VS 2013 Preview
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Ron Beyer wrote:
Here's to Windows 9 and the return of the start menu and desktop
The desktop never went away... :doh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Very true -- been running Win8 on my laptop for some time and I don't think I ever use any of the apps and rarely even go to the start screen. I pin'd the apps I used to the taskbar and just use that. I think for a touch device they may be nice, but I haven't found any need for the store apps on a laptop.
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Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting"). ---------------- We’re excited to announce that Visual Studio 2013 Preview is now available! The rapid evolution of software development requires a rapid delivery cadence for both the tools and the frameworks you use. Visual Studio 2013 Preview and .NET 4.5.1 Preview provide new capabilities that will help you deliver continuous innovation for your customers, by providing enhanced development capabilities and agile team collaboration tools to deliver in faster cycles. • Create outstanding experiences across Windows devices, including the latest development, design and diagnostics tools for Windows 8.1. • Create modern web applications and services on-premises or in the cloud, with the new additions to Visual Studio and ASP.NET that simplify web development across multiple browsers and devices. • Achieve business agility with an integrated solution that enables shorter cycles, now including agile portfolio management, real-time collaboration with team room and easier access to the information you need directly from the code editor. • Continuously enable quality throughout the development process, with enhanced testing tools that leverage the cloud for enabling new scenarios such as cloud-based load testing. Take advantage of these powerful tools and services by downloading Visual Studio 2013 Preview today! Sincerely, The MSDN Subscriptions Team ------------------ Like Windows 8, this looks like one to skip. Of particular note is that they don't have a line item that reads something like "We listened to our customers, and fixed all that annoying shit you guys mentioned with regards to VS2012."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting").
According to my knowledge it means "driving pleasure", but I'm pretty sure you knew that. I believe there's a story I haven't heard hidden in that sentence.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting").
According to my knowledge it means "driving pleasure", but I'm pretty sure you knew that. I believe there's a story I haven't heard hidden in that sentence.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting").
According to my knowledge it means "driving pleasure", but I'm pretty sure you knew that. I believe there's a story I haven't heard hidden in that sentence.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
Years ago Volkswagen used this word in thier television advertising, at least in the U.S. Perhaps to John it meant nothing especially interesting because, "It's not a car, it's a Volkswagen." Another of their equally ineffective advertising tag lines.
BDF The internet makes dumb people dumber and clever people cleverer. -- PaulowniaK
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Years ago Volkswagen used this word in thier television advertising, at least in the U.S. Perhaps to John it meant nothing especially interesting because, "It's not a car, it's a Volkswagen." Another of their equally ineffective advertising tag lines.
BDF The internet makes dumb people dumber and clever people cleverer. -- PaulowniaK
I knew there had to be a story behind it. I have a Volkswagen, and it's boooring. John has a Mustang. I've never driven a newer Mustang, but the '67 is NOT boring. The cornering is almost dangerous, but not boring.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
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I knew there had to be a story behind it. I have a Volkswagen, and it's boooring. John has a Mustang. I've never driven a newer Mustang, but the '67 is NOT boring. The cornering is almost dangerous, but not boring.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I have a Volkswagen, and it's boooring.
It's not a car.... You know the rest.
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
John has a Mustang.
Now that's a car.
BDF The internet makes dumb people dumber and clever people cleverer. -- PaulowniaK
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Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting"). ---------------- We’re excited to announce that Visual Studio 2013 Preview is now available! The rapid evolution of software development requires a rapid delivery cadence for both the tools and the frameworks you use. Visual Studio 2013 Preview and .NET 4.5.1 Preview provide new capabilities that will help you deliver continuous innovation for your customers, by providing enhanced development capabilities and agile team collaboration tools to deliver in faster cycles. • Create outstanding experiences across Windows devices, including the latest development, design and diagnostics tools for Windows 8.1. • Create modern web applications and services on-premises or in the cloud, with the new additions to Visual Studio and ASP.NET that simplify web development across multiple browsers and devices. • Achieve business agility with an integrated solution that enables shorter cycles, now including agile portfolio management, real-time collaboration with team room and easier access to the information you need directly from the code editor. • Continuously enable quality throughout the development process, with enhanced testing tools that leverage the cloud for enabling new scenarios such as cloud-based load testing. Take advantage of these powerful tools and services by downloading Visual Studio 2013 Preview today! Sincerely, The MSDN Subscriptions Team ------------------ Like Windows 8, this looks like one to skip. Of particular note is that they don't have a line item that reads something like "We listened to our customers, and fixed all that annoying shit you guys mentioned with regards to VS2012."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
"nothing especially interesting"
Yeah I think I agree. My only reason for upgrading is for C++11 features, most of which are in the VS2012 release (also otherwise boring and I still hate that it SHOUTS TOO MUCH).
-- Harvey
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There's a reason I'm still running VS2010 :) And like Windows ME, hopefully they realize that Windows 8 is just that painful step between a good operating system and an even better one. :beer: Here's to Windows 9 and the return of the start menu and desktop :)
I'm still running VS2008! ...although I should get with the program and go to something newer soon... X|
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You take my PM or my BA and your dead! Unlike some I get real value from both, one deals with all the paperwork and HR crap the other tries to get some intelligence from the users.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting"). ---------------- We’re excited to announce that Visual Studio 2013 Preview is now available! The rapid evolution of software development requires a rapid delivery cadence for both the tools and the frameworks you use. Visual Studio 2013 Preview and .NET 4.5.1 Preview provide new capabilities that will help you deliver continuous innovation for your customers, by providing enhanced development capabilities and agile team collaboration tools to deliver in faster cycles. • Create outstanding experiences across Windows devices, including the latest development, design and diagnostics tools for Windows 8.1. • Create modern web applications and services on-premises or in the cloud, with the new additions to Visual Studio and ASP.NET that simplify web development across multiple browsers and devices. • Achieve business agility with an integrated solution that enables shorter cycles, now including agile portfolio management, real-time collaboration with team room and easier access to the information you need directly from the code editor. • Continuously enable quality throughout the development process, with enhanced testing tools that leverage the cloud for enabling new scenarios such as cloud-based load testing. Take advantage of these powerful tools and services by downloading Visual Studio 2013 Preview today! Sincerely, The MSDN Subscriptions Team ------------------ Like Windows 8, this looks like one to skip. Of particular note is that they don't have a line item that reads something like "We listened to our customers, and fixed all that annoying shit you guys mentioned with regards to VS2012."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Hah I haven't even gone to the all caps version, both it (and probably 13 as well) and windows 8 are going to get the Vista treatment, ignore and hope like hell the next version is workable!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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No, not exactly, although every time I boot my Win 8 machine I have to explicitly hit a button to go to the desktop and then wait another 30-60 seconds for Explorer to load. Win 8.1 is bringing back boot-to-desktop and although the button for the start "menu" is there, all it does is bring up the huge full screen super annoying menu. Granted 8.1 is better than it is currently on 8 with vertical scrolling and sorting, but in the current version of Win8, finding my installed programs is not easy, to the point I just made shortcuts to all of them on the desktop which I hate to do.
Even in current Windows 8.. its possible.. see How to Boot to the Desktop in Windows 8 & Skip the Start Screen Though I have rarely used this since hibernate works best and its actually quite fast. And to avoid the "huge full screen menu" simply use Start8 app by Stardock. Its fantastic. Personaly, I have found Windows 8 to be quite good. Only grudge I have with Windows is the explorer which gets a little slow with lots of files and in tiles or thumbnail view. Hoping Win 8.1 fixes that.
------------------------------------------------------------------ Life would have been much easier if I had the source-code!!
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
"nothing especially interesting"
Yeah I think I agree. My only reason for upgrading is for C++11 features, most of which are in the VS2012 release (also otherwise boring and I still hate that it SHOUTS TOO MUCH).
-- Harvey
After tweaking (NiceVS etc.) the VS2012 installations I use look passibly like VS2010. No doubt VS2013 will get the same treatment. In this release C++ 11 is the only thing I'm really interested in, anyway (nearly 2 years after the standard was released!). I wonder how long we'll have to wait for C++ 14 support once it is finalised?
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting"). ---------------- We’re excited to announce that Visual Studio 2013 Preview is now available! The rapid evolution of software development requires a rapid delivery cadence for both the tools and the frameworks you use. Visual Studio 2013 Preview and .NET 4.5.1 Preview provide new capabilities that will help you deliver continuous innovation for your customers, by providing enhanced development capabilities and agile team collaboration tools to deliver in faster cycles. • Create outstanding experiences across Windows devices, including the latest development, design and diagnostics tools for Windows 8.1. • Create modern web applications and services on-premises or in the cloud, with the new additions to Visual Studio and ASP.NET that simplify web development across multiple browsers and devices. • Achieve business agility with an integrated solution that enables shorter cycles, now including agile portfolio management, real-time collaboration with team room and easier access to the information you need directly from the code editor. • Continuously enable quality throughout the development process, with enhanced testing tools that leverage the cloud for enabling new scenarios such as cloud-based load testing. Take advantage of these powerful tools and services by downloading Visual Studio 2013 Preview today! Sincerely, The MSDN Subscriptions Team ------------------ Like Windows 8, this looks like one to skip. Of particular note is that they don't have a line item that reads something like "We listened to our customers, and fixed all that annoying shit you guys mentioned with regards to VS2012."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997It's actually German for "Fun while driving".
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Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting"). ---------------- We’re excited to announce that Visual Studio 2013 Preview is now available! The rapid evolution of software development requires a rapid delivery cadence for both the tools and the frameworks you use. Visual Studio 2013 Preview and .NET 4.5.1 Preview provide new capabilities that will help you deliver continuous innovation for your customers, by providing enhanced development capabilities and agile team collaboration tools to deliver in faster cycles. • Create outstanding experiences across Windows devices, including the latest development, design and diagnostics tools for Windows 8.1. • Create modern web applications and services on-premises or in the cloud, with the new additions to Visual Studio and ASP.NET that simplify web development across multiple browsers and devices. • Achieve business agility with an integrated solution that enables shorter cycles, now including agile portfolio management, real-time collaboration with team room and easier access to the information you need directly from the code editor. • Continuously enable quality throughout the development process, with enhanced testing tools that leverage the cloud for enabling new scenarios such as cloud-based load testing. Take advantage of these powerful tools and services by downloading Visual Studio 2013 Preview today! Sincerely, The MSDN Subscriptions Team ------------------ Like Windows 8, this looks like one to skip. Of particular note is that they don't have a line item that reads something like "We listened to our customers, and fixed all that annoying shit you guys mentioned with regards to VS2012."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I saw the email from MS about the VS 13 preview. It's not even a month that I installed VS12. I cannot believe they can come up with an IDE as big as VS as quickly as they are. I do not think there will be anything new or better from VS2010. IMHO VS12 was hurried up given the flaws it has. So I do not have any faith in VS13 as of now.
"Bastards encourage idiots to use Oracle Forms, Web Forms, Access and a number of other dinky web publishing tolls.", Mycroft Holmes[^]
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Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting"). ---------------- We’re excited to announce that Visual Studio 2013 Preview is now available! The rapid evolution of software development requires a rapid delivery cadence for both the tools and the frameworks you use. Visual Studio 2013 Preview and .NET 4.5.1 Preview provide new capabilities that will help you deliver continuous innovation for your customers, by providing enhanced development capabilities and agile team collaboration tools to deliver in faster cycles. • Create outstanding experiences across Windows devices, including the latest development, design and diagnostics tools for Windows 8.1. • Create modern web applications and services on-premises or in the cloud, with the new additions to Visual Studio and ASP.NET that simplify web development across multiple browsers and devices. • Achieve business agility with an integrated solution that enables shorter cycles, now including agile portfolio management, real-time collaboration with team room and easier access to the information you need directly from the code editor. • Continuously enable quality throughout the development process, with enhanced testing tools that leverage the cloud for enabling new scenarios such as cloud-based load testing. Take advantage of these powerful tools and services by downloading Visual Studio 2013 Preview today! Sincerely, The MSDN Subscriptions Team ------------------ Like Windows 8, this looks like one to skip. Of particular note is that they don't have a line item that reads something like "We listened to our customers, and fixed all that annoying shit you guys mentioned with regards to VS2012."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I thought "Farfegnugen" is from a VW commercial? The joy of driving (Fahrvergnügen). However, for a German speaker the word "Farfegnugen" was hard to recognize and looked more like the name from a Viking good :-)
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting").
According to my knowledge it means "driving pleasure", but I'm pretty sure you knew that. I believe there's a story I haven't heard hidden in that sentence.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln
If that is the word, the correct spelling would be "Fahrvergnügen". Of course if he's never seen it in writing he wouldn't know. There is no colloquial hidden meaning behind that word that I know of. But, looking at the VW ad mentioned below, I do agree that german advertisement in general is boring, so you might connect quite a lot of german words with that interpretation (nothing of interest) ;)
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Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting"). ---------------- We’re excited to announce that Visual Studio 2013 Preview is now available! The rapid evolution of software development requires a rapid delivery cadence for both the tools and the frameworks you use. Visual Studio 2013 Preview and .NET 4.5.1 Preview provide new capabilities that will help you deliver continuous innovation for your customers, by providing enhanced development capabilities and agile team collaboration tools to deliver in faster cycles. • Create outstanding experiences across Windows devices, including the latest development, design and diagnostics tools for Windows 8.1. • Create modern web applications and services on-premises or in the cloud, with the new additions to Visual Studio and ASP.NET that simplify web development across multiple browsers and devices. • Achieve business agility with an integrated solution that enables shorter cycles, now including agile portfolio management, real-time collaboration with team room and easier access to the information you need directly from the code editor. • Continuously enable quality throughout the development process, with enhanced testing tools that leverage the cloud for enabling new scenarios such as cloud-based load testing. Take advantage of these powerful tools and services by downloading Visual Studio 2013 Preview today! Sincerely, The MSDN Subscriptions Team ------------------ Like Windows 8, this looks like one to skip. Of particular note is that they don't have a line item that reads something like "We listened to our customers, and fixed all that annoying shit you guys mentioned with regards to VS2012."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I think they are going to have a nasty surprise when it goes to market. Considering it's a full year-version bump it means that it's also a full price tag refresh for anyone who isn't an MSDN subscriber (and probably not worth the 15 minutes spent installing it even if they are). Sorry Microsoft, Visual Studio is one of the best pieces of software in existence - but I am going to skip this one (that is, unless there is a appropriated priced upgrade option from VS2012). "Farfegnugen" is spot on - I think VS2012.1 had more feature additions than this. Should have kept it in dev for one or two more years, tsk tsk.
