 years ago) and the students that benefit from it will have an advantage.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Only a very, VERY small percentage would even consider writing an app on any platform.
Learning to code is to be taught to all children from age 7 in the UK. Or at least that was the plan in a report drawn up at the end of last year, may have changed by now.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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ChrisElston wrote:
Learning to code is to be taught to all children from age 7 in the UK.
Good luck with that...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
That's OK, I'm not going to be teaching them. I'm 38, we were all taught to code in some form of Basic and other simply stuff from around age 12 in what was called CDT - Computer Design Technology.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks