My Unit Testing e-book is published!
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That's possibly not the most tactful post you could have made. I'm betting that writing this has not been the easiest thing that Marc has done, and you've effectively just said "get this other book - it's much better". Not cool.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierI didn't compared the books. I just said my thoughts on the eBooks available in market. Just thought it would help some guys who are interested in digging up more and get to know more about unit testing in advanced level. If any one would have gone through The Art Of Unit Testing would come to know what I'm saying :) Thanks,
Ranjan.D
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[toot toot] Woohoo! If you want a refreshing view of unit testing (would you expect anything else, hahaha) download Unit Testing Succinctly[^]. [/toot toot] Incidentally, I quite enjoyed working with SyncFusion - they paid decently for the book, did some great editing, and the entire experience was very pleasant. Marc
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Congratulations! I've downloaded and will peruse at leisure. I've never had the opportunity to ask this, what was the process like? I mean an overview of how you actually went about writing the thing, rather than how smooth you found the process. It's not something I'm every likely to do, but the process intrigues me.
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I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]
Keith Barrow wrote:
I mean an overview of how you actually went about writing the thing,
Well, I had a failed attempt through an actual book publisher years ago. While I had done an outline, what I realized in hindsight was that I hadn't done a sufficiently detailed outline to discover where my knowledge gaps were, and also failed to discover that some sections were completely without meaningful content - they sounded great as a bullet topic but there was nothing useful to say when it got to writing down the content. So, with this, I decided I would write the book by iterating deeper and deeper into the sections of the outline, slowly transforming the outline into actual text. So, I first started with a high level outline in which I quickly realized I had some gaping holes that needed to be plugged, upon which I discovered that the technology had advanced considerably since I had last written about it on CP. NUnit in particular is very slick now, with lots of useful stuff. I also had to filter out a lot of things I could have written about, as I was limited to about 100 pages. Iterating through the outline, I would use it as both a mental placeholder (write about "this" here) as well as creating a continually refined structure to my thoughts. As you can imagine, various sections got moved around as I discovered overlap, and some sections got deleted entirely and being useless. At some point, the bullet item outline started to become actual paragraphs of text, sort of like a tree leafing out - you have the trunk and all the branches, the text was the foliage, which, in full summer, actually obscures the structure of the tree. That was what the end result was. Thanks for asking! Marc
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[toot toot] Woohoo! If you want a refreshing view of unit testing (would you expect anything else, hahaha) download Unit Testing Succinctly[^]. [/toot toot] Incidentally, I quite enjoyed working with SyncFusion - they paid decently for the book, did some great editing, and the entire experience was very pleasant. Marc
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Ranjan.D wrote:
It's really nice and it's good for beginner level.
Oh, I don't know about that. I cover things most evangelists of a technology rarely do, for example, how to make unit tests actually cost effective.
Ranjan.D wrote:
For more advanced book I would recommend reading
I certainly didn't see anything more advanced in that book. I think it's really important to understand unit testing from a holistic perspective rather than just the nuts and bolts of the technology. Sure, I didn't cover mocking, but I do go into the complexities of writing unit tests when using components like LINQ, and the benefit/cost of writing unit testable code. Marc
Mocking and Stubbing are the basics one has to understand while doing unit testing. Also it's not about the technology which is really important , it's all the concepts that's really required for one to understand about unit testing. The Art of Unit testing does not target the technology. They have covered the over all things which are really required for developers. I thought it would be better for other developers who want to know more and dig in to the advanced concepts and techniques of Unit Testing. Thanks,
Ranjan.D
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Totally over the line. Read it and then critique, but don't dismiss it out of hand. I've downloaded it and I will read it as soon as I can. Why? I know that Marc is the real deal and I know that I can trust his guidance or opinion. Marc has made a huge contribution to this site and unlike some people [Vilmos sticks his hand in the air] he does not blow his own trumpet. Often. In conclusion: Ya boo sucks to you!
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It depends on your interest in reading the books to understand the concepts , No critics or tactics. It's all about understanding Unit Testing. If you want take it else leave it :) Thanks,
Ranjan.D
Your message is garbled beyond belief, but I'll try and reply. If I want to find out something, I go to a source that I trust. Big word that, trust. Now, I know who Marc is and I trust him, so I will read his well priced book. If I then found something I wasn't sure about I would go elsewhere. However the point I and Pete made, and you have fully ignored in your replies, is that your original post was based on no in depth reading of the book. You could barely have read the preface or conclusion, let alone skimmed through the content, before you commented. So where do you get the material for your opinion? You can't say another book is better or more in depth if you haven't read them both. Completely. Your opinion I will leave and Marc's I will take. That way I'll learn something.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol "Nagy, you have won the internets." - Keith Barrow
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I didn't compared the books. I just said my thoughts on the eBooks available in market. Just thought it would help some guys who are interested in digging up more and get to know more about unit testing in advanced level. If any one would have gone through The Art Of Unit Testing would come to know what I'm saying :) Thanks,
Ranjan.D
Ranjan.D wrote:
I didn't compared the books
Hmm,
Ranjan.D wrote:
It's really nice and it's good for beginner level. For more advanced book [...]
Nah, that's not a comparison is it?
