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  • R Ravi Bhavnani

    PB 369,783 wrote:

    Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English,

    Grammatical errors like this literally make my blood boil. /ravi

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    Lost User
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    faarrrkkkk off! :-D

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    • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

      Grammar and vocabularies are snapshots in time. The human language does not evolve from committee. If it did, we would all still be using those silly British spellings for words.

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      Yes I agree with the language evolving, what I don't agree with is a word that is now ambiguous when it's sole purpose is to clear up ambiguity. If I was actually pulling my hair out I would say 'I'm literally pulling my hair out', now however that sentence doesn't tell you whether I am or not.

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      • L Lost User

        Seems the usage has evolved from proper usage when exaggerating into improper usage when exaggerating. Proper usage (IMO) when exaggerating is to include some form of the word "think". For example (using your examples), 'This literally made my blood boil" came from "I literally thought it was going to make my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling" came from "I literally thought I would climb the ceiling". These are acceptable because the literal is on the thought. Sure you may have literally "thought" it. Now did you really think that? Doubt it. Seems like you are exaggerating your perception at the time. Then we account for the massive amounts of stupid people in the world and they just drop key parts to the phrase. Sometimes I literally think I am the only one that sees these patterns in the world. (Oh no... did I just start a new one?)

        Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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        Good synopsis. :thumbsup:

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        • L Lost User

          Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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          kalberts
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          We have had exactly the same trend in Norwegian. It is not an import from English: The words are quite different - "literally" = "bokstavlig talt" (literally: spoken letter by letter). "Bokstavlig talt" has taken the meaning of "almost". I guess we just have to accept that language evolves. Are there anyone else around remembering when the Internet was definitely NOT an internet? An internet is (or rather: was) a network for interconnecting a heterogenous set of networks, employing dissimilar network protocols (or at least disjunct addressing schemes, like separate X.25 networks internetted through X.75). At the next Networking Department cocktail party, try quoting RFC791 on this, to support that the original intention of Internet IP was exactly that, to interconnect dissimilar networks. Not to serve as an end to end protocol. Either you will be thrown out immediately, or you will spend the rest of the night in a heated debate where everybody else fiercely oppose you, no matter which RFC791 quotes you present.

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          • L Lost User

            Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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            Fabio Franco
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            I feel you... literally, the good thing is that in portuguese literally still means literally, but I literally have seen some cases where it is literally not literally.

            To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia

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            • L Lost User

              Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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              Slow Eddie
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              Please look up "Hyperbole" in the dictionary. This should solve the issue for you. P.S. Get a life. ;P

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              • S Sentenryu

                Tom Clement wrote:

                "Virtually unstoppable" = "Not unstoppable"

                That only means it can be overridden to be stoppable.

                I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p) "Given the chance I'd rather work smart than work hard." - PHS241 "'Sophisticated platform' typically means 'I have no idea how it works.'"

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                Jecc
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                This seems on topic... Your signature should read:

                I'm brazilian and eEnglish (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by for my eEnglish. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

                Your nationality should probably start with a capital too (ie "Brazilian"), but if you ask me it's a common noun so it makes sense to start with a lowercase letter. "English" as in "The English Language" is a proper noun though, and capitalizing the word would also help parse the sentence. Disclaimer: I'm not a native English speaker either. Also, if your signature is tongue-in-cheek then it's all right.

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                • L Lost User

                  Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                  GenJerDan
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                  The current thought in education is that literacy is no longer needed. So, basically, it doesn't matter what they put in the dictionary because people won't be able to read it soon.

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                  • L Lost User

                    Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                    PhilLenoir
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                    Language is always evolving, just as the linked article points out. This use of the word goes back centuries. Getting hung up over changes in language isn't going to stop it and dictionaries always report common usage. Modern media (even TV) have accelerated the changes ("gay", "wicked", ...) I'll join you in a rearguard action to protect our language, but we "literally" lost this one many years ago! I save my rants for such horrors as aberrant apostrophes, your versus you're (or worse, there/their/they're) and loose versus lose! :)

                    Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

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                    • L Lost User

                      Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                      B Clay Shannon
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                      I agree totally; it's probably the biggest irritant of any, when it comes to diction. However, another is when people spell "too" as "to."

