I dislike AV vendors intensely and particularly McAfee
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<Rant> I've owned this laptop since about October / November last year. McAfee was preinstalled and promptly got uninstalled when it arrived to be replaced by Norton since I have a subscription and it seems to have worked well for 2 or 3 years now. Much head scratching and frustration has finally allowed me to work out why the Offline Article Editor For CodeProject[^] would not work for me : McAfee (remember it's been uninstalled for 9-10 months) was preventing Java running in IE. The McAfee Consumer Product Removal tool (MCPR) was required to get things back to normal. Sony: Entirely unacceptable to preinstall software that won't properly uninstall and will cause significant unwelcome behaviour issues if you do uninstall it. McAfee: Entirely unacceptable to develop such useless nonsense. </Rant>
Most AV vendors are notoriously poor at uninstallers, McAfee and Symantec/Norton in particular. We use McAfee at work, where it's raped onto our build servers via group policy. The primary machine handles it okay, so we leave it on. The spare machine, which runs Windows 2008 Server, does not. McAfee reduces build speeds by a factor of 4 or 5. We finally booted to safe mode, removed McAfee, and set an access control list on the folders it was using to prevent it from coming back.
Software Zen:
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<Rant> I've owned this laptop since about October / November last year. McAfee was preinstalled and promptly got uninstalled when it arrived to be replaced by Norton since I have a subscription and it seems to have worked well for 2 or 3 years now. Much head scratching and frustration has finally allowed me to work out why the Offline Article Editor For CodeProject[^] would not work for me : McAfee (remember it's been uninstalled for 9-10 months) was preventing Java running in IE. The McAfee Consumer Product Removal tool (MCPR) was required to get things back to normal. Sony: Entirely unacceptable to preinstall software that won't properly uninstall and will cause significant unwelcome behaviour issues if you do uninstall it. McAfee: Entirely unacceptable to develop such useless nonsense. </Rant>
You wait till you try and get Norton (Symantec) off it - that's even worse than McAfee... And there are full instructions on YouTube showing how to remove McAfee, from the man himself: YouTube, probably SFW[^]
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You wait till you try and get Norton (Symantec) off it - that's even worse than McAfee... And there are full instructions on YouTube showing how to remove McAfee, from the man himself: YouTube, probably SFW[^]
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Sometimes even burning down the computer does not entirely remove Symantec's leechlike software :sigh:
It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!
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Sometimes even burning down the computer does not entirely remove Symantec's leechlike software :sigh:
It is a paradox that paradoxes would actually exist in reality. That means of course that they don't exist. However, they do!
∫(Edo)dx = Tzumer ∑k(this.Kid)k = this.♥
Not only do they have regular services,and auto start programs they have a driver(s) tucked away in the non plug and play section of device manager. Kaspersky labs was nice enough to have a list of removal tools for other venders. http://support2.kaspersky.com/us/consumer/tools-utilities.aspx#[^] Hmm wonder where theirs is. :)
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<Rant> I've owned this laptop since about October / November last year. McAfee was preinstalled and promptly got uninstalled when it arrived to be replaced by Norton since I have a subscription and it seems to have worked well for 2 or 3 years now. Much head scratching and frustration has finally allowed me to work out why the Offline Article Editor For CodeProject[^] would not work for me : McAfee (remember it's been uninstalled for 9-10 months) was preventing Java running in IE. The McAfee Consumer Product Removal tool (MCPR) was required to get things back to normal. Sony: Entirely unacceptable to preinstall software that won't properly uninstall and will cause significant unwelcome behaviour issues if you do uninstall it. McAfee: Entirely unacceptable to develop such useless nonsense. </Rant>
Disabling Java? I don't see any merit in doing that.
