Idiots to the left of me, idiots to the right
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You know when the business comes to you and says we want to do something and you say that is really stupid. They insist on having it done so you so OK, but you must make sure you do this otherwise you are going to get in all sorts of trouble and they say yes. So you do something stupid and try to forget your concerns then months down the line they come to you with a small problem, you have a look and notice an unholy mess and say to them remember when I told you you must do this? You didn't do it did you? And they say no. How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Don't start punching the developer...
...punch the accountant instead. ;)
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Me thinks you should have written The Accountant. Form an orderly queue for when he gets back from Jam'n'Cake.
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You know when the business comes to you and says we want to do something and you say that is really stupid. They insist on having it done so you so OK, but you must make sure you do this otherwise you are going to get in all sorts of trouble and they say yes. So you do something stupid and try to forget your concerns then months down the line they come to you with a small problem, you have a look and notice an unholy mess and say to them remember when I told you you must do this? You didn't do it did you? And they say no. How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
I never hurt anyone. I'm just a fuzzy old teddy bear. All my life I progressed up the company ladder until I reached middle management where you start interacting with the company directors and chairman of the board. I really tried to make a positive contribution to the welfare of the company, by politely pointing out the stupidity of many of their decisions. One would think they would heap gratitude on my head for being such a valuable employee, but NO! They were so utterly stupid that they actually resented my contributions! Especially the various Board Chairmen did not appreciate it, when I pointed out their stupid decisions in board meetings and that they really shouldn't be such pompous asses! At my last job, just before I retired, the company vice president told me to please stop scaring people. I told him that I am just trying to fix stupidity. Then he told me the great truth that eluded me all my life: "You just cannot fix stupid." - Gil Combs Why did it take me 40 years of being stuck in middle management positions to learn this? I wish I had met Gil many years ago! Ah well, at least I never got fired - not once. Wonder why?
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ChrisElston wrote:
How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
-1) When the stupid decision is made I make sure I send an e-mail outlining why I think the decision is stupid. 0) I keep the e-Mail 1) I get paid 2) They notice the balls-up 3) I show them the e-Mail. 4) They can complain all they like. 5) I get paid. I used to work in local government, the first thing you learn is to cover your back against the general levels of incompetence. They'll still try and blame you, but you'll have proof you were against the decision.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
Oh I have everything in emails, it is just frustrating having to do something that was entirely avoidable, and being salaried I get no more money from fixing their cock ups.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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You know when the business comes to you and says we want to do something and you say that is really stupid. They insist on having it done so you so OK, but you must make sure you do this otherwise you are going to get in all sorts of trouble and they say yes. So you do something stupid and try to forget your concerns then months down the line they come to you with a small problem, you have a look and notice an unholy mess and say to them remember when I told you you must do this? You didn't do it did you? And they say no. How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
I make sure I get that initial insistence, including an agreement to the "you must do this", in an email, which I save. Then when they come back and complain because of their own stupidity in not doing item X that I told them they must do, I send them a copy of that email and say, well, you agreed to do this and the consequences of not doing so means you have to find budget to fix this.
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You know when the business comes to you and says we want to do something and you say that is really stupid. They insist on having it done so you so OK, but you must make sure you do this otherwise you are going to get in all sorts of trouble and they say yes. So you do something stupid and try to forget your concerns then months down the line they come to you with a small problem, you have a look and notice an unholy mess and say to them remember when I told you you must do this? You didn't do it did you? And they say no. How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
ChrisElston wrote:
How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
You don't. You hurt them. You hurt them very badly. They will still screw up next time, so then you get to hurt them even more. This is a philosophy I would love to live by, but regrettably, I just charge more, but because the screwer-upper usually doesn't have to pay personally, they will never learn. :sigh:
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ChrisElston wrote:
How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
You don't. You hurt them. You hurt them very badly. They will still screw up next time, so then you get to hurt them even more. This is a philosophy I would love to live by, but regrettably, I just charge more, but because the screwer-upper usually doesn't have to pay personally, they will never learn. :sigh:
On the other hand, you get paid to perpetuate the c@ck-up, then you get paid again to undo the damage. And generally, because you can predict the damage that the c@ck-up is going to cause, you can plan for the repair when you do the perpetration, and still gouge charge the customer as a punishment appropriately and get the fix done in far less time than they are expecting. And get a reputation as a Team Playing Miracle Worker into the bargain... :laugh:
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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On the other hand, you get paid to perpetuate the c@ck-up, then you get paid again to undo the damage. And generally, because you can predict the damage that the c@ck-up is going to cause, you can plan for the repair when you do the perpetration, and still gouge charge the customer as a punishment appropriately and get the fix done in far less time than they are expecting. And get a reputation as a Team Playing Miracle Worker into the bargain... :laugh:
