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Some People Shouldn't Be Allowed to Use a Computer

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  • L Lost User

    That really annoys me. Just send me the image, that way I can make it big enough to read, and if you could learn to crop... A screen shot of two large, widescreen monitors reduced to the size of a portrait word doc is impossible to read.

    “I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks

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    Sentenryu
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    I'll let you know that yesterday i received a print on a e-mail that showed paint with a print of paint showing a print of paint showing 1/4 of the systems screen, not the 1/4 that had the error in it. you're luck if you just receive a doc with a print inside.

    I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p) "Given the chance I'd rather work smart than work hard." - PHS241 "'Sophisticated platform' typically means 'I have no idea how it works.'"

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    • L lewax00

      We just received an email, with an attached PDF, containing a black & white scan, of a printout, of a screenshot of an error message that was in a copyable text box. W. T. E. :doh: :confused:

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      BruceMIII
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      Most of my users at least know to use a PrtScn. It's real annoying for those who have dual monitors. Many seem to have difficulty with the Alt-PrtScn. I also have a copyable error message that has not yet been used. But I have another avenue that works most of the time. I log the error in a database.

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      • S Stefan_Lang

        Video sounds cool. As long as they don't try to print it that is ;)

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        Gary Wheeler
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        Actually, on our[^] equipment, you could print it faster than you could play it :cool: since we can print around 17 feet of paper per second.

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        • L lewax00

          We just received an email, with an attached PDF, containing a black & white scan, of a printout, of a screenshot of an error message that was in a copyable text box. W. T. E. :doh: :confused:

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          Donkey Master
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          The first idea that comes to mind is that it went through many different people in different services. It's not that any individual was retarded beyond all hope, it's that it got passed around between many people, for different distances. One of the intermediaries has a problem with Outlook so they can't open e-mails at the moment. Therefore, the most straightforward way to show them something is to print it out. Then they forward it to someone else who can't be arsed to walk to the other building 2 miles away so they scan it and send it. If the original user wasn't aware that the text box was copyable, he immediately thought of making a screenshot. Or maybe he had prepared his screen so that it was a fullscreen screenshot with useful context, but someone in the middle decided to do you a service a cropped the image. I can totally imagine that error report going through a Rube-Goldberg-worthy adventure into your inbox. Tell me, how many people were involved in the routing of that error report?

          "Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." - Edsger Dijkstra

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          • L lewax00

            We just received an email, with an attached PDF, containing a black & white scan, of a printout, of a screenshot of an error message that was in a copyable text box. W. T. E. :doh: :confused:

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            DrewCopenhaver
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            Yeaaaaah... we're a satellite ISP and have definitely received network diagrams drawn (literally) with crayons before.

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            • R r_hyde

              I've had tickets like that before. I had one where someone took a screenshot, then pasted it into Word, then (mystifyingly) took a screenshot of Word and attached that to the ticket. By that point, the original screenshot was shrunk to the point of uselessness. One wonders the thought process behind something like that.

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              CBWoodsr
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              1st assumption....thought process

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              • D DrewCopenhaver

                Yeaaaaah... we're a satellite ISP and have definitely received network diagrams drawn (literally) with crayons before.

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                lewax00
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                I worked at a satellite ISP for a summer, but all our network diagrams were given in dry erase marker.

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                • D Donkey Master

                  The first idea that comes to mind is that it went through many different people in different services. It's not that any individual was retarded beyond all hope, it's that it got passed around between many people, for different distances. One of the intermediaries has a problem with Outlook so they can't open e-mails at the moment. Therefore, the most straightforward way to show them something is to print it out. Then they forward it to someone else who can't be arsed to walk to the other building 2 miles away so they scan it and send it. If the original user wasn't aware that the text box was copyable, he immediately thought of making a screenshot. Or maybe he had prepared his screen so that it was a fullscreen screenshot with useful context, but someone in the middle decided to do you a service a cropped the image. I can totally imagine that error report going through a Rube-Goldberg-worthy adventure into your inbox. Tell me, how many people were involved in the routing of that error report?

                  "Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes." - Edsger Dijkstra

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                  lewax00
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                  Donkey Master wrote:

                  Tell me, how many people were involved in the routing of that error report?