Beauty cannot be defined by abscissas and ordinates; neither are circles and ellipses created by their geometrical formulas. Carl von Clausewitz Source
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<Rant> I've owned this laptop since about October / November last year. McAfee was preinstalled and promptly got uninstalled when it arrived to be replaced by Norton since I have a subscription and it seems to have worked well for 2 or 3 years now. Much head scratching and frustration has finally allowed me to work out why the Offline Article Editor For CodeProject[^] would not work for me : McAfee (remember it's been uninstalled for 9-10 months) was preventing Java running in IE. The McAfee Consumer Product Removal tool (MCPR) was required to get things back to normal. Sony: Entirely unacceptable to preinstall software that won't properly uninstall and will cause significant unwelcome behaviour issues if you do uninstall it. McAfee: Entirely unacceptable to develop such useless nonsense. </Rant>
I'm starting to think I'm the only one who follows correct procedure of formatting the hard drive and installing the OS and drivers from scratch, then there is no problems such as this.
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You wait till you try and get Norton (Symantec) off it - that's even worse than McAfee... And there are full instructions on YouTube showing how to remove McAfee, from the man himself: YouTube, probably SFW[^]
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OriginalGriff wrote:
You wait till you try and get Norton (Symantec) off it - that's even worse than McAfee...
I have no doubt you are correct, but at least then it will have been my choices that got me there rather than an assembly of dim half witts at Sony and McAfee...
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I'm starting to think I'm the only one who follows correct procedure of formatting the hard drive and installing the OS and drivers from scratch, then there is no problems such as this.
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:) That gets done about once a year, but if the OS re-install is the one Sony provided at build time (since almost no-one provides the raw OS these days) then doing so will just re-install McAfee...
Just grab one of the legitimate ISO's from Microsoft, burn to disc and boot. Use license key from previous install/sticker/
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Just grab one of the legitimate ISO's from Microsoft, burn to disc and boot. Use license key from previous install/sticker/
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\As far as I can tell a Win 8 Pro x64 ISO is pretty hard to come by from MS. I certainly haven't found any way of downloading it without a TechNet subscription (which I don't have). Couple that with various uncertainties as to whether the product key is embedded on the MB or if I should have it (there is no sticker anywhere or in the docs that I was sent) and I suspect I'm on a hiding to nothing. Win 8 style Factory Reset appears to be the only option. Just wish they hadn't marked the graphics card as unique to Sony, since thereby I'm not allowed to install the latest Catalyst drivers, I have to wait for Sony to update their bespoke version - which will be never... M
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I'm starting to think I'm the only one who follows correct procedure of formatting the hard drive and installing the OS and drivers from scratch, then there is no problems such as this.
.-. |o,o| ,| \_\\=/\_ .-""-. ||/\_/\_\\\_\\ /\[\] \_ \_\\ |\_/|(\_)|\\\\ \_|\_o\_LII|\_ \\.\_./// / | ==== | \\ |\\\_/|"\` |\_| ==== |\_| |\_|\_| ||" || || |-|-| ||LI o || |\_|\_| ||'----'|| /\_/ \\\_\\ /\_\_| |\_\_\\No, you're not alone there. I normally ensure I buy a PC with a clean hard disk and installation disks - avoids all this kind of nonsense.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
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<Rant> I've owned this laptop since about October / November last year. McAfee was preinstalled and promptly got uninstalled when it arrived to be replaced by Norton since I have a subscription and it seems to have worked well for 2 or 3 years now. Much head scratching and frustration has finally allowed me to work out why the Offline Article Editor For CodeProject[^] would not work for me : McAfee (remember it's been uninstalled for 9-10 months) was preventing Java running in IE. The McAfee Consumer Product Removal tool (MCPR) was required to get things back to normal. Sony: Entirely unacceptable to preinstall software that won't properly uninstall and will cause significant unwelcome behaviour issues if you do uninstall it. McAfee: Entirely unacceptable to develop such useless nonsense. </Rant>
While Symantec is hard to get off as well, at least it finds threats. I used to use McAfee until around 2008, when one of my kids accidentally downloaded a computer virus. I was debating whether to switch or not and tested alternatives. Almost all of them, EXCEPT McAfee, discovered the virus, which put an end to dealing with them. (I believe I settled on AVG, but it quickly became extremely annoying and then abruptly stopped updating itself while displaying pop-ups constantly, freaking out my family.)