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Keith Barrow wrote:
I mean an overview of how you actually went about writing the thing,
Well, I had a failed attempt through an actual book publisher years ago. While I had done an outline, what I realized in hindsight was that I hadn't done a sufficiently detailed outline to discover where my knowledge gaps were, and also failed to discover that some sections were completely without meaningful content - they sounded great as a bullet topic but there was nothing useful to say when it got to writing down the content. So, with this, I decided I would write the book by iterating deeper and deeper into the sections of the outline, slowly transforming the outline into actual text. So, I first started with a high level outline in which I quickly realized I had some gaping holes that needed to be plugged, upon which I discovered that the technology had advanced considerably since I had last written about it on CP. NUnit in particular is very slick now, with lots of useful stuff. I also had to filter out a lot of things I could have written about, as I was limited to about 100 pages. Iterating through the outline, I would use it as both a mental placeholder (write about "this" here) as well as creating a continually refined structure to my thoughts. As you can imagine, various sections got moved around as I discovered overlap, and some sections got deleted entirely and being useless. At some point, the bullet item outline started to become actual paragraphs of text, sort of like a tree leafing out - you have the trunk and all the branches, the text was the foliage, which, in full summer, actually obscures the structure of the tree. That was what the end result was. Thanks for asking! Marc
Thanks for that, I followed a similar strategy on my dissertation (the longest thing I have written). Must be a good feeling to get the book out there!
PB 369,783 wrote:
I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]
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Great job Marc! The best aspect is for you to provide this e-book for free! Off late I've fallen in love w/ unit tests :), and hope I will learn a lot of new things from this book! Keep up the good work!
Cheers, Karthik
Karthik. A wrote:
Off late I've fallen in love w/ unit tests
You should try a real girlfriend some time... ;P
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Hmm...I'd like to take a look, but I'm a little suspicious of a site that needs my phone number to let me download a file. :doh: (Never mind, they don't verify it so a fake number is fine.)
I've downloaded it, I can email it to you if you'd like! Just let me have your email address, credit card number and pin code, then it'll be right on it's way... ;P
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Anonymous
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Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience
Greg King
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I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!
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Mocking and Stubbing are the basics one has to understand while doing unit testing. Also it's not about the technology which is really important , it's all the concepts that's really required for one to understand about unit testing. The Art of Unit testing does not target the technology. They have covered the over all things which are really required for developers. I thought it would be better for other developers who want to know more and dig in to the advanced concepts and techniques of Unit Testing. Thanks,
Ranjan.D
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Karthik. A wrote:
Off late I've fallen in love w/ unit tests
You should try a real girlfriend some time... ;P
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience
Greg King
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I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!
Ron White, ComedianUnit Tests is the name of the attractive blonde three desks over from him.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
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Your message is garbled beyond belief, but I'll try and reply. If I want to find out something, I go to a source that I trust. Big word that, trust. Now, I know who Marc is and I trust him, so I will read his well priced book. If I then found something I wasn't sure about I would go elsewhere. However the point I and Pete made, and you have fully ignored in your replies, is that your original post was based on no in depth reading of the book. You could barely have read the preface or conclusion, let alone skimmed through the content, before you commented. So where do you get the material for your opinion? You can't say another book is better or more in depth if you haven't read them both. Completely. Your opinion I will leave and Marc's I will take. That way I'll learn something.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol "Nagy, you have won the internets." - Keith Barrow
I concur. I have read the "other book that shall not be named" and found it hard going in it's attempt to cover too much in too academic a style - and having been a professor of Computer Science for a while I know what academic style is all about. I have started reading Marc's book and find it refreshingly clear and obviously written by someone who actually does programming for living and isn't just interested in testing alone. My vote (post actual reading of both works) is that Marc's book is better for most people. I am now, and have been for over thirty years, a professional programmer. I have also been a professor and an author myself, so I have some claims to know a bit about it.
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Karthik. A wrote:
Off late I've fallen in love w/ unit tests
You should try a real girlfriend some time... ;P
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience
Greg King
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I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!
Ron White, Comedian -
Unit Tests is the name of the attractive blonde three desks over from him.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier -
Unit Tests is the name of the attractive blonde three desks over from him.
I was brought up to respect my elders. I don't respect many people nowadays.
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierLOL - as long as her name isn't Clamydia. :laugh: WTF: Reminds me of a song with Groucho Marx?!?!? :doh:
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience
Greg King
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I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!
Ron White, Comedian -
I concur. I have read the "other book that shall not be named" and found it hard going in it's attempt to cover too much in too academic a style - and having been a professor of Computer Science for a while I know what academic style is all about. I have started reading Marc's book and find it refreshingly clear and obviously written by someone who actually does programming for living and isn't just interested in testing alone. My vote (post actual reading of both works) is that Marc's book is better for most people. I am now, and have been for over thirty years, a professional programmer. I have also been a professor and an author myself, so I have some claims to know a bit about it.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
If I was half as good as Marc, I'd be very happy. In fact I'd be Ma Clif.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol "Nagy, you have won the internets." - Keith Barrow
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[toot toot] Woohoo! If you want a refreshing view of unit testing (would you expect anything else, hahaha) download Unit Testing Succinctly[^]. [/toot toot] Incidentally, I quite enjoyed working with SyncFusion - they paid decently for the book, did some great editing, and the entire experience was very pleasant. Marc
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[toot toot] Woohoo! If you want a refreshing view of unit testing (would you expect anything else, hahaha) download Unit Testing Succinctly[^]. [/toot toot] Incidentally, I quite enjoyed working with SyncFusion - they paid decently for the book, did some great editing, and the entire experience was very pleasant. Marc
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