He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes. He who does not ask a question remains a fool forever. [Chinese Proverb] Jonathan C Dickinson (C# Software Engineer)
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One thing it does have that I am interested in is more C++11 support. November CTP included variadic templates and initializer_lists that were buggy and did not have std library changes. With the Visual Studio 2013 preview, the quality of implementation is improved, and the features now have std library support. In addition, with a go-live license - this is the first time you can use variadic templates in production with Visual C++.
Still way behind GCC and CLang, both of which are now C++ 11 feature complete. All we need is CLang integration with the IDE, and we could forget the MS compiler. Its not fit for purpose any more.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
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Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting"). ---------------- We’re excited to announce that Visual Studio 2013 Preview is now available! The rapid evolution of software development requires a rapid delivery cadence for both the tools and the frameworks you use. Visual Studio 2013 Preview and .NET 4.5.1 Preview provide new capabilities that will help you deliver continuous innovation for your customers, by providing enhanced development capabilities and agile team collaboration tools to deliver in faster cycles. • Create outstanding experiences across Windows devices, including the latest development, design and diagnostics tools for Windows 8.1. • Create modern web applications and services on-premises or in the cloud, with the new additions to Visual Studio and ASP.NET that simplify web development across multiple browsers and devices. • Achieve business agility with an integrated solution that enables shorter cycles, now including agile portfolio management, real-time collaboration with team room and easier access to the information you need directly from the code editor. • Continuously enable quality throughout the development process, with enhanced testing tools that leverage the cloud for enabling new scenarios such as cloud-based load testing. Take advantage of these powerful tools and services by downloading Visual Studio 2013 Preview today! Sincerely, The MSDN Subscriptions Team ------------------ Like Windows 8, this looks like one to skip. Of particular note is that they don't have a line item that reads something like "We listened to our customers, and fixed all that annoying shit you guys mentioned with regards to VS2012."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997The joy of driving is spelled "Fahrvergnügen" (from a German BMW advertisement). There is another German word for the MSDN quote: "Marketingsprech" (marketing talk). Means a lot of politically correct text and no contents. Engineers should entirely skip these or at least don't expect any added value. The older I get, the better T was.
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Looks like it's full of "Farfegnugen" (German for "nothing especially interesting"). ---------------- We’re excited to announce that Visual Studio 2013 Preview is now available! The rapid evolution of software development requires a rapid delivery cadence for both the tools and the frameworks you use. Visual Studio 2013 Preview and .NET 4.5.1 Preview provide new capabilities that will help you deliver continuous innovation for your customers, by providing enhanced development capabilities and agile team collaboration tools to deliver in faster cycles. • Create outstanding experiences across Windows devices, including the latest development, design and diagnostics tools for Windows 8.1. • Create modern web applications and services on-premises or in the cloud, with the new additions to Visual Studio and ASP.NET that simplify web development across multiple browsers and devices. • Achieve business agility with an integrated solution that enables shorter cycles, now including agile portfolio management, real-time collaboration with team room and easier access to the information you need directly from the code editor. • Continuously enable quality throughout the development process, with enhanced testing tools that leverage the cloud for enabling new scenarios such as cloud-based load testing. Take advantage of these powerful tools and services by downloading Visual Studio 2013 Preview today! Sincerely, The MSDN Subscriptions Team ------------------ Like Windows 8, this looks like one to skip. Of particular note is that they don't have a line item that reads something like "We listened to our customers, and fixed all that annoying shit you guys mentioned with regards to VS2012."
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997