Survey Request from a friend of mine... Women in Technology
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Hey Groovers... a friend of mine (Sonja Bernhardt OAM) is gathering some information relating to Women in IT - she has had extensive experience in this area etc etc... She has a survey running that she is after some contributions to... here's her request text and link. "Are you a Woman in Technology or used to be? Love IT/Hate IT? Ever been involved in an 'intervention project/program'? Do you have ideas about the future of women in technology? This is your invitation to respond to a quick 7 question poll." clickety[^] My comment - Thanks for your help if you feel that way inclined... feel free to repost to anyone you think might be interested!!
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[ironic]it´s the Money, dudes... :-\ [/ironic] as far as i´m concerned, as Long as you do not waste your time to insist about your sex, there are no Problems!! it´s important, how good/experienced you are, not whether you are wearing/using/owning bras tits or balls or anythuing else like that... just my x Cents... ;)
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[ironic]it´s the Money, dudes... :-\ [/ironic] as far as i´m concerned, as Long as you do not waste your time to insist about your sex, there are no Problems!! it´s important, how good/experienced you are, not whether you are wearing/using/owning bras tits or balls or anythuing else like that... just my x Cents... ;)
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Smoking... X| OTOH, if she's prepared to put those disgusting things in her mouth...
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I suggest you forward this response to your friend too - as an example of the kind of attitude that puts many women off going into technology.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
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Clodetta del Mar wrote:
owning tits or balls
I've got both :(
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
you are a really lucky man!!! dou you lease one of them? preferably the tits, but only, if they are "[placeholder]you know what i mean[placeholder/]" :-\ :-\
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Clodetta del Mar wrote:
owning tits or balls
I've got both :(
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
eehhm... :doh: :doh: had time to think about it... shouldn´t be so lucky as i initially thought?? :(
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you are a really lucky man!!! dou you lease one of them? preferably the tits, but only, if they are "[placeholder]you know what i mean[placeholder/]" :-\ :-\
I think you'll find hre has moobs[^] X|
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol "Nagy, you have won the internets." - Keith Barrow
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I think you'll find hre has moobs[^] X|
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol "Nagy, you have won the internets." - Keith Barrow
my gin ersatz tries to come out of the front of my head..... :~ X| :~
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I think you'll find hre has moobs[^] X|
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol "Nagy, you have won the internets." - Keith Barrow
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I think you'll find hre has moobs[^] X|
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol "Nagy, you have won the internets." - Keith Barrow
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Argonia wrote:
For example in my workplace i get the feeling that because i am a girl i don't understand a thing. I guess that the most girls in this field of work in their starting years feel the same.
This attitude is the same of DD jokes about women driving cars: ignore the b@st#rd§. That said, in my experience, women, usually, aren't passionate about computers like men. For instance, my wife, while very good at programming, is not a computer addict like I am. This is just a (personal) statistic argument of course.
Veni, vidi, vici.
CPallini wrote:
This attitude is the same of DD jokes about women driving cars: ignore the b@st#rd§.
and that is exactly what is wrong 'be a big girl, just ignore it' why do you suppose so many female programmers hide their gender on forums? Because if a man asks a question, it is answered, whereas if a woman asks the same identical question, jokes abound. FYI - the lounge is worse than the USAF in this respect. my 2 cents
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CPallini wrote:
This attitude is the same of DD jokes about women driving cars: ignore the b@st#rd§.
and that is exactly what is wrong 'be a big girl, just ignore it' why do you suppose so many female programmers hide their gender on forums? Because if a man asks a question, it is answered, whereas if a woman asks the same identical question, jokes abound. FYI - the lounge is worse than the USAF in this respect. my 2 cents
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I have few questions. First why aren't there any questions about the attitude the girls programmers get? For example in my workplace i get the feeling that because i am a girl i don't understand a thing. I guess that the most girls in this field of work in their starting years feel the same. Second about the interventions program. My understanding about an intervention is a group of ppl telling one of their close friends/ family about an annoying/dangerous habit of his, trying to "fix" him. Can you please explain about the intervention programs more specific.
Argonia wrote:
For example in my workplace i get the feeling that because i am a girl i don't understand a thing. I guess that the most girls in this field of work in their starting years feel the same.
