You'd think they'd know better
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i´ll never understand why proselytizing/evangelism is the successor for any Religion... i thought it´s the idea behind that might be distinguishing... if one can call it like that but actually i have no idea...
Consider this. If you had discovered a remedy for death which meant anyone who took it and believed that trees are beautiful would live for an extra 100 years, wouldn't you find it reasonable to reward yourself for the number of people you persuaded to take your remedy and like trees? Consider if you persuaded a thousand people, extending all those lives, wouldn't that be a great excuse for a party or to give you a special badge? It all hinges on whether you believe you are helping people or not. If you believe you are then obviously the more people you help the better. If in reality you're not helping then no one 'outside' will be able to understand why you're excited about the number of people you persuaded to spend an hour staring at a tree. However if your belief system really does help people then many people will adopt variants of it they like better, modify it in a hundred ways and after a few years claim that it was their idea in the first place not yours, hence any really useful belief system will have more 'corrupted' versions of varying degrees than you can name.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Kill teachers and students who learn stuff[^] Yes, because if they know stuff they will be too clever to believe all that bollocks. However, my main rant is that they have changed a lot in the 40 odd years since "A Whiter Shade Of Pale".
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. CCC Link[^] Can you Help?
Lawrence Kohlberg identified six sequential steps through which a human's moral judgment can develop. The steps are strictly sequential. You cannot skip a step. The emphasis is on CAN DEVELOP. Most people get stuck around the middle levels. One can only wonder on what step people who kill innocent, unarmed humans in their sleep got stuck - Especially if your target is children?
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There are many things worth living for. There are a few things worth dying for. There are no things worth killing for. --Source lost in the mists of time
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Consider this. If you had discovered a remedy for death which meant anyone who took it and believed that trees are beautiful would live for an extra 100 years, wouldn't you find it reasonable to reward yourself for the number of people you persuaded to take your remedy and like trees? Consider if you persuaded a thousand people, extending all those lives, wouldn't that be a great excuse for a party or to give you a special badge? It all hinges on whether you believe you are helping people or not. If you believe you are then obviously the more people you help the better. If in reality you're not helping then no one 'outside' will be able to understand why you're excited about the number of people you persuaded to spend an hour staring at a tree. However if your belief system really does help people then many people will adopt variants of it they like better, modify it in a hundred ways and after a few years claim that it was their idea in the first place not yours, hence any really useful belief system will have more 'corrupted' versions of varying degrees than you can name.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
that´s really a good projection, i see it... and here we are: you Need to look at yourself rather than checking other´s habitants, isn´t it? but i guess, i Need to think a Moment or two about your Approach... :thumbsup:
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uncommented 5³+++ if only i could ;-) edit: u really are quoted: i hope it´s ok, when i´m considering to "t-shirt-print" that Statement :-\ ;-)
Glad you liked it! :-\
"State acheived after eating too many chocolate-covered coconut bars - bountiful" Chris C-B
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And as I said, stupid and intelligence are not necessarily opposites. Plenty of people with lots of intelligence are pretty dumb.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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And as I said, stupid and intelligence are not necessarily opposites. Plenty of people with lots of intelligence are pretty dumb.
I think you are mistaking the possession of knowledge (facts, figures, etc.) for intelligence. In as-much as a book may contain much knowledge, it does not possess the property of intelligence. Similarly, a person may not possess much knowledge, but may demonstrate great intelligence through their ability to apply their knowledge and acquire additional knowledge. If you educate a fool, you end up with an educated fool. :laugh:
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They're pretty much identical
What other religion today is preaching violence? From your statement you are claiming they all are, which is absurd.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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What other religion today is preaching violence?
Not exactly sure what you mean by "religion" but every major faith in the world has extremists who are willing to commit violence in the name of the religion. And there are certainly clergy in all of the major faiths who although they might not explicitly promote violence their words can certainly be taken to mean that violence is the answer.
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ryanb31 wrote:
What other religion today is preaching violence?
Not exactly sure what you mean by "religion" but every major faith in the world has extremists who are willing to commit violence in the name of the religion. And there are certainly clergy in all of the major faiths who although they might not explicitly promote violence their words can certainly be taken to mean that violence is the answer.
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but every major faith in the world has extremists who are willing to commit violence in the name of the religion
I'm sure there are some, but I would disagree that every one has extremists like that.
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are certainly clergy in all of the major faiths who although they might not explicitly promote violence their words can certainly be taken to mean that violence is the answer.
