Nokia Lumia 1020
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Still better of having a real camera, and it might have optical zoom.
Clifford Nelson wrote:
Still better of having a real camera, and it might have optical zoom.
Well, I'd assume anyone buying a phone like the 1020 would have a high-end SLR and a couple of primes.
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Hopefully not a re-post. But this phone will be available in the States after 7/26 ($299.99 with 2 year AT&T contract). http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/11/4513556/nokia-lumia-1020-release-date-specifications-features[^] Has a 41-megapixel camera! :~
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This is a case of bigger is not better. Who actually cares about the resolution of the camera? Very, very few people at this point because cameras in phones are good enough. And if you care that much about resolution you will use a real camera. In fact, the higher resolution now means that storage may become an issue. Further, by going overboard with the camera they've made the camera the focus (sorry) instead of the phone, the apps, the connectivity with the world. It's bulky and it won't sit flat, and I struggle to see this as a desirable (from a mass market point of view) item. Resolution isn't the killer app anymore. It's ISO and grain, and with the 1020 only going to 3200 (the same as the iPhonw 5) it's not enough of a differentiator. Image stabilisation obviously increases the effective ISO, but still, I'd rather they put the effort into ISO 12,800 or even 25K so that pics out at night look great, rather than have 41Mp of grain when you take your indoor pics.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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This is a case of bigger is not better. Who actually cares about the resolution of the camera? Very, very few people at this point because cameras in phones are good enough. And if you care that much about resolution you will use a real camera. In fact, the higher resolution now means that storage may become an issue. Further, by going overboard with the camera they've made the camera the focus (sorry) instead of the phone, the apps, the connectivity with the world. It's bulky and it won't sit flat, and I struggle to see this as a desirable (from a mass market point of view) item. Resolution isn't the killer app anymore. It's ISO and grain, and with the 1020 only going to 3200 (the same as the iPhonw 5) it's not enough of a differentiator. Image stabilisation obviously increases the effective ISO, but still, I'd rather they put the effort into ISO 12,800 or even 25K so that pics out at night look great, rather than have 41Mp of grain when you take your indoor pics.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
They down-size from 41mp to 5mp when creating the image. So each pixel is obtained from about 7 pixels. The idea is to have a higher quality lower-noise final image.
Regards, Nish
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Hopefully not a re-post. But this phone will be available in the States after 7/26 ($299.99 with 2 year AT&T contract). http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/11/4513556/nokia-lumia-1020-release-date-specifications-features[^] Has a 41-megapixel camera! :~
Regards, Nish
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An article I recently wrote for an event souvenir
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This is a case of bigger is not better. Who actually cares about the resolution of the camera? Very, very few people at this point because cameras in phones are good enough. And if you care that much about resolution you will use a real camera. In fact, the higher resolution now means that storage may become an issue. Further, by going overboard with the camera they've made the camera the focus (sorry) instead of the phone, the apps, the connectivity with the world. It's bulky and it won't sit flat, and I struggle to see this as a desirable (from a mass market point of view) item. Resolution isn't the killer app anymore. It's ISO and grain, and with the 1020 only going to 3200 (the same as the iPhonw 5) it's not enough of a differentiator. Image stabilisation obviously increases the effective ISO, but still, I'd rather they put the effort into ISO 12,800 or even 25K so that pics out at night look great, rather than have 41Mp of grain when you take your indoor pics.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Actually, although folks on this thread are right that you get better image quality because of oversampling, the bigger (and significant) advantage is that having higher resolution gives you the equivalent of optical zoom. A 3 megapixel camera with a 4x optical zoom captures the same pixels (actually fewer) of the target than the portion of the 41 megapixel Lumia 1020 picture over that target. Agreed that ISO is important. But the point here isn't so much that we can see things at an impossibly fine grained detail, but that, even after the fact, we can zoom in without seeing the pixels.
Tom Clement Serena Software, Inc. www.serena.com articles[^]
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Clifford Nelson wrote:
Still better of having a real camera, and it might have optical zoom.
Well, I'd assume anyone buying a phone like the 1020 would have a high-end SLR and a couple of primes.
Regards, Nish
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Probably. Looking for a smart phone now to replace my Samsung Rugby 2. Finally got text messaging. Bit behind the times I know. Back when I was getting spam, and they would not reverse the charges, so I blocked text messages.
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Same model or an Aussie specific one?
Regards, Nish
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Probably. Looking for a smart phone now to replace my Samsung Rugby 2. Finally got text messaging. Bit behind the times I know. Back when I was getting spam, and they would not reverse the charges, so I blocked text messages.
I never understood the text messaging craze. Harder to use than email, less accessible for sure. And providers charge extra for it.
Regards, Nish
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Actually, although folks on this thread are right that you get better image quality because of oversampling, the bigger (and significant) advantage is that having higher resolution gives you the equivalent of optical zoom. A 3 megapixel camera with a 4x optical zoom captures the same pixels (actually fewer) of the target than the portion of the 41 megapixel Lumia 1020 picture over that target. Agreed that ISO is important. But the point here isn't so much that we can see things at an impossibly fine grained detail, but that, even after the fact, we can zoom in without seeing the pixels.
Tom Clement Serena Software, Inc. www.serena.com articles[^]
ISO support vs ISO quality also matters. Even 800 ISO from a phone camera sensor can have more noise than 3200 ISO on an entry level DSLR.