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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You know when the business comes to you and says we want to do something and you say that is really stupid. They insist on having it done so you so OK, but you must make sure you do this otherwise you are going to get in all sorts of trouble and they say yes. So you do something stupid and try to forget your concerns then months down the line they come to you with a small problem, you have a look and notice an unholy mess and say to them remember when I told you you must do this? You didn't do it did you? And they say no. How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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You know when the business comes to you and says we want to do something and you say that is really stupid. They insist on having it done so you so OK, but you must make sure you do this otherwise you are going to get in all sorts of trouble and they say yes. So you do something stupid and try to forget your concerns then months down the line they come to you with a small problem, you have a look and notice an unholy mess and say to them remember when I told you you must do this? You didn't do it did you? And they say no. How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
ChrisElston wrote:
you must make sure you do this otherwise you are going to get in all sorts of trouble and they say yes
This should be a lesson learned. Idiots are going to f*** up...count on it! In this age of remote desktops, it should have been easy enough for you to make sure 'this' was done, thereby saving yourself some unnecessary work. On the other hand, it's still work...and you are getting paid to fix their mess right? Go have a double after work and shrug it off man. :-D
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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You know when the business comes to you and says we want to do something and you say that is really stupid. They insist on having it done so you so OK, but you must make sure you do this otherwise you are going to get in all sorts of trouble and they say yes. So you do something stupid and try to forget your concerns then months down the line they come to you with a small problem, you have a look and notice an unholy mess and say to them remember when I told you you must do this? You didn't do it did you? And they say no. How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
There are methods that allow to kill painlessly... I'm just sayin'... :rolleyes:
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There are methods that allow to kill painlessly... I'm just sayin'... :rolleyes:
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I expect he'd want a certain amount of pain in this case.
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ChrisElston wrote:
you must make sure you do this otherwise you are going to get in all sorts of trouble and they say yes
This should be a lesson learned. Idiots are going to f*** up...count on it! In this age of remote desktops, it should have been easy enough for you to make sure 'this' was done, thereby saving yourself some unnecessary work. On the other hand, it's still work...and you are getting paid to fix their mess right? Go have a double after work and shrug it off man. :-D
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
No remote desktop I know of that allows you to check what manual process they put in place to cover a gap in the systems so ensuring a set of control data doesn't get out of sync.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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No remote desktop I know of that allows you to check what manual process they put in place to cover a gap in the systems so ensuring a set of control data doesn't get out of sync.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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You know when the business comes to you and says we want to do something and you say that is really stupid. They insist on having it done so you so OK, but you must make sure you do this otherwise you are going to get in all sorts of trouble and they say yes. So you do something stupid and try to forget your concerns then months down the line they come to you with a small problem, you have a look and notice an unholy mess and say to them remember when I told you you must do this? You didn't do it did you? And they say no. How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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My apoligies. This is one of those instances where I don't know what I'm talking about...think I'll have the double. :)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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On the other hand, you get paid to perpetuate the c@ck-up, then you get paid again to undo the damage. And generally, because you can predict the damage that the c@ck-up is going to cause, you can plan for the repair when you do the perpetration, and still gouge charge the customer as a punishment appropriately and get the fix done in far less time than they are expecting. And get a reputation as a Team Playing Miracle Worker into the bargain... :laugh:
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
Now you're just writing my biography. Steady on there I'm not ready to retire just yet. :)
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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You know when the business comes to you and says we want to do something and you say that is really stupid. They insist on having it done so you so OK, but you must make sure you do this otherwise you are going to get in all sorts of trouble and they say yes. So you do something stupid and try to forget your concerns then months down the line they come to you with a small problem, you have a look and notice an unholy mess and say to them remember when I told you you must do this? You didn't do it did you? And they say no. How do you avoid hurting people at that point?
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
ChrisElston wrote:
You know when the business comes to you and says we want to do something and you say that is really stupid.
They insist on having it done so you so OK, but you must make sure you do this otherwise you are going to get in all sorts of trouble and they say yes.Smile and remember that when they do not listen to you you get paid twice; once when you do it their way and once when you do it the right way. :~
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