                  To my knowledge, just 2: the customer and the support person who forwarded the email to us. However, there is generally a person at each customer site who acts as a point of contact with us, so passing through at least 2 people on that end isn't impossible. It would be interesting to know if your hypothesis is correct though, it does make a lot more sense.

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                  • B BruceMIII

                    Most of my users at least know to use a PrtScn. It's real annoying for those who have dual monitors. Many seem to have difficulty with the Alt-PrtScn. I also have a copyable error message that has not yet been used. But I have another avenue that works most of the time. I log the error in a database.

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                    lewax00
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                    BruceMIII wrote:

                    But I have another avenue that works most of the time. I log the error in a database.

                    Our main application does that. It's harder for a web application if it's having difficulty communicating with the server though. ;P (Not to say it couldn't use a little more robust solution for logging however.)

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                    • Y YvesDaoust

                      Teach them that the PDF can be OCR'ed :)

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                      lewax00
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                      They probably know that already, our software includes an OCR component ;P

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                      • L lewax00

                        I worked at a satellite ISP for a summer, but all our network diagrams were given in dry erase marker.

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                        DrewCopenhaver
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                        Most of them aren't that bad, but there are definitely some customers who are trying to set up their own and are unwilling to pay a technical person to do it properly form them. :laugh:

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                          Most of them aren't that bad, but there are definitely some customers who are trying to set up their own and are unwilling to pay a technical person to do it properly form them. :laugh:

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                          lewax00
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                          Oh you meant home networks, I was thinking internal network diagrams. Luckily, I worked on internal tools there, never had to deal with those. :laugh:

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                          • L lewax00

                            Oh you meant home networks, I was thinking internal network diagrams. Luckily, I worked on internal tools there, never had to deal with those. :laugh:

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                            DrewCopenhaver
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                            Actually, no. We're high-grade, business-only interwebs. And we still get crayon drawings!

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                            • L lewax00

                              We just received an email, with an attached PDF, containing a black & white scan, of a printout, of a screenshot of an error message that was in a copyable text box. W. T. E. :doh: :confused:

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                              RafagaX
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                              Given that it passed for at least 2 hands, most likely, the user took the screenshot and printed it, then sent (or gave) it to the the technician who had no choice but scan it and send it to you as PDF, at least that's the scenario that makes more sense...

                              CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...

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                              • L lewax00

                                We just received an email, with an attached PDF, containing a black & white scan, of a printout, of a screenshot of an error message that was in a copyable text box. W. T. E. :doh: :confused:

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                                Ian Fitzgerald
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                                We asked a user to show us a log file once. Instead of getting a txt log file, we got a screenshot of Windows Explorer showing the file. :laugh: So close and yet so far.

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                                • Z ZurdoDev

                                  Wait a second. So, reverse engineering the process you are saying that they 0. Took a screenshot 1. Printed it. 2. Scanned it to pdf as black and white 3. Then emailed it to you. Look on the bright side, at least they sent it as a pdf instead of a .tiff. :)

                                  There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                  patbob
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                                  Or maybe.. they: 0. Took screenshot 1. printed it 2. used printer to scan it to a pdf and email it Perhaps they can't figure out how to paste a screen shot into email.. or perhaps the printer can send email to you but they are not allowed to? I've seen crazier things, like sending a laptop back, sans disk, for an application SW upgrade that we had to do at the factory. Sounds crazy, but it was the only way.

                                  We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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                                  • D DrewCopenhaver

                                    Actually, no. We're high-grade, business-only interwebs. And we still get crayon drawings!

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                                    lewax00
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                                    I guess my question now is...why do they have crayons to begin with?

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                                    • L lewax00

                                      I guess my question now is...why do they have crayons to begin with?

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                                      DrewCopenhaver
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                                      Now that is a question I would love to have an answer to!

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                                      • G Gary Wheeler

                                        Actually, on our[^] equipment, you could print it faster than you could play it :cool: since we can print around 17 feet of paper per second.

                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                        OffCenter
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                                        >we can print around 17 feet of paper per second.< Hmmm... How many trees per hour does that convert to? ;P

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                                        • I Ian Fitzgerald

                                          We asked a user to show us a log file once. Instead of getting a txt log file, we got a screenshot of Windows Explorer showing the file. :laugh: So close and yet so far.

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                                          lewax00
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                                          I just got a screenshot of a log file opened in Notepad. At least we can read some of it... :doh:

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