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                      • L Lost User

                        So if I say 'I'm literally pulling my hair out' How do you know if I'm actually pulling my hair out or not? It introduces ambiguity to a word that's sole purpose is to remove ambiguity.

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                        lewax00
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                        I'd think that's still a case of exaggeration, I've never known anyone to literally pull their hair out. That's what makes it clear - context. And of course other things like tone that may not come across well in writing.

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                        • L Lost User

                          Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                          AspDotNetDev
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                          I literarily agree.

                          Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                          • B B Clay Shannon

                            I agree totally; it's probably the biggest irritant of any, when it comes to diction. However, another is when people spell "too" as "to."

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                            Member 9040137 wrote:

                            another is when people spell "too" as "to."

                            This can be easily done, and doesn't necessarily mean the perpetrator doesn't understand the difference between the two, so I am more willing to ignore.

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                            • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                              Clearly, here "Virtually" = "Almost". Which in context also means practically or actually.

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                              Fred McGalliard
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                              Brilliant! So virtually indistructable means literally almost indistructable. I love English. But it does suffer as a means of communication. On the other hand, what fun is it if there isn't enough ambiguity to play with?? The French go to great extreemes to keep their language pure, but I do not think that appropriate. But at it's core - all communication worth having is art and thus must be beautiful, whimsical, inventive, sometimes informitave, and yes - ambiguous in measure.

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                              • L lewax00

                                I'd think that's still a case of exaggeration, I've never known anyone to literally pull their hair out. That's what makes it clear - context. And of course other things like tone that may not come across well in writing.

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                                TNCaver
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                                Not to mention saying 'I'm figuratively pulling my hair out' just doesn't carry the same punch and drama to match the mental image of 'pulling my hair out'.

                                If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.

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                                • L Lost User

                                  Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                                  Begging the Question is often used when Raising the Question is correct Begging the Question is a logical fallacy which results from circular logic

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                                  • R Roger Wright

                                    I used to get excited about such blatant corruption, but now that the number of people too lazy or ignorant to use their own native language correctly far exceeds the number of us who care, it hardly seems worth the effort. Let them drown in their stupidity... :|

                                    Will Rogers never met me.

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                                    Newspeak and Marching Morons all rolled into one. It'd be hilariously funny if it weren't so sad.

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                                    • L lewax00

                                      I'd think that's still a case of exaggeration, I've never known anyone to literally pull their hair out. That's what makes it clear - context. And of course other things like tone that may not come across well in writing.

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                                      Ralph Little
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                                      Nah, if anyone said they had "literally pulled their hair out" I would assume they meant that they had physical wrenched the hair from the follicles. Otherwise, what's the point of the word? But then there are a number of other words used inappropriately to apply stress to a point. For example, "absolutely", "incredibly", "awesome". I do think that the language is losing a lot of its richness because of the lack of imagination of the utterers. Oh, and I would ban the word "like" when used as a substitute for breathing.

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                                      • N NickPace

                                        PB 369,783 wrote:

                                        particularly gets on my tits

                                        Really? And your complaining about "literally"?

                                        -NP Never underestimate the creativity of the end-user.

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                                        Ralph Little
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                                        You're ... oh I get it, you're being ironic. :D

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                                          I'm surprised that no one has brought it up already so I'll play the role of the pedantic grammar Nazi: >>Now I don't normally get to pedantic...<< should be >>Now I don't normally get too pedantic...<< Now that I've gotten that off of my two tits I'll get back to the point, and say that I, too, find it offensive that "literally" is being used figuratively.

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