Visual Studio 2012 is damned ugly
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I use 2010 and 2012 nearly every day and can't say I even notice that stuff anymore. You just get used to it. They're just tools and I treat them as such. Keep them cleaned and polished and they'll do the job. :)
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mark merrens wrote:
Keep them cleaned and polished and they'll do the job.
You can't polish mud. And that's what the VS 2012 UI looks like to me. Marc
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Just got 2012 and it is just plain blah. Sort of like going back to black and white movies. Even the basic icons have gone downhill. Thought the old icon to comment was very obvious, the new one not so much. The UI depresses me, sort of like a very overcast day.
This was furiously discussed during beta over a year ago. It was brightened up a bit from the first version. Update 3 includes a VS 2010 colour theme which radically improves matters as far as I'm concerned. There is also a theme extension you can try. No official cure for the icons but there are one or two icon "patching" extensions around. May introduce stability problems though.
Kevin
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Just got 2012 and it is just plain blah. Sort of like going back to black and white movies. Even the basic icons have gone downhill. Thought the old icon to comment was very obvious, the new one not so much. The UI depresses me, sort of like a very overcast day.
Clifford Nelson wrote:
Sort of like going back to black and white movies.
Some of the best movies are black and white.
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I use 2010 and 2012 nearly every day and can't say I even notice that stuff anymore. You just get used to it. They're just tools and I treat them as such. Keep them cleaned and polished and they'll do the job. :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
mark merrens wrote:
They're just tools and I treat them as such.
Looks count, especially if they impact productivity - as VS 2012 does for some. Though I'm OK with it personally. (I still prefer VS 2010's UI but can tolerate VS 2012.)
Kevin
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mark merrens wrote:
Keep them cleaned and polished and they'll do the job.
You can't polish mud. And that's what the VS 2012 UI looks like to me. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
You can't polish mud.
You can, however, polish a tu... uh, something else[^].
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Clifford Nelson wrote:
Sort of like going back to black and white movies.
Some of the best movies are black and white.
This is the Will Ferrell[^] version of Citizen Kane.
Software Zen:
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Just got 2012 and it is just plain blah. Sort of like going back to black and white movies. Even the basic icons have gone downhill. Thought the old icon to comment was very obvious, the new one not so much. The UI depresses me, sort of like a very overcast day.
My main gripe with VS2012 is the fact that MS removed the option to create install projects (that output MSI files.) I personally like the new visual styles, particularly the dark UI option. It just works better (easier on the eyes) when your eyesight deteriorates to the point where you start wearing reading glasses. I also believe that the visual style is more in line with MS's own guidelines for productivity apps. Another consideration: VS2010 does not allow projects that depend on newer .net frameworks like 4.5. However, it may be possible to import the 4.5 capability into VS2010, but I never had any reason to check this out.
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mark merrens wrote:
They're just tools and I treat them as such.
Looks count, especially if they impact productivity - as VS 2012 does for some. Though I'm OK with it personally. (I still prefer VS 2010's UI but can tolerate VS 2012.)
Kevin
I agree: after a while you just don't notice - you're too busy being productive. :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
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mark merrens wrote:
Keep them cleaned and polished and they'll do the job.
You can't polish mud. And that's what the VS 2012 UI looks like to me. Marc
You're focusing on the wrong thing. Think of it like this: you have a 2010 hammer and a 2012 hammer. They both do the same job but one has an older handle that, right now, feels more comfortable in your hand. Well, it only go that way because you gave it a chance over the 2008 hammer. Well, in any case, for me it's just a tool I use as part of my job. I don't really care if it isn't shiny as long as it does that job (which it does).
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
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Just got 2012 and it is just plain blah. Sort of like going back to black and white movies. Even the basic icons have gone downhill. Thought the old icon to comment was very obvious, the new one not so much. The UI depresses me, sort of like a very overcast day.
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mark merrens wrote:
Keep them cleaned and polished and they'll do the job.
You can't polish mud. And that's what the VS 2012 UI looks like to me. Marc
Marc Clifton meant to write:
You can't polish mud turds. And that's what the VS 2012 UI looks like to me.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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Make sure to get the latest updates... they are now on update 3. I believe that update includes some changes in color/icons/layout (though I don't think I've installed it myself yet).
Yes I have the update. I guess it was really bad before.
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I use 2010 and 2012 nearly every day and can't say I even notice that stuff anymore. You just get used to it. They're just tools and I treat them as such. Keep them cleaned and polished and they'll do the job. :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
Guess a new paint job is out of the question. Like the color of my car, and I guess that is boring. It is a pearl white, which minimizes heat buildup and is easy for other cars to see, so may have saved me an accident.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
You can't polish mud.
You can, however, polish a tu... uh, something else[^].
Actually the show starts up with polishing mud. Even when polished, mud still has an ugly color.
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You're focusing on the wrong thing. Think of it like this: you have a 2010 hammer and a 2012 hammer. They both do the same job but one has an older handle that, right now, feels more comfortable in your hand. Well, it only go that way because you gave it a chance over the 2008 hammer. Well, in any case, for me it's just a tool I use as part of my job. I don't really care if it isn't shiny as long as it does that job (which it does).
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
Still it does not help if the UI is depressing. Much better to be out running on a nice sunny day than on a overcast day.
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Clifford Nelson wrote:
Sort of like going back to black and white movies.
Some of the best movies are black and white.
There are many great b&w movies, and there are movies that would not be the same in color. Still a lot of the old classics have been colorized, and I think it did make the movies better. Many do not approve, however.
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My main gripe with VS2012 is the fact that MS removed the option to create install projects (that output MSI files.) I personally like the new visual styles, particularly the dark UI option. It just works better (easier on the eyes) when your eyesight deteriorates to the point where you start wearing reading glasses. I also believe that the visual style is more in line with MS's own guidelines for productivity apps. Another consideration: VS2010 does not allow projects that depend on newer .net frameworks like 4.5. However, it may be possible to import the 4.5 capability into VS2010, but I never had any reason to check this out.
The lack of use of color is bad since color is a great discriminator. Of course if you change themes, then color can be a problem since some icons will sort of disappear. I know that the old VS icon would be difficult to see in the start menu on one of my computers. Oh yes, I use the white theme, and UI tests indicate that it is better. My company actually had a study the came back and told them to use white theme. They resisted, but white keeps creaping back.
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My main gripe with VS2012 is the fact that MS removed the option to create install projects (that output MSI files.) I personally like the new visual styles, particularly the dark UI option. It just works better (easier on the eyes) when your eyesight deteriorates to the point where you start wearing reading glasses. I also believe that the visual style is more in line with MS's own guidelines for productivity apps. Another consideration: VS2010 does not allow projects that depend on newer .net frameworks like 4.5. However, it may be possible to import the 4.5 capability into VS2010, but I never had any reason to check this out.
Cornelius Henning wrote:
I personally like the new visual styles, particularly the dark UI option. It just works better (easier on the eyes)
It's the opposite for me, but many like it, which is why it's there.
Kevin
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Yes, this was released pretty much simultaneously with VS 2012.
Kevin
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mark merrens wrote:
Keep them cleaned and polished and they'll do the job.
You can't polish mud. And that's what the VS 2012 UI looks like to me. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
You can't polish mud. And that's what the VS 2012 UI looks like to me.
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