I also disagree with that. If by "major faith" you mean Christianity as a whole, then perhaps it is true. However, if you mean to include all Christian religions individually then I would disagree.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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but every major faith in the world has extremists who are willing to commit violence in the name of the religion
I'm sure there are some, but I would disagree that every one has extremists like that.
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are certainly clergy in all of the major faiths who although they might not explicitly promote violence their words can certainly be taken to mean that violence is the answer.
I also disagree with that. If by "major faith" you mean Christianity as a whole, then perhaps it is true. However, if you mean to include all Christian religions individually then I would disagree.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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but I would disagree that every one has extremists like that.
And which one do you think doesn't?
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However, if you mean to include all Christian religions individually then I would disagree.
Which major denomination did you have in mind which doesn't have a single hell and brimstone minister more than willing to denounce some part of their current culture in extreme terms?
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ryanb31 wrote:
but I would disagree that every one has extremists like that.
And which one do you think doesn't?
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However, if you mean to include all Christian religions individually then I would disagree.
Which major denomination did you have in mind which doesn't have a single hell and brimstone minister more than willing to denounce some part of their current culture in extreme terms?
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Most all.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Most all.
Wrong. Christian terrorists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism[^] Christian Violence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence[^] Muslim violence (and not in a Muslim country) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_anti-Israel_riots_in_Norway[^] Buddhism http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/world/asia/extremism-rises-among-myanmar-buddhists-wary-of-muslim-minority.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[^] Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror[^]
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ryanb31 wrote:
Most all.
Wrong. Christian terrorists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism[^] Christian Violence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence[^] Muslim violence (and not in a Muslim country) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_anti-Israel_riots_in_Norway[^] Buddhism http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/21/world/asia/extremism-rises-among-myanmar-buddhists-wary-of-muslim-minority.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[^] Hindu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffron_terror[^]
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A few examples does not make me wrong. That IS the whole point. There are a few examples.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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A few examples does not make me wrong. That IS the whole point. There are a few examples.
Yes it does. I suggest you re-read the thread. What I said was that every major religion has extremists. That statement doesn't claim that every member of the religion is an extremist but rather that there is at least one that acts in an extreme way. And what I said is in fact true. As the links point out. Even a "few examples" proves my point. And disproves your disagreement with me.
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A few examples does not make me wrong. That IS the whole point. There are a few examples.
Yes it does. I suggest you re-read the thread. What I said was that every major religion has extremists. That statement doesn't claim that every member of the religion is an extremist but rather that there is at least one that acts in an extreme way. And what I said is in fact true. As the links point out. Even a "few examples" proves my point. And disproves your disagreement with me.
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every major religion has extremists.
How man religions are there? So, see, a few examples does not back up your statement.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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ryanb31 wrote:
How man religions are there? So, see, a few examples does not back up your statement.
What part of "but every major faith in the world" did you not understand?
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I already asked you in an earlier message to clear up what you are meaning by faith. Potato potato. You're boring me now. :)
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I already asked you in an earlier message to clear up what you are meaning by faith.
I said "major faith" and where exactly did you ask that? And what exactly do you think "major faith" means?
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And what exactly do you think "major faith" means?
It means different things to different people which is why I asked, referenced above. For example, some people say Christianity is a faith or a religion. And it is. However, there are 1000s of Christian religions (Catholics, Mormons, Methodist, Baptist, etc, etc). It just depends on how the word is being used. So, again, if you are saying that there are only a handful of major religions, meaning all Christian ones rolled up into a single entity, then yes, I would agree that it has some nuts in it. But if you are referring to each of the individual Christian religions, for example, then no, I would disagree.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=4614573#xx4614573xx[^]
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And what exactly do you think "major faith" means?
It means different things to different people which is why I asked, referenced above. For example, some people say Christianity is a faith or a religion. And it is. However, there are 1000s of Christian religions (Catholics, Mormons, Methodist, Baptist, etc, etc). It just depends on how the word is being used. So, again, if you are saying that there are only a handful of major religions, meaning all Christian ones rolled up into a single entity, then yes, I would agree that it has some nuts in it. But if you are referring to each of the individual Christian religions, for example, then no, I would disagree.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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But if you are referring to each of the individual Christian religions, for example, then no, I would disagree.
Each of the major Christian denominations have extremists who have committed acts of violence in the name of god.