Regards, Nish
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This is a case of bigger is not better. Who actually cares about the resolution of the camera? Very, very few people at this point because cameras in phones are good enough. And if you care that much about resolution you will use a real camera. In fact, the higher resolution now means that storage may become an issue. Further, by going overboard with the camera they've made the camera the focus (sorry) instead of the phone, the apps, the connectivity with the world. It's bulky and it won't sit flat, and I struggle to see this as a desirable (from a mass market point of view) item. Resolution isn't the killer app anymore. It's ISO and grain, and with the 1020 only going to 3200 (the same as the iPhonw 5) it's not enough of a differentiator. Image stabilisation obviously increases the effective ISO, but still, I'd rather they put the effort into ISO 12,800 or even 25K so that pics out at night look great, rather than have 41Mp of grain when you take your indoor pics.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris ... I initially thought the same thing when the Nokia 808 came out under Symbian with this camera on it. But a little research into that camera reveals that Nokia may be onto something. Quite simply from what I've seen, it takes stunning images for a phone. It can do a very effective "digital" zoom and by using their pixel 'binning' technique the images are like an effective 5 meg cam in size. i.e quite manageable. I feel Nokia are being quite innovative here and I really don't think the phone should be dismissed so easily. Yes perhaps a little bulky but it will mean I hopefully can have a reasonably high quality cam with me at all times rather than lugging around my Nikon D600 kit with it's array of lenses. The only pity (for me) is that it does not have a 1920 x 1080 screen or better nor a micro SD card slot but I can live without those. I'm taking my patience pills while I wait down here in Oz for the beast to turn up on our shelves and as you would know Chris, that can take far too long :sigh:
Peter Hayward Ngarkat Technologies South Australia,
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Same model or an Aussie specific one?
Regards, Nish
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I dunno if it's aussie specific. But like the slimmer aluminium look! Hopefully it can be as impressive as the galaxy S4!
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Chris ... I initially thought the same thing when the Nokia 808 came out under Symbian with this camera on it. But a little research into that camera reveals that Nokia may be onto something. Quite simply from what I've seen, it takes stunning images for a phone. It can do a very effective "digital" zoom and by using their pixel 'binning' technique the images are like an effective 5 meg cam in size. i.e quite manageable. I feel Nokia are being quite innovative here and I really don't think the phone should be dismissed so easily. Yes perhaps a little bulky but it will mean I hopefully can have a reasonably high quality cam with me at all times rather than lugging around my Nikon D600 kit with it's array of lenses. The only pity (for me) is that it does not have a 1920 x 1080 screen or better nor a micro SD card slot but I can live without those. I'm taking my patience pills while I wait down here in Oz for the beast to turn up on our shelves and as you would know Chris, that can take far too long :sigh:
Peter Hayward Ngarkat Technologies South Australia,
I'll admit that I was reading the article I saw on the 1020 while deploying some scary code so I was definitely distracted. 5Mp is definitely manageable, and fefectively having a digital zoom is definitely nice. However, until they can come up with a decent mathod of letting you adjust the f-stop to control the depth of field I'll stick to my D60 ;)
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Hopefully not a re-post. But this phone will be available in the States after 7/26 ($299.99 with 2 year AT&T contract). http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/11/4513556/nokia-lumia-1020-release-date-specifications-features[^] Has a 41-megapixel camera! :~
Regards, Nish
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An article I recently wrote for an event souvenir
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I never understood the text messaging craze. Harder to use than email, less accessible for sure. And providers charge extra for it.
Regards, Nish
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An article I recently wrote for an event souvenir
In India, call rates are cheaper than SMS. And now with 4G & chat Apps lining up, people hardly use SMS. The only time I use SMS is when I'm driving. I mean - " I am driving, I will call you later". The auto-call-reject thing. :)
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Hopefully not a re-post. But this phone will be available in the States after 7/26 ($299.99 with 2 year AT&T contract). http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/11/4513556/nokia-lumia-1020-release-date-specifications-features[^] Has a 41-megapixel camera! :~
Regards, Nish
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Whatever it could be. But if the shutter lag is more, I wouldn't look up for it. The mid-end Android phone I have now is pathetic with it's shutter lag. Though it takes real good snaps of still objects. If I have to capture something on burst mode, it leaves me with a pile of ghostly snaps. iphones impresses me on that. It's snapping images real fast. I haven't tried Nokia920 may be it's the right match for iphone on this department. Nokia 820 is poor - has more shutter lag. I guess My samsung omnia takes quicker than Nokia 820.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Hopefully not a re-post. But this phone will be available in the States after 7/26 ($299.99 with 2 year AT&T contract). http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/11/4513556/nokia-lumia-1020-release-date-specifications-features[^] Has a 41-megapixel camera! :~
Regards, Nish
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Recently I have purchased Samsung Galaxy Grand :( (I should have waited for Lumia :cool:) Now I'll try gifting this (Grand) to my wife :) and I'll buy Lumia. If she insists for Lumia then I'll sell it (Grand) on OLX and will buy Lumia FAMILY PACK ;)
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I never understood the text messaging craze. Harder to use than email, less accessible for sure. And providers charge extra for it.
Regards, Nish
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True, True, True, but it is convienient if you are not by a computer with internet.
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Hopefully not a re-post. But this phone will be available in the States after 7/26 ($299.99 with 2 year AT&T contract). http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/11/4513556/nokia-lumia-1020-release-date-specifications-features[^] Has a 41-megapixel camera! :~
Regards, Nish
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