And your perception would be that the boys just starting do in fact know everything? Or think they know everything? Or are thought to know everything? (One of those since it isn't clear to me which of those you are referring to with "girls".)
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CPallini wrote:
This attitude is the same of DD jokes about women driving cars: ignore the b@st#rd§.
and that is exactly what is wrong 'be a big girl, just ignore it' why do you suppose so many female programmers hide their gender on forums? Because if a man asks a question, it is answered, whereas if a woman asks the same identical question, jokes abound. FYI - the lounge is worse than the USAF in this respect. my 2 cents
p51dfltln wrote:
'be a big girl, just ignore it'
Sigh...how about because when someone makes an inappropriate comment to a male then the male should ignore it as well? Or do you propose that the male should instead punch the other person?
p51dfltln wrote:
Because if a man asks a question, it is answered, whereas if a woman asks the same identical question, jokes abound.
Utter nonsense. I have been doing this for a very long time and I have been on forums for a very long time. And there are many, many, many abusive responses to many, many, many posters. And presumably the vast majority of those are males. And I suspect that given the social ineptitude of the average male developer where most are heterosexual that on average they would be less likely to respond in a negative way to a female poster that they knew was female. But of course there are in fact people of all sorts who decide that a negative comment occurred because of 'X' when in fact no one including the respondent knew about 'X' in the first place. Where 'X' can be many things none of which has anything to do with the exchange of technical knowledge. There is one universal though in that when someone does start going off the deep end due to a perceived slight that they are in fact more likely to be received negatively at the time and in the future.
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I suggest you forward this response to your friend too - as an example of the kind of attitude that puts many women off going into technology.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
Rob Grainger wrote:
I suggest you forward this response to your friend too - as an example of the kind of attitude that puts many women off going into technology.
What? My dislike of smoking? You are a strange individual if you think that means anything about women in technology...
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I have few questions. First why aren't there any questions about the attitude the girls programmers get? For example in my workplace i get the feeling that because i am a girl i don't understand a thing. I guess that the most girls in this field of work in their starting years feel the same. Second about the interventions program. My understanding about an intervention is a group of ppl telling one of their close friends/ family about an annoying/dangerous habit of his, trying to "fix" him. Can you please explain about the intervention programs more specific.
There was room in the "Other" box for additional stuff, but I shall email your questions to Sonja.
Quad skating his way through the world since the early 80's... Booger Mobile - My bright green 1964 Ford Falcon - check out the blog here!! | If you feel generous - make a donation to Camp Quality!!
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I have few questions. First why aren't there any questions about the attitude the girls programmers get? For example in my workplace i get the feeling that because i am a girl i don't understand a thing. I guess that the most girls in this field of work in their starting years feel the same. Second about the interventions program. My understanding about an intervention is a group of ppl telling one of their close friends/ family about an annoying/dangerous habit of his, trying to "fix" him. Can you please explain about the intervention programs more specific.
I received a reply from Sonja... here it is (typos and all)!! --- Begin paste --- > First why aren't there any questions about the attitude the girls > programmers get? > For example in my workplace i get the feeling that because i am a girl i > don't understand a thing. I guess that the most girls in this field of > work in their starting years feel the same. The attitude issue is over researched and I have heaps of references and surveys on that this poll was to grab info on some bits missing in the other research:-) the topic will ABSOLUTELY be covered in my book. > > Second about the interventions program. > My understanding about an intervention is a group of ppl telling one of > their close friends/ family about an annoying/dangerous habit of his, > trying to "fix" him. Can you please explain about the intervention > programs more specific. Intervention Programs can include annoying people trying to tell/convince people stuff for sure:-) In this specific context though it is about those activities and projects thats pecifically aim to try to encourage more females to take up tehc studies and/or careers. The type of things where a IT company or industry group set up career days, people speaking at schools and uni's, provide coaching etc. feel free to post and INVITE anyone to email me directly with anything else they may like to contribute I am VERY KEENt o hear what role they feel social media will play in future encouraging people into tech or even if they think its a waste of time leave it all alone those women in IT are those who want to be so leave it alone dont try to push others…. --- End paste --- So there it is... if you want to email Sonja directly, you can send her an email at sonjab@thoughtware